[sillylilykitty]

Originally Posted by DogueEdaddy

I'm so sorry, Cassie. You made such an heroic effort.

But, folks, don't you think the vanbum has insulted and interferred long enough. this person is not worthy of your sympathy or attempted understanding. If all choose to Ignore this person, maybe they will go away.

Sorry if this irritates anyone, but it is MHO.

God Bless All......Stan

I agree with you. Lets just ignore. That way I dont have to get so extremly angry when I read those posts. And he/she should stop posting that disgusting picture. It was posted, we saw it, no need for more of it.

[RonE]

I would never in a million years suggest this but . . .

There is an ignore button on this forum. I don't think it was enabled when I first registered, but it is now.

If there is a poster that just makes you crazy and you don't want to see any more of his or her posts, go to his profile (by clicking on his name and choosing 'view public profile' from the pull-down menu.) When the profile comes up, choose 'add to ignore list' and save the list.

Again, I am not proposing this as a solution to any particular problems but it might be better than pulling your hair out in frustration.

[sillylilykitty]

Originally Posted by RonE

I would never in a million years suggest this but . . .

There is an ignore button on this forum. I don't think it was enabled when I first registered, but it is now.

If there is a poster that just makes you crazy and you don't want to see any more of his or her posts, go to his profile (by clicking on his name and choosing 'view public profile' from the pull-down menu.) When the profile comes up, choose 'add to ignore list' and save the list.

Again, I am not proposing this as a solution to any particular problems but it might be better than pulling your hair out in frustration.

good idea! but what about the peoples posts who quote that person or talk back to them...

[RonE]

Well, that's a problem all right. If you choose to ignore one or more members, responses will seem out-of-context.

It would be far better, and more mature, if we could each exercise some self-control and just avoid responding to trolls. That's easy for me to say - not so easy to do.

Cassie Nova, all this off-topic stuff is at least keeping your thread toward the top of the heap. With your one, simple plea, I think you've actually done more to call attention to the plight of shelter dogs than vanbum will do with volumes of rants.

[thomasina]

Originally Posted by Cassie Nova

I just got the news. He was gassed today.

Sorry we couldn't help you, sweet boy.

Oh man, what a bummer, I am so sorry to hear that. Let's hope he's free and happy where ever he is now. Thank you for trying to save him Cassie, your heart is in the right place.

[Cassie Nova]

Originally Posted by RonE

Well, that's a problem all right. If you choose to ignore one or more members, responses will seem out-of-context.

It would be far better, and more mature, if we could each exercise some self-control and just avoid responding to trolls. That's easy for me to say - not so easy to do.

Cassie Nova, all this off-topic stuff is at least keeping your thread toward the top of the heap. With your one, simple plea, I think you've actually done more to call attention to the plight of shelter dogs than vanbum will do with volumes of rants.

I agree, Ron. I admit that I have seen some posts, gotten angry and responded....sometimes in ways that I shouldn't have. But I have never done that when it comes to saving a dog....though we all make mistakes.

OTOH, I am also glad so many people are responding. Maybe this will change somone's mind....maybe someone will decide against breeding their dog....maybe they'll go volunteer at a rescue or shelter. Maybe they'll help with pulling/transporting....maybe they'll just donate a few dollars a month. Maybe in the end, the off topic posts in this thread will save some dogs.

While the dog had a chance, all I wanted was to save him....the arguing upset me, and it still does, but maybe this thread can change something. I'm honestly hoping that you're right.

[Laurelin]

I think that was what we were all trying to get across in the off topic posts. Every little bit helps, whether it is rescuing a dog yourself, or fostering, or donating your time or money to the cause. I personally believe responsible breeding fits in with this, but let's not debate on that anymore. The bottom line is every little bit helps and every person has their place where they can help.

[Cassie Nova]

Originally Posted by Laurelin

I think that was what we were all trying to get across in the off topic posts. Every little bit helps, whether it is rescuing a dog yourself, or fostering, or donating your time or money to the cause. I personally believe responsible breeding fits in with this, but let's not debate on that anymore. The bottom line is every little bit helps and every person has their place where they can help.

Yeah, but I just don't think we should be arguing on such threads.

And I forgot to mention....thanks, everyone, for your kind words.

Figured I would share this with you all...I wrote it for every dog ever euthanized, but more specifically, for Dante (that was his name). So that's what it's called- "Dante".

You’ll never understand,
And you didn’t feel a thing.
I guess this was all planned,
By the guy who lives above.

Your last moments were numb,
With no one there to say “it’s okay”,
Or to stroke your head with their soft thumb.
You thought no one loved you….
But I did.

You’ll never really know,
And even though it’s spoken,
To you, it’s a truth untold.

You died because no one wanted you,
You were thrown away like a piece of trash.
And you don’t know why this had to be true,
You thought no one tried to save you….
But I did.

As you whimpered and whined,
No one heard a thing.
You barked and cried,
People ignored you all the time.
You thought no one heard you….
But I did.

You’ll never really know,
And even though it’s spoken,
To you, it’s a truth untold.

I heard you,
I tried to save you,
And I love you…

So when someone asks why you’re in heaven,
Just tell them it’s because you’re too good for Earth.
Tell them that you were lucky number seven,
And you had simply done your duty.

And if they dare to say,
“That’s not true,
No one loved you anyway.”
Tell them that I did.

[sillylilykitty]

I have to say this thread has....how do I say it...I can only come up with "helped" me. I am a gigantic fan of purebred dogs. I was thinking of taking a Chinese Shar Pei from my boss when it was time for the dog to retire. But after my experience today (someone brought a cute husky mix puppy to school today ) and reading this post (and a couple other things too) I am thinking I HAVE TO adopt a puppy or adult from the humane society.
That Shar Pei is the sweetest Shar Pei I have ever met, I never would have even considered a Shar Pei if it wernt for Coco (the shar pei). But obviously she will be easily adopted out when she retires. Considering that someone other than me already wanted her.

Now I wanna visit the Humane society and play with the puppies, but mostly the adults (I love big dogs!!)!

That was a very good poem Cassie! I love it, its so filled with love!

[vanbum]

Its those dogs in barrels that ARE worthy of your sympathy and understanding. Who gives a rats ass about me, i would rather you focus on them.

Sorry to hear about the dog being gassed. That truly sucks.

My only "rant" is that the pet overpopulation problem is so severe, that nobody has a right to breed anything, not until we stop killing dogs daily who dont have homes. If you dont agree, fine. This a dog board, not a rescue board. I dont expect much support. And I wont reply in this topic anymore as long as one of you does not have some silly "snappy comeback" that I have to reply to. Dont want to see my posts? dont reply to me then, your not gonna change my mind and im not gonna change yours.

Dont buy from a breeder or pet store, get a dog at your local animal shelter. if you do that, its one less dog thats gonna be "gassed" And if we didnt have so many dang breeders who say "oh its ok because Im responsible!" then more people would get a dog from the shelter, instead of a breeder. And then maybe we might just get a grip on the problem.

[thomasina]

Vanbum; We can no longer help those poor animals in the barrels - they are DEAD. So let's try and focus on the live ones. Even if that means helping one at a time. You keep on pointing out how you are they only one who cares. That is total nonsense we all care. And you know what, if we want a certain breed of dog, for a specific reason - yes like agility then we have the right to buy from a breeder. Why should we not be allowed to have the dog of OUR choice, because of irresponsible people breeding, just for the heck of it. I have Pyrenean Shepherds, I searched high and low to find one in a rescue or a shelter first, but guess what they are so rare, that there is only one breeder in the States and that's where I got mine from. And I am very happy with my decision. I also have a rescue, who has so many pre-existing issues, that I can never do agility with her. If you just want a pet, adoption is great, however if your dogs are athletes, then you want to make sure the dog is both mentally and physically sound. That's where the reputable breeder comes in - health and temperament tests.

What have you done to make a difference; did you try to save all those animals in the barrels - I didn't think so - It's not realistic.

[iwantmypup]

posts like this make me soo sad.. I would take every dog in the world when i become rich and famous but untill then i cant...

[Cassie Nova]

vanbum- Take a minute. Think about what you're saying. Dogs in shelters are not from reputable breeders because...guess what? Reputable breeders don't let that happen. So where ARE they from, then? The only thing left is BYBs, pet stores and puppy mills. So you're completely contradicting yourself by saying not to get from these places- why not jsut go to one of those places and save the dog having to risk being put to sleep? (Uhh, I would always pick a shelter/rescue over a pet store, BYB, etc, but just pointing out that these remarks from vanbum are not thought out.)

"Snappy comeback", eh? I think you're the one getting snappy. So what if this is not a rescue board? Even *good* breeders would rather you get a dog from a rescue/shelter than a pet store/BYB! Any good dog owner knows these things. Besides, no one said they didn't agree with you and the problem. We do agree. I, personally, don't agree with that whole "no one has the right to breed anything" theory, but I know better than to question you because you can't seem to handle this.

[DogueEdaddy]

Hi folks, didn't we see each other here before?

Seriously, guys and gals, being a fair minded person; I did check out his web site to see if there was something I was missing. Only thing I found out was his name. His FAQ section contained the same excuses as on here of why he can't get a job or do anything better than collect bottles and cans, do few odd jobs, ask for donations to feed and care for himself and his dogs.

I don't think anyone here can help him, so lets maybe find another special case rescue to try to help. Maybe this time one of us can help more.

If anyone finds this post offensive, just let me know as I am just speaking MHO.

God Bless All......Stan

[Cassie Nova]

Hey, Stan, that's a good idea....maybe all urgent dogs can go in this thread?

[BabySophieCorgiEyes]

Originally Posted by vanbum

It sounds to me like you believe exactly what the breeders want you to believe. ya they just woke up one day and said to themselves "Hmm i love goldens so much that I want to share them with everyone, and I will do this with money out of my own pocket and I will make sure they all go to respinsible homes"

Thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard. Believe that if you wish.

you have not answered my question. what gives them the right?

Are you trying to tell me that those dogs in those barrels are less valuable then a purebread dog thats being sold by a breeder?



Oh well excuse me - i guess its much more important to do that then it is to stop pet overpopulation.

Im sick of breeder excuses, because thats all they are.

Every day, thousands of dogs are dragged into a room, held down and killed, and YOU want to "better the working/show breeds" ????

Oh, silly me. I must be nuts for my opinion.

How dare you
bash reputable breeders, if people would have just bred like them none of the would have happened. If there weren't puppy mills and irresponsible people, then there wouldn't be so many animals in the human society. It is not the breeders fault.

Originally Posted by thomasina

Vanbum; We can no longer help those poor animals in the barrels - they are DEAD. So let's try and focus on the live ones. Even if that means helping one at a time. You keep on pointing out how you are they only one who cares. That is total nonsense we all care. And you know what, if we want a certain breed of dog, for a specific reason - yes like agility then we have the right to buy from a breeder. Why should we not be allowed to have the dog of OUR choice, because of irresponsible people breeding, just for the heck of it. I have Pyrenean Shepherds, I searched high and low to find one in a rescue or a shelter first, but guess what they are so rare, that there is only one breeder in the States and that's where I got mine from. And I am very happy with my decision. I also have a rescue, who has so many pre-existing issues, that I can never do agility with her. If you just want a pet, adoption is great, however if your dogs are athletes, then you want to make sure the dog is both mentally and physically sound. That's where the reputable breeder comes in - health and temperament tests.

What have you done to make a difference; did you try to save all those animals in the barrels - I didn't think so - It's not realistic.

Exactly!!!

[RonE]

Originally Posted by Cassie Nova

Hey, Stan, that's a good idea....maybe all urgent dogs can go in this thread?

I wouldn't recommend that.

This thread has already run to eight pages and any actual new ideas or appeals are likely to get lost in it.

Vanbum has already stated that he'll stop posting here (at least on this thread) when we stop responding to his posts. Why are we still responding to his posts?

(I hope this isn't construed as a response.)

[DogueEdaddy]

Originally Posted by RonE

I wouldn't recommend that.

This thread has already run to eight pages and any actual new ideas or appeals are likely to get lost in it.

Vanbum has already stated that he'll stop posting here (at least on this thread) when we stop responding to his posts. Why are we still responding to his posts?

(I hope this isn't construed as a response.)

Ron, while I appreciate Cassie's agreement, I wasn't suggesting that we do it in this thread. While I have seen much longer threads, I believe that some of the tone of this thread could sidetrack the real issue again. I just meant maybe we could try to be of some use again, along similar lines (minus the distractions), in another thread just for this purpose.

I know this isn't the proper forum for suggestions, but maybe a special new forum could be done, just for "special needs/emergency" rescues, like this was.

Not being argumentative, just trying to be productive and help.

God Bless All......Stan

[Cassie Nova]

The only reason I said in this thread was because there really is no place to post urgent dogs...and this board is so active that they may get hidden. I actually thought about a sticky thread, but now that it's mentioned, I think a separate forum would be great.

[RonE]

I think it's beeing considered, or would be considered if there is some interest.

It would have to be weighed against evidence that a lot of users already think there are way too many forums on the board.