breeding questions

Blacksheep · 07-27-2006, 07:58 PM

so yeah.....plan on being a new breeder.

Do breeders have to register with AKC or just the litters/dogs?

Does anyone used the prey model diet and want to give me tips?

Do all breeders make you sign a contract to neuter or can some be talked to about new breeding?

Random tips welcome

OwnedBySix · 07-27-2006, 09:14 PM

Oh dear.

First of all, if you don't know the answer to these questions, you are NOT READY to breed, so PLEASE continue to research and ask questions of PROFESSIONAL, ETHICAL BREEDERS. These breeders are NOT in the 'business' for money, breed ONLY the BEST of the BEST (champions...not 1 champion or 2...multiples in their pedigrees). They do NOT breed a bitch more than once every other year and wait until a proper age to do so. They do NOT stud out their dogs to bitches of lower standard than their sire. They usually have waiting lists for their puppies, and do NOT have puppies available at any given time. They REQUIRE references and an application, and yes, most reputable breeders WILL REQUIRE a spay/neuter contract on their 'non-show' quality, or even ALL, pups. Some may NOT sell to you if you are not willing to learn all that is involved in breeding responsibly. THIS IS A GOOD THING! ALL REPUTABLE breeders will have all of the recommended genetic testing done on their dogs before breeding, and will supply prospective homes with proof of this. This can cost hundreds, even thousands of dollars. Are you willing to do this? Are you willing to put your bitch in jeopardy of a complicated labor and delivery or even death? Most breeders LOSE money when breeding, not profit. Why? Because they are breeding for one reason...to BETTER the breed, and keep it to standard.

I apologize if this comes across as 'rough', however, I am in the 'rescue' business. I have fostered many many dogs in the past several years, and have seen the devastation caused by puppy mills and breeders that do NOT take full accountability for each and every pup that walks out their door. I have gone to visit a shelter at closing one night, came back to visit the next morning and one...JUST ONE dog remained that was there the previous night. You take a guess at what happened to those dogs.

I beg you to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE learn everything you need to learn before attempting to breed. If you are not ready, do not have the resources, time or patience...then please...consider rescue for your chosen breed. It is the single best thing you can do for the dogs you love.

Curbside Prophet · 07-27-2006, 09:39 PM

I fully concure with OwnedBySix. And I do appreciate that you have asked these questions first before taking on such a challenge...not many breeders ask questions first. As for tips, visit AKC sponsored dog shows and events, and speak with as many breeders as you can, especially of the breed you intend to concentrate on. Learn everything you can about the standard for the breed, and how you can identify that you have dog that's closest to the standard. Finally, please do not be offended by what OwnedBySix wrote, it really is how you should approach this focus. Good luck, and please let us know how you progress.

Blacksheep · 07-27-2006, 11:56 PM

I am aware of everything said. I don't plan to do it for the money. These are simply questions I had trouble finding. Also there aren't many shows here for miles (over 100) that I know of.

I have done some research but every breeder has to start somewhere....I just don't know where.

I plan on moving out of the US but from what I heard....you cannot register a dog with KC unless it is being transfered from another kennel club.

I have experiecne with the breed (shih tzu) and I plan on doing a background check on any new puppy buyer....that is if I ever get started.

I would also love to rescue them. I was inspired by a samoyed breeder who also rescued dogs from all over California and Mexico.

In my opinion thousands of dollars should be saved for a dog anyways. Accidents do happen. Also I am aware that c-sections aren't cheap and sometimes are needed.

I do not plan to breed yet. I KNOW i'm not ready. Rather study it first than jump into something with tons of questions and no info.

ThxForNothing · 07-28-2006, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Blacksheep

so yeah.....plan on being a new breeder.

Do breeders have to register with AKC or just the litters/dogs?

Does anyone used the prey model diet and want to give me tips?

Do all breeders make you sign a contract to neuter or can some be talked to about new breeding?

Random tips welcome

just dont.

why not just rescue some dogs? come on now.. geez

Blacksheep · 07-28-2006, 04:50 AM

Well I guess you can ask any breeder that. For the love and improvment of the breed.

ThxForNothing · 07-28-2006, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Blacksheep

Well I guess you can ask any breeder that. For the love and improvment of the breed.

And how much do you know about your breed? Do you really plan on doing everything correctly and spending all that money on this? I mean, if you are, if you truely are doing this for the BREED and not some selfish reasons, then that's grreat. But if you are doing this because you want money, or you think it would be nice to have puppies... etc, then that's just sad and I think you shouldn't do it. I am sick of seeing people do that.

Most people don't fully understand how much you have to put into breeding and such, and it just annoys me. I'm not saying thats you too, because I don't know you, but that's why I am responding to you in this way. Hope you understand.

Curbside Prophet · 07-28-2006, 09:35 AM

If you read above this person said they weren't doing it for the money, and they are interested in breeding for conformity. I believe you point is taken and understood by Blacksheep.

luv4gsds · 07-28-2006, 10:10 AM

http://www.akc.org/reg/index.cfm?nav_area=registration

Do all breeders make you sign a contract to neuter or can some be talked to about new breeding?Some do and some don't

Make sure you do all the health testing with in your dogs breed. Be prepared to take on the puppies if the dam refuses them. I've seen some dams kill the own pups. Check the lemon law with in your state. Make sure you are breeding with in the standard of the breed. Don't just throw together two registered dogs together. Know the pedigree and the breed of the dam and sire. Just put yourself in the puppy buyers shoes, would you like to buy a puppy with health problems and bad temperament.

ThxForNothing · 07-28-2006, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Curbside Prophet

If you read above this person said they weren't doing it for the money, and they are interested in breeding for conformity. I believe you point is taken and understood by Blacksheep.

I just don't like the idea of someone else becoming a breeder. Specially when that person is going online to a forum to get info. Why not just talk to another responsible breeder?

Oh well. this thread pisses me off a bit so i think ill just avoid it now.
enjoy your breeding.. im sure the world needs more puppies..........

Blacksheep · 07-28-2006, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ThxForNothing

I just don't like the idea of someone else becoming a breeder. Specially when that person is going online to a forum to get info. Why not just talk to another responsible breeder?

Oh well. this thread pisses me off a bit so i think ill just avoid it now.
enjoy your breeding.. im sure the world needs more puppies..........

im sure the world needs more people

I don't plan on doing it for the money. And yes I am willing to spend tons of money on caring for the dogs.

I have also heard of the bitch killing puppies and will take over the full time job of nursing all the pups. Tiring yes but worth it.

I have had experience with the breed. They have some nasty problems but its fine. Still learning more and more (hehe like new styles with the fur) and maybe in a few years I will know more.

Why I asked on a forum....hmm because some breeders aren't the nicest people and tell you that you should never become a breeder.....even though they are. Also I can talk to more than one3 person at a time and get dif. opinions on things.

drfong · 07-28-2006, 07:21 PM

I for one welcome your questions, because that is how you learn. I have learned alot on the web from this and other forums. You also have to understand that in this type of forum everyone has their own opinion and some are very strong in there convictions. TFN fits into that category, so I would rather have you asking lots of questions and making a good decission in the future, which maybe to or not to breed, than to jump right in because you were afraid to ask first. I think there are some people out there who don't believe anyone should breed dogs and If you want a pet you should only get a rescue dog. I am completely against puppy mills and pet shop pups, but not against anyone who breeds for the good of the breed and takes care of pups. If we don't have good breeders, good dog breeds will become a thing of the past also. So I say ask all the questions you like, really research the issue of what it takes and examine why you want to breed. If you can be a responsible breeder, go for it. If not, just don't do it anyway.

Curbside Prophet · 07-28-2006, 07:36 PM

Very well said drfong!

Blacksheep · 07-28-2006, 09:07 PM

thanx!!! I know about puppy mills. Nasty stuff. But I dont plan to breed more than one or two breeds and only keep a small "stock".

Just one question....that I seriously need help with.

Are the breeders registered too or just the dogs?

luv4gsds · 07-28-2006, 09:17 PM

Just the dog's and the litter (puppies). You can also register your kennel name through AKC http://www.akc.org/reg/kennelnames.cfm.

Blacksheep · 07-28-2006, 09:36 PM

hey thanx.

Has anyone tried the raw food diet? How do I go about feeding it to puppies?

Any good books on prey model diet?

OwnedBySix · 07-28-2006, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Blacksheep

hey thanx.

Has anyone tried the raw food diet? How do I go about feeding it to puppies?

Any good books on prey model diet?

Personally, I would keep puppies on puppy kibble only. Your adults are another story. Most people that would purchase a pup would not be feeding raw, not to mention that their immune systems are definitely weaker than an adult's and could catch illnesses that their parents would not.

Blacksheep · 07-28-2006, 10:35 PM

Is there any way to raise a pup the raw way? I have heard of it and cleaning the meat is a must anyway.

I believe that kibble has too much of a filler and the "grow up fast" stuff. Weaning is different. Basically I don't trust kibble at all

luv4gsds · 07-28-2006, 10:39 PM

I feed my puppies on raw and my adults on raw too. Puppies do fine on a raw diet. It just how you go about feeding it.

Here is a raw recipe for puppies.
Mix together a can of goats milk, two cans of water, half cup green beans, half cup carrots, half cup peas, rice cereal, one egg, 1/4 tsp cod liver oil and ground meat. Add all these into a food processor.

You can use a different kind of viggie and different kind of meat.

OwnedBySix · 07-29-2006, 07:04 AM

If you decide to go this route with your puppies, I would visit several informational websites and talk to several other breeders that feed raw to their puppies. I would make sure you know EVERYTHING you need to before starting.

FYI...not all dog foods are created equal, and there are many that are good for your dog. One of them is Innova EVO. This is the ingredient list:
Turkey Chicken Turkey Meal Chicken Meal Potatoes Herring Meal Chicken Fat Natural Flavors Egg Garlic Apples Carrots Tomatoes Cottage Cheese Alfalfa Sprouts Dried Chicory Root Taurine Lecithin Rosemary Extract Vitamins/Minerals Viable Naturally Occurring Microorganisms

NO fillers.