[ls1ssws6]

i have wanted a dog for a while now but im not allowed to get one until i move out...i have always wanted a pit bull but i was looking at a dog show on animal planet last night and saw a somoyed and fell in love.....a few questions...

would a pitt bull and a samoyed be ok together if brought in at the same time?
are samoyeds easy to train and do they shed a lot (i have heard different things)?

thanks in advance guys

[Dogstar]

I wouldn't bring in two dogs of ANY breed at the same time- it's hard enough to get one dog trained a a time, let alone two. Sammies shed a LOT, and while they're trainable, they take a creative owner who can deal with a sled-dog mentality and herding dog smarts... :P

[ls1ssws6]

Originally Posted by Dogstar

I wouldn't bring in two dogs of ANY breed at the same time- it's hard enough to get one dog trained a a time, let alone two. Sammies shed a LOT, and while they're trainable, they take a creative owner who can deal with a sled-dog mentality and herding dog smarts... :P

so even brought in at the same time is a no no? what type of herding dog smarts do you mean? i am fairly new to the dog thing so i would obviously do a lot of research but just gettin your guys oppinion too.....the shedding thing one website said they shed "white balls" but not so much hair if that makes any sence?

[Dogstar]

LOL no, they shed TUMBLEWEEDS of white hair is what they meant. They shed a WHOLE lot. They're fantastic if you're a handspinner that wants the fiber. :P

Yes, even brought in at the same time as adults. Get one of your two dogs, get them established and settled in (I'd say MINIMUM of 3 months, 18 months would be the minimum if we're talkign puppies), and get the second dog then. Chosing a dog of the opposite sex would be your best bet- I'd pick a pit that was an adult (over 2), from rescue, KNOWN not to be dog aggressive, in whichever order. If you had to have a pit puppy, I'd get the samoyed first, wait till they were two or three, and then add a pit puppy.

Samoyeds are smart dogs- very smart. They're good problem solvers, and they like to work with people. However, like most of the draft dogs (they were draft dogs as well as herders), they can be a bit creative when it comes to reasons for doing things. You have to make it worth their while- not bribery, but you've got to be creative to motivate the dog to WANT to work, and consistant enough to enforce the rules. This doesn't mean being rough or 'alpha' in the currently trendy sense- most of the northern breeds don't respond particualrly well to that- it means being CONSISTANT and enforcing the rules.

What I would recommend for a new dog owner, is to get an adult of either breed from breed rescue. Spend two years learning. Even a newbie dog owner can have a well behaved dog of either breed, but may have a tougher time with the samoyed if you expect to do any 'advanced' training like competitive obedience or agility (which requires off-leash obedience). After you've got that dog WELL trained and very well-established in the household, add the second- make the decision for puppy/adult then- you may even find that the breed doesn't really suit you after all.

[ls1ssws6]

Originally Posted by Dogstar

LOL no, they shed TUMBLEWEEDS of white hair is what they meant. They shed a WHOLE lot. They're fantastic if you're a handspinner that wants the fiber. :P

Yes, even brought in at the same time as adults. Get one of your two dogs, get them established and settled in (I'd say MINIMUM of 3 months, 18 months would be the minimum if we're talkign puppies), and get the second dog then. Chosing a dog of the opposite sex would be your best bet- I'd pick a pit that was an adult (over 2), from rescue, KNOWN not to be dog aggressive, in whichever order. If you had to have a pit puppy, I'd get the samoyed first, wait till they were two or three, and then add a pit puppy.

Samoyeds are smart dogs- very smart. They're good problem solvers, and they like to work with people. However, like most of the draft dogs (they were draft dogs as well as herders), they can be a bit creative when it comes to reasons for doing things. You have to make it worth their while- not bribery, but you've got to be creative to motivate the dog to WANT to work, and consistant enough to enforce the rules. This doesn't mean being rough or 'alpha' in the currently trendy sense- most of the northern breeds don't respond particualrly well to that- it means being CONSISTANT and enforcing the rules.

What I would recommend for a new dog owner, is to get an adult of either breed from breed rescue. Spend two years learning. Even a newbie dog owner can have a well behaved dog of either breed, but may have a tougher time with the samoyed if you expect to do any 'advanced' training like competitive obedience or agility (which requires off-leash obedience). After you've got that dog WELL trained and very well-established in the household, add the second- make the decision for puppy/adult then- you may even find that the breed doesn't really suit you after all.

tumbleweeds? easy to clean up?

would bringin two puppies in at the same time be better? as far as advanced training all i really want is for the dog to know sit,stay, housetrained and not to run off for no reason....other than that im up for the new experience of being a dog owner

by the way i know there are books to buy on every breed but is there a specific author or book i should be looking for for either (and any other) breeD?

[Dieselsmama]

Originally Posted by ls1ssws6

tumbleweeds? easy to clean up?

would bringin two puppies in at the same time be better? as far as advanced training all i really want is for the dog to know sit,stay, housetrained and not to run off for no reason....other than that im up for the new experience of being a dog owner
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Think tumbleweeds everywhere, no, not too easy for cleanup. They are very very heavy shedders. Never, IMO, is it a good idea to get two dogs at the same time, especially puppies. Maybe you should go in person to a dog show and just browse around checking out all the different dogs. Some owners/handlers will be more than willing to talk about their particular breeds, the good and the not-so-good.

[MagicToller]

Samys are working dogs bred for strength and mental charisma - if you don't have a positive outlet for these guys and healthy socialization, you are bound to get yourself into alot of trouble. If you can, try to make some friends in your local dog fancy community if there is one, or get in contact with the Samoyed Club of America for a really detailed inside look at genetics, temperament, care, etc:

http://www.samoyed.org/SCA/index.htm

If you indeed make the decision to get one of these guys, I hope it is truly out of genuine knowledge of the breed and your financial boundaries. You want to find the best breeder possible because Samoyeds can potentially suffer from genetic disorders like hip dysplasia, PRA, vWB and others which should be tested for prior to breeding.

Here's a buyer's guide courtesy of the SCA
http://www.samoyed.org/SCA/buyersguide.htm

[SammyDog]

Lol i had a half lab/Samoyed and its fur wasnt even that long but our house was half full of fur. Pet him from his head to his back and youll have a stunning amout of fur in your hand. Great dog though

[ls1ssws6]

Originally Posted by SammyDog

Lol i had a half lab/Samoyed and its fur wasnt even that long but our house was half full of fur. Pet him from his head to his back and youll have a stunning amout of fur in your hand. Great dog though

hmm maybe ill admire these dogs from a far...sounds like a lot of work (as with any dog) and a lot of hair...oh well they are good looking but i guess not for me

[mariexo]

samoyed shed a lot in the first year, after wards they only lose a little bit of fur in malting season which is twice a year.

Pitbulls are extremely violent and easily aggravated unless with their owner, and samoyed are very very affectionate, friendly and placid with ALL people. even strangers. My samoyed is the most beautiful darling and she's a mother to all dogs AND humans lol. She's little miss Socialite without the extreme psychotic bubbliness lol. She's lovely and an absolute angel.

In MY experiences, a samoyed will bring a lot more love and joy to your life. If you're looking for a guard dog, a samoyed isn't a good option, they'll only lick the burgular silly with hopes of returned affection lol.

not a lot of work at all!!! very intellegent and fast learners. My girl was potty trained within 3 weeks and learnt to "shake hands" and "other hand" within 4 days!!

[blackrose]

Originally Posted by mariexo

samoyed shed a lot in the first year, after wards they only lose a little bit of fur in malting season which is twice a year.

Pitbulls are extremely violent and easily aggravated unless with their owner, and samoyed are very very affectionate, friendly and placid with ALL people. even strangers. My samoyed is the most beautiful darling and she's a mother to all dogs AND humans lol. She's little miss Socialite without the extreme psychotic bubbliness lol. She's lovely and an absolute angel.

In MY experiences, a samoyed will bring a lot more love and joy to your life. If you're looking for a guard dog, a samoyed isn't a good option, they'll only lick the burgular silly with hopes of returned affection lol.

not a lot of work at all!!! very intellegent and fast learners. My girl was potty trained within 3 weeks and learnt to "shake hands" and "other hand" within 4 days!!

Not all Pitties are like that and not all Samoyeds are like that either...but since this thread isn't about that, I won't go into it.

Here are some websites to check out if you want some info on Samoyeds:
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/samoyed.htm
http://www.yourpurebredpuppy.com/reviews/samoyeds.html

And the same websites only for Pitties:
http://www.yourpurebredpuppy.com/rev...lterriers.html
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/americanpitbull.htm

[ls1ssws6]

Originally Posted by blackrose

Not all Pitties are like that and not all Samoyeds are like that either...but since this thread isn't about that, I won't go into it.

Here are some websites to check out if you want some info on Samoyeds:
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/samoyed.htm
http://www.yourpurebredpuppy.com/reviews/samoyeds.html

And the same websites only for Pitties:
http://www.yourpurebredpuppy.com/rev...lterriers.html
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/americanpitbull.htm

thanks for the links i think im gonna stay away from the samoyed because i dont really want a sheddy dog...but since this is my thread ill say that not all pits are mean...i have come across many who are just as social and playful if not more than other "cute cuddly" dogs...just my .02 thanks for eveyrones input