[borzoimom]

Thank you for your consideration on my feelings etc..
Bottom line- you cant take the chase out of a sighthound, you cant take the nose out of a hunting dog, and cant take the fight out of a dog bred to do soo.. Dogs are more complex and "how much is that doggie in the window" is a surface way to see the dogs you have.. There are inate traits in breeds, and lack of understanding is the reason the shelters are full... Dogs are more complex than poeple IMO>.

[Inga]

Yes, I agree. I am very careful with my dogs. I have had Rottweilers for over 25 years and I have not had 1 bite. I am always on gaurd. Not because they are Rottweilers, but because they are dogs. My heart goes out to anyone that have had such a sad experience with their dog. From either end of the story.

[borzoimom]

Its like that old saying- the more I learn the more I realize we do not know..".. ie- the more I learn- the more I realize is still left" mentality...

[Kaitee]

That is a very sad story and I feel grateful that my story didn't end up any worse than it was.

One day I was walking Bonny with my friend in the neighborhood. And me and my friend were talking so we decided to take a break on a corner of the neighborhood. Little did we know that a kid was rollerskating with his pitbull that their family called a "boxer". So we just stood there talking and my friend had seen the kid roller skating and I had my back to him with Bonny in the same stance I was to the left of me. My friend finally said, "Watch out Kaitee" and I turned around but it was too late, the pitbull had crossed leashes with my dog and it had started a fight. The pitbull had sunk his teeth into Bonny's shoulder (this lastest for about 10 seconds) and we didn't yank her away because of the grip the dog had on her, we didn't want to rip a piece of skin of or tear a muscle. So the dog finally let go and Bonny ran behind my legs and at that point I was freaked out that now the pitbull probably wants to tak a chunk out of me, but he didn't. I took Bonny home and washed her up and she turned out fine.


Another scenario happened recently were this time, mom was walking Bonny and stopped to say hi to my neighbors and their dogs. Bonny, being her nice self played with both of them but one didn't like her and took a chomp on her ear so now she has a peirced ear.

[chewbecca]

I am really sorry that this happened to your friend and her dog.

APBTs, Amstaffs and many other bully breeds are known for dog aggression.
This is why I would NOT even care what kind of reliable recall Ella had, no recall is 100% reliable when it comes to ANY dog especially an APBT or amstaff.

These dogs can turn "hot" (dog aggressive) usually between the ages 2-5 years. For no reason. One little look from another dog, one scent, one bad encounter can cause these dogs to turn "hot" and they will never again either like specific dogs or dogs in general. They say 2-5 years because that's when dogs are considered adults. It can happen suddenly, or you may see a natural decline in the liking of other dogs by an APBT or amstaff.

As sad as it is that the dog actually bit humans (which is SO out of character for these dogs), I wonder if it was a redirection (which still SHOULD NOT happen with these dogs) by the dog for interfering with the attack on the other dog.

These dogs are part terrier and part bull dog (yeah, I know you all know that), but terriers are EXTREMELY prey-driven and bull dogs are tenacious and were used to hold down a bull by biting on the snout and holding the snout.
No, no one should EVER forget breed characteristics.

Again, I am really sorry that this happened to your friend.


I love my dog (a pit bull mix), but I NEVER forget what she is. I never forget what she was bred to do. I NEVER leave her unattended unless she's crated or shut in my room.

These dogs are jumpers and it's not uncommon for them to be able to jump over 6' fences.

But, I tell you, I've made two huge mistakes with my dog and I know better now.

I think when it's time, your friend will know and I feel so bad for her.

[Jen D]

Originally Posted by borzoimom

Thank you for your consideration on my feelings etc..
Bottom line- you cant take the chase out of a sighthound, you cant take the nose out of a hunting dog, and cant take the fight out of a dog bred to do soo.. Dogs are more complex and "how much is that doggie in the window" is a surface way to see the dogs you have.. There are inate traits in breeds, and lack of understanding is the reason the shelters are full... Dogs are more complex than poeple IMO>.

I wonder about this story often and wanted to ask you how your friend was now? I have my Bully Breeds and love them, there great with people, cats, and most other dogs. I trust them and think they are great dogs but my guard is always up when we are out even though they have never done anything. When I get older my dog will be a French Bulldog, it will be small and have a little attitude

[Alpha]

After Roxy's encounter with a ESBT I know that sometimes it doesn't matter how well socialized/bred/trained etc, a dog is, they can just "react".

Even with that being said, there are a number of breeds out there today that were bred to "kill" or "mame", specifically the terrier group but there are other breed groups with those traits as well.

It's very unfortunate, and I feel for your friend. I know how awful the woman who owned the dog who attacked Roxy felt/still feels. After a second attack she no longer goes to school, she's completely given up, is ashamed and embarassed.

ALL dogs are unpredictable, it just so happens that these dogs tend to do more damage than others, and there's little or nothing that can get them out of that "terrier mode".