A national kennel club? What is needed to start one?

Benign · 05-25-2007, 07:40 AM

I am curious to know how it is possible to start a national kennel club in a country. Do you know what are the basics? I googled and there were no place to give me clue how it is possible.
Thanks
Benign

Snowshoe · 05-25-2007, 09:17 AM

With all of the silly pet registries out there, why would you want to? There is America's pet registry, the Continental Kennel Club, etc.

The only reputable registry for dogs is the AKC- the American Kennel Club. Usually, the lesser ones cater to puppy mills.

Quincy · 05-25-2007, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowshoe

With all of the silly pet registries out there, why would you want to? There is America's pet registry, the Continental Kennel Club, etc.

The only reputable registry for dogs is the AKC- the American Kennel Club. Usually, the lesser ones cater to puppy mills.

Well this Registry has been operating for over 50 years, and has got it's own events with it's own judges, and really has nothing to do with the AKC, and it's national and a reputable Registry known all over the world, see via this link address:-
http://www.ckcsc.org/
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Snowshoe · 05-25-2007, 10:49 AM

In America, the Continental Kennel Club is a haven for puppy mills. Much like APRI, they give bulk discounts. "Bulk" meaning the more dogs you register, the cheaper each set of papers become.

Plus, the Continental Kennel Club registers "hybrid" dogs.

I do not find that practice to be reputable.

I will not get into another heated discussion on the integrity of poor quality registries.

By the way, what are you talking about? That link took me to the Cavalier club. That has nothing to do with my post. I'm not sure why you even quoted me.

tirluc · 05-25-2007, 12:58 PM

that is the prime example as to WHY a person should REALLY make sure what those letters stand for b/4 buying a "registered" puppy/dog.....CKC can also be the Canadian Kennel Club.....and the CKCSC would be a breed registry same as the ABCA (which my dogs are registered thru, by the way....i won't even touch the AKC w/ my BC's) is also a breed registry--American Border Collie Association......it is a legitamate registry.....

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The only reputable registry for dogs is the AKC- the American Kennel Club. Usually, the lesser ones cater to puppy mills.

that's not necessarily true.....my sisters friend purchased a Corgi puppy reg. w/ the AKC and if that place wasn't a puppy mill i'll eat my boots (he breeds 10 different breeds, dogs kept in small cages/outside, multiple litters a yr.....yadda, yadda, yadda.....oh, by the way, the puppy died......

Ceph · 05-25-2007, 01:31 PM

I would have to say that the UKC isnt a bad organisation either. They are large and provide as many events as the AKC such as agility, conformation and other events. They also have the Service Dogs of America which is a great program that is offered through them.

The United Kennel Club is a fine organization and has been around nearly as long as the AKC...I see less people selling UKC puppies online, from puppy mills, and from the pet stores than I see AKC puppies, thats for sure.

If you want to find out more about the UKC their website is www.UKCDogs.com

Snowshoe · 05-25-2007, 01:39 PM

Tir- please don't mistake me. Not everyone with AKC registered dogs will be a reputable breeder. The AKC doesn't police that.

Ceph- actually a girl I know does show her dog through UKC. She got her kees from a good breeder. I'm not sure why she doesn't show with the AKC. I have heard that it's easier to get points with the UKC, but I can't say that for sure.

Shalva · 05-25-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowshoe

Tir- please don't mistake me. Not everyone with AKC registered dogs will be a reputable breeder. The AKC doesn't police that.

Ceph- actually a girl I know does show her dog through UKC. She got her kees from a good breeder. I'm not sure why she doesn't show with the AKC. I have heard that it's easier to get points with the UKC, but I can't say that for sure.

I dont show UKC but I guess it is reputable.... I do have some issues with their registering dogs on an AKC limited registration as a full registration in UKC but they are reputable.... they do not allow handlers and the shows are smaller and lower key....

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lovemygreys · 05-25-2007, 01:57 PM

[quote]The only reputable registry for dogs is the AKC- the American Kennel Club. QUOTE]

I have to respectfully disagree with that. The
AKC may be the 800-lb gorrilla in this country, but there are other fine and respected kennel clubs throughout the world. The UKC and FCI come to mind.

Ceph · 05-25-2007, 02:05 PM

Weeeeell - I can only show in the UKC with my pup since she is not an AKC registered breed - She is FCI registered as a BBS and UKC registered as a White Shepherd. I know the FCI has more of a rpescence in Canada - but I wish they had more prescence her in the US...lol....my life would feel so much better then.

Alot of people also like the UKC because it is less political and a little more openminded as well - the UKC show German Shepherds tend to be a little closer to standard in terms of their trotting structure...alot of people are drawn to their Agility which is harder in some aspects and easier I believe in terms of the handler...and alot of people are drawn to the programs like SDA - that is one of my favorite things right there...that bitework club is more like police training than SchH which is neat....I just wish there was a club closer to me.

So far from what I can tell it is great - I wish I could go to Premier this year though...unfortunately my pup will be to young and it is a long distance for her to travel after just having gotten off the plane from Holland.

skunkstripe · 05-25-2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowshoe

In America, the Continental Kennel Club is a haven for puppy mills.

And the AKC wanted to become a haven for puppy mills as well.
http://www.thedogpress.com/ClubNews/....PuppyMill.asp
http://www.gdca.org/AKCpetland.htm
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...py_emills.html
I have trouble thinking of the AKC as "reputable" considering that they were going to make a deal with Petland.

Quincy · 05-25-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowshoe

By the way, what are you talking about? That link took me to the Cavalier club. That has nothing to do with my post. I'm not sure why you even quoted me.

You mentioned "The only reputable registry for dogs is the AKC". Well I'm telling you that this Cavalier Club is a reputable Registry for Cavaliers in the US, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the AKC, and if you do not believe me contact them and ask:-
http://www.ckcsc.org/

Here is the Cavalier Club that is just a Club and NOT a Registry but uses the AKC Registry like what your thinking about:-
http://www.ackcsc.org/

I do not agree with you that the AKC is the only reputable registry.
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Ceph · 05-25-2007, 02:22 PM

I think clubs are actually one of the better places to go because alot of the time they have membership requirements and bylaws that promote good breeding and health. I know the two breed blubs I am a member of do that

Snowshoe · 05-25-2007, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Quincy

I do not agree with you that the AKC is the only reputable registry.
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You don't have to. You guys have a good time with this thread.

I've already been in one other thread that dealt with this. It's in the First Timer section. I think the name of the thread was APRI Vs AKC or something like that.

You can find ALLLLLlllll the arguments in the world there.

BTW- I think I'm going to be a part of Curb's AKC- the American Kindling Club. So far, I haven't heard of any meetings. I'd just be an honorary member, anyway.

Quincy · 05-25-2007, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowshoe

You don't have to. You guys have a good time with this thread.

I've already been in one other thread that dealt with this. It's in the First Timer section. I think the name of the thread was APRI Vs AKC or something like that.

You can find ALLLLLlllll the arguments in the world there.

I did not mention anything about APRI Vs AKC, but a Cavalier Club that is a reputable Register but you mentioned "The only reputable registry for dogs is the AKC". It's interesting reading the history as to why after 50 years they are their own Registry rather than be affiliated with the AKC and use the AKC's Register, and it's interesting that the breed was fully recognised in several countries many years ago. The below is from their history page on their site at this address:-
http://www.ckcsc.org/ckcsc/ckcsc_inc...ushistory.html

Early on, the CKCSC, USA applied to the AKC for Miscellaneous status, which was granted in the 1962. After several applications by the club to gain full recognition were rejected by the AKC, the CKCSC, USA proceeded to go about its own business. A stud book was established, a show system was developed, and a stringent code of ethics was adopted. Although few Cavaliers were exhibited in the Miscellaneous classes, CKCSC, USA members did participate in and enjoy AKC obedience events. In 1962, Elizabeth Spalding was the first to complete AKC Companion Dog obedience titles on Miss Eda of Manscross and Kingfisher of Kilspindie.

The CKCSC, USA membership was polled on numerous occasions over the years regarding full recognition, but they felt that the club's strictly enforced, stringent code of ethics afforded the breed a protective umbrella, precluding it from being commercially bred. They had as an example the enormous rise in popularity of the breed in England after Alansmere Aquarius won Best in Show at Crufts in 1973. The vote for full recognition was defeated by a large margin each time it was put to the membership, although Miscellaneous status was retained for obedience enthusiasts.

In 1992, the CKCSC, USA was invited by the AKC to become its parent club for the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, but the membership voted nine to one against accepting the AKC's invitation to affiliate. A small group of CKCSC, USA members formed the American Cavalier King Charles Spaniel Club (ACKCSC), and they applied to the AKC for parent-club status. This was granted, and in March 1995, the breed was officially recognized by the AKC. The CKCSC, USA continues to operate as an independent breed registry with its own specialty- show system, while the ACKCSC became the parent club for the breed within the AKC. Cavaliers went into competition in the Toy Group in the AKC as of January 1, 1996. The ACKCSC held its first National Specialty in May 1997.
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