[phil2]

out of all these ,in best possible order can you try and put them from the dogs that are a handfull to the quieter ones.

dalmatian
border collie
labrador
x breed (i know depends crossed with)
weirmaraner.
rottweiler

i guess BC will be at the top,are they that mad.

[tirluc]

see, that would be a hard one b/c it would actually depend on the dog itself....i, personally, would not put Borders 1st or 2nd and maybe not even 3rd, b/c i have 4 and i have no problems w/ them.....however, i would put Dalmations high on the list as of the 10 i have known, only 1 was an easy dog to deal w/ (no aggression or other problems).....i love Rotties but again i have not known to many that were really completely trustable....Labs and Weimaraners, in my opinion, are too ditzy hyper......but it all depends on how the dog is raised and what the owner is willing to put up w/.....so, it all boils down to the owner and how much of a handful or how quiet they are.....

[Chloef_2799]

I would say that Border collies, weimeraners, labs and dalmations are all pretty high strung dogs. It depends on the dog for sure because I have met a few mellow weimeraners and a few aristocratic borders as well who would rather shake your hand than lick you or sniff you. Rotties I am not sure about I don't know alot about them I haven't met very many either. The only ones I know are older ladies and gentleman and they are all very nice dogs but like I said it depends on the dog and the owner.
Mixes are impossible to predict because it is just that, a mix therefore until they are grown and set in their ways you don't know what they will be like and t is also like said....depends on what breeds are being mixed.

[RonE]

Young labs (up to about 3 years old) have a reputation for being nuts. I lucked out and adopted a 4-5 year old lab who was a real gentleman.

I did meet a lab pup who was extremely mellow. I asked the owner about him and it said it's genetic - the mother is practically comatose.

Also, 'high-strung" dogs are often just dogs without enough physical and mental stimulation, so you have to be realistic about what sort of activity level you can live with. A bored Plott hound is not only a force of nature - she doesn't care if you are running a fever of 105 and have a broken ankle. She needs to run and she'd rather have company.

I can't imagine there has ever been a potential dog-owner who has asked as many questions as you have. Most people see a pup and say, "Oh, he's cute - I'll take him."

Good luck with your search.

[Jaylie]

Dalmation
Weimeraner
Border Collie
Rottweiler
Labrador

That's JMO...The Lab's are VERY easy going if you go to a good breeder. Jaylie, (9 months) is VERY easy going...Today she slept all day, except for when she was eating, drinking, toileting. And, the reason I put BC's near the top of the list, is just because they are likely to get high strung if they don't have enough excercise, and plus they require more exercise then those other ones.

[tirluc]

Border Collies are not high strung.....they are HIGH ENERGY, but, as RonE pointed out, high strung is what a dog is when they don't have enuff stimulation.....Borders like to be doing thing and, like the Plott hound, they prefer to have company doing it....as i said, i have 4 and we don't have any of them getting destructive or driving us nutz.....however, the Golden that i take care of 3 days a wk can really wear on my patience ("lights are on, but nobody's home" attitude)

[phil2]

no i just mean with border collies will they be too livly and mad,never sitting down,my mum said it might not be fair to them here in the city as there used to being in farms etc in wales,we have a field opposite and a woods.what about those from dogs homes.we seen one last week stil there from about a month earlier and she said it is just psychic and mad(i suppose becuase its sitting inside a kennel all day)
would a walk of about 30mins-1hr in the morning and 30 mins at night be sufficient too most BC,i know it depends on the dog.

are females less livley?

p.s it might be just about 10 mins in the morning,30 mins afternoon & 30 mins eveining when dad is at work,mum has to be up early to get to work and wont have a lot of time to walk it in the monring,where talking 10 mins,shes just worried it might get distructive or something while waiting the day,the max it would be alone is 3 hrs.

the day mainly runs like this in the week.

in till ( 10 min walk)9.20 - dog alone - 12.10
12.50-2.30 (walk 30 mins)
walk in evening(30 mins)

when dad is home (he works away) it would be with him all day so he can take it out morning and play with it in the day.

[tirluc]

Originally Posted by phil2

no i just mean with border collies will they be too livly and mad,never sitting down,my mum said it might not be fair to them here in the city as there used to being in farms etc in wales,we have a field opposite and a woods.what about those from dogs homes.we seen one last week stil there from about a month earlier and she said it is just psychic and mad(i suppose becuase its sitting inside a kennel all day)
would a walk of about 30mins-1hr in the morning and 30 mins at night be sufficient too most BC,i know it depends on the dog.

are females less livley?

p.s it might be just about 10 mins in the morning,30 mins afternoon & 30 mins eveining when dad is at work,mum has to be up early to get to work and wont have a lot of time to walk it in the monring,where talking 10 mins,shes just worried it might get distructive or something while waiting the day,the max it would be alone is 3 hrs.

the day mainly runs like this in the week.

in till ( 10 min walk)9.20 - dog alone - 12.10
12.50-2.30 (walk 30 mins)
walk in evening(30 mins)

when dad is home (he works away) it would be with him all day so he can take it out morning and play with it in the day.

this is what my day generally goes like w/ my 3 girls (the most active).....i work graveyard shift Wed-Sun, so when i get home (they go w/ me) they eat then i usually sleep for about 2 hrs....then, i'm up and it's off to do errands if need be and then to the dog club for about 3 hrs.....there they play ball for about 20 min and then we work on some agility and/or obedience work.....then we go back home and there is about 2-3 hrs b/4 go to bed b/4 going to work.....in this time frame they eat, play a little bit in the house w/ each other or people, potty and then lay down w/ me for about 4 hrs....then off to work and we start over....during the "goose" season the dog club is pretty much eliminated and they are kept quite busy chasing geese....

so, in effect, you would need to give the dog more than just walks....there would have to be quite a bit of mental and physical stimulation (and i find that the mental can "wear them out" better than the physical...it lasts longer...any kind of "job" that you can give them around the house (bringing items, searching for things, many tricks that require thinking, etc.) can help alot.....they do need interaction to a larger degree than some of your breeds....like i say, they are a high energy dog that likes to do things, and preferrably w/ their person....

edit: oh, and the fmales are quite a bit more intense than the males....the males seem to be the more laid back (for the norm)....

[phil2]

ok so playing bal etc in the house/garden,petting them and let them find treats etc around the house.

but is my routine ok.

[tirluc]

would a walk of about 30mins-1hr in the morning and 30 mins at night be sufficient too most BC,i know it depends on the dog.

this?.....uh, no.....this plus about 20 min of ball playing, 30-60 min of mental stimulation (training, mind games, etc), and maybe another 15-30 min of some fun ("ruff"-housing, doggy sports, etc) for a total of about 3 hrs of "active" time thru-out the day, should be sufficient......more would be better, but this would do.....but don't forget the love and cuddles (if you can get them to cuddle ) thrown in there.....

oh, another thing is Borders are good at finding things to entertain themselves w/ in a nondestructive manner (if all other areas are met) such as a plastic bottle/jug, a pull toy, a big ball (soccer/ basket/ volleyball [a tetherball works great whe they are older]), etc......

edit: i don't want to scare you off from the Border Collie, they are awesome dogs, just make sure that you know the ropes b/4 getting one......all dogs are going to take an effort to own (unless it is a couch potato type), so it's good that you are looking into this b/4 just getting a dog......

[phil2]

yes well they do seem great dogs,aslong as there not on the go 24/7 tormenting you.

[Amaya-Mazie-Marley]

You have a list of some very good dogs, but all dogs need attention and stimulation or play. I myself have small dogs, which I think you might want to consider. They still need alot of love and attention, but not nearly as much activity as a larger dog. Also they can have fun play around the house with little toys and simple things like plastic bottles, or a large bottle cap from a 3 liter drink. Its up to you what kind of dog you get, but I think smaller may be better since it seems like you may not have alot of time to walk your dog.

[phil2]

no i dont like the small dogs,im in all the night so id be happy to play with it in the house/garden.

[tirluc]

Originally Posted by phil2

yes well they do seem great dogs,aslong as there not on the go 24/7 tormenting you.

don't get me wrong....they learn, if trained properly and given the outlets needed, to settle for a good portion of the day.....if you watch them working on the farm they do stop and "chill" for good amounts of time.....mine are quite well behaved in the house unless we instigate the play/rowdiness.....but, if they have not been able to get out for a full day, say, due to illness or bad weather or whatever, you can bet your patooty that they will be bugging me tenfold the next day to get out and burn that energy......many's the time that i find myself sitting here at the computer throwing the ball across the room for them (all 4 of them, so we're talking 4 bals here) or we may get a 3-4 way tug of wr going to burn the energy by them playing......i have found that it is quite easier w/ 2 or more than just one cuz you can get them to entertain each other (and the people to boot...hell, w/ 3 BC's, who needs a t.v. ).....

if you do decide on a Border, just make sure you're willing to commit to what they need....and that includes training them that you are in charge and call the shots of when and where.....

edit: just a couple videos to show what i mean about letting them all get rowdy......just the bl/wh are mine....

http://s9.photobucket.com/albums/a57...=Bedlam2-1.flv

http://s9.photobucket.com/albums/a57...=Bedlam3-1.flv