The Chinese and Dogs

OwnedBySix · 08-03-2006, 12:13 PM

All I have to say is...I am appalled

And even more appalled after doing some googling at the amount of countries that torture animals...domesticated included...for fur and meat.

Skinning alive? I almost threw up as I watched this and the victim lifted his head to look around after every bit of his skin had been removed.

What has happened to humanity? If they can treat animals this way, then they can and will and probably HAVE treated humans this way. I know that every country has it's sickos...but for it to be so widespread that it is a way of life for most (even children who grow up seeing it)...well I would sooner push the Nuke button and be done with them all then wait to see what they will do to us later...

SiNNiK · 08-03-2006, 08:08 PM

let's kill billions of people because you don't agree with the way they treat their animals? i don't get it.

Killerdrgn · 08-03-2006, 08:43 PM

I wonder if your a vegetarian because if not then your very hypocritical, you do realise that when cows get killed, or even when they're raised up it's not always humane. And in different cultures they have different moralities. In india its illegal to kill a cow. If we were to kill a Racoon people in Japan would be upset because they view them as pets. Just because something offends you doesn't mean that everyone else in the world should be banned from doing it, If that were true we would all be dead already.

bigdawgs · 08-03-2006, 08:58 PM

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you do realise that when cows get killed, or even when they're raised up it's not always humane

I don't know about where you live, but beef and dairy cattle here are treated extremely well. Many farmers give better vet care to the livestock than to thier dogs and cats. Considering that a market ready steer can get about 1.00 a pound on the hoof, and they weigh 2000 pounds or more, treating them well means better income later. What they do AFTER they are sold at market, I can;t say, but good farmers take care of thier animals.

Antihero · 08-03-2006, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OwnedBySix

All I have to say is...I am appalled

And even more appalled after doing some googling at the amount of countries that torture animals...domesticated included...for fur and meat.

Skinning alive? I almost threw up as I watched this and the victim lifted his head to look around after every bit of his skin had been removed.

No offence but you really could have left that part out, or put a warning about possibly disturbing details in your title. I really could have done without that mental image.

OwnedBySix · 08-03-2006, 10:01 PM

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No offence but you really could have left that part out, or put a warning about possibly disturbing details in your title. I really could have done without that mental image.

Yes, it is. And it is reality. At least I didn't post a link to the video.

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Originally Posted by Killerdrgn

I wonder if your a vegetarian because if not then your very hypocritical, you do realise that when cows get killed, or even when they're raised up it's not always humane. And in different cultures they have different moralities. In india its illegal to kill a cow. If we were to kill a Racoon people in Japan would be upset because they view them as pets. Just because something offends you doesn't mean that everyone else in the world should be banned from doing it, If that were true we would all be dead already.

I REALLY doubt that the way these animals die is done in the US...and if it IS and was reported (as this was in China, the Phillipines etc) it would be taken care of.

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Originally Posted by SiNNiK

let's kill billions of people because you don't agree with the way they treat their animals? i don't get it.

They are not human beings...they are savages. Did you forget how they used to kill all girl babies too? They haven't changed at all.

Cheetah · 08-03-2006, 11:31 PM

In the US, there are factory farms, and the livestock are not treated well there at all. They are miserable their whole lives, and are tortured to death during the slaughter process, because it's a machine and doesn't stun them properly before killing them half the time.

I know here in CO, from what I can see, the cows are treated properly. I don't know of any factory farms in this state, but I know that they're VERY common in this country, and from what I know, these horrible places are allowed. >-.-<

Killerdrgn · 08-03-2006, 11:38 PM

Yes in slaughter houses they are stun batonned first before being carved up, but most reports state that the cows are just paralyzed and not actually knocked out, so when the workers start carving the cows still feel it all. And you do realise that it is just your perspective that your living in a country that is rich enough to actually worry about "humane" treatment. To most of the world this is a life or death matter, people have to eat, and they don't have the time to care about how the animal was killed. And you seem to forget that they are killing these animals for food and clothing, and in this country people do it for sick pleasure. You really need to just keep in mind that 99% of the world is "DIRT POOR". I advise you on your next vacation to not go to a tourist area and go visit how 99% of the world actually live and you'll come to understand their situation VERY quickly. And the girl babies thing is mostly untrue, it only happened when the family could not pay a bribe or find someone to bend the rules for them. It happens in poor farming villages where they cannot have the luxury of raising a female child that would not work the fields and thus ensuring their death by starvation when the parents got old. I'll tell you when you actually see people living in mud huts with savings that are basically the clothes they have on and starvation is a way of life and death happens all the time your world view changes rapidly.

Antihero · 08-04-2006, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by OwnedBySix

Yes, it is. And it is reality. At least I didn't post a link to the video.

I REALLY doubt that the way these animals die is done in the US...and if it IS and was reported (as this was in China, the Phillipines etc) it would be taken care of.

They are not human beings...they are savages. Did you forget how they used to kill all girl babies too? They haven't changed at all.

Thanks for editing the title, and thanks for not posting a link.

Personally i love dogs and i really cant believe what people do to them. A dog is usually a trusting animal and wants to be loved and a part of a pack/family. They also usually dont understand why these people are hurting them.

I work in concrete, and one job i did was for a family with 2 dogs, a Boston Terrier and a lab mix. Whenever these people would come home the Boston Terrier would run underneath the camping trailer and whimper. I never saw the kid or the man do anything to the dog(once the kid threatened to throw rocks at the dog, but didnt actually do anything) but from the reaction, and the fact that the dog wouldnt let anyone near him ever, told me it was abused.

After i was on the job for a few days i finally got the dog to be able to be petted. When i first tried to pet it, it would duck and whine, but after awhile he started trusting me. On breaks, he used to climb up into my lap to be petted.

I came dangerously close to taking the dog home with me, but in the end didnt. I found out that the dog ran away to a neighbor and that person payed his "owners" for the dog and lived out a happy life. All of that happened a week after i met the dog. I wish all stories like this had a happy ending, but most dont.

I also wish that was the only time i have heard or seen animal abuse, but its not. I have also come very close to physically hurting people who feel its funny to hurt defence-less pets. How you could hurt something that desperatly wants love is beyond me, and makes me sick.

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Killerdrgn · 08-04-2006, 01:14 AM

Yeah i'm pretty sure we really don't have to worry about China starting wars with everyone else since the US is doing just fine and dandy doing that by themselves. And you do know the dogs in China are bred for food like cows and chickens are bred here right? It's not like they take them off the street or out of someones house that was a pet. I really need to stress that they're not just killing animals willy nilly for the fun of it but for survival needs. If you eat meat in any point in your life, then you really should just hurt yourself since anyone can view any animal as a pet, in any part of the world.

SiNNiK · 08-04-2006, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by OwnedBySix

They are not human beings...they are savages. Did you forget how they used to kill all girl babies too? They haven't changed at all.

Dehumanization is a psychological process whereby opponents view each other as less than human and thus not deserving of moral consideration. Jews in the eyes of Nazis and Tutsis in the eyes of Hutus (in the Rwandan genocide) are but two examples.

Protracted conflict strains relationships and makes it difficult for parties to recognize that they are part of a shared human community. Such conditions often lead to feelings of intense hatred and alienation among conflicting parties.

The more severe the conflict, the more the psychological distance between groups will widen. Eventually, this can result in moral exclusion. Those excluded are typically viewed as inferior, evil, or criminal.

excerpt taken from:
http://www.beyondintractability.org/...ehumanization/

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Curbside Prophet · 08-04-2006, 09:47 AM

This thread is going nowhere good. Again, let me repeat, calling each other names is not allowed. I would hope you all are more intelligent than that. This forum isn't suppose to be about politics, and frankly, it's best if you all keep your political views and feelings about other ethnicities to yourself. Have an opinion, express it intelligently without attacking anyone, and leave the name calling and insults for another forum other than ours.