[thomasina]

Originally Posted by Cassie Nova

Guys, PLEASE.

There is one major point here- we want to save dogs. I did NOT create this thread to start an argument about breeding. I created it in hopes that SOMEONE could save this POOR, innocent dog and maybe another couple along the way. I did not want to see a bunch of dead animals in buckets, I did not want to see people arguing, and I did not want people getting their feelings hurt. I wanted to save a dog. Is that too much to ask? Can you guys not take this argument somewhere else? If not for yourselves, or for me, for this dog! He needs a home, and now.

Besides, you guys are all missing something:
Everyone has different opinions and arguing does nothing- it won't change anyone's opinion and it only upsets people. I can see a small debate, but this has turned into a huge bashing of one another! Please stop. I don't want to sound like a "back seat mod"....but seeing this really upset me.

And while you guys are sitting here arguing, this dog is on death row for things beyond his control....

Yes you're right. We did get a little carried away. I feel really bad for him and truly hope he will find a wonderful forever home with a loving familiy. I will keep him in my prayers. Where is he located?

[bearlasmom]

ok, i promised myself i wouldnt answer this thread, but dang it i have too. Look, to the one living in a van with 5 dogs. Do them a favor and find them a real home one that supplies food, vet care etc EVERYDAY. You seem to have the money for a computer but no place to live? How are you working the computer? how are you affording internet. i dont know, somethings not right.

some breeders do so for profit, others breed to strengthen a breed and are trying to perfect a breed that they love not everyone is a back yard breeder. Respect breeders as you would wish to be respected unless the person is a backyard breeder or a owner of a puppy mill.

posting ads about dogs in need of rescue actually do help find them homes, believe me, i post them on specialist forums for German shepherds all the time.

[Cassie Nova]

Thanks, thomasina. He is in Ohio (Lorain County)- there's some info on the first page. Is there anyone that can pull him and foster him, please? There's an email address in the OP that you can email if you cannot pull but can foster. I think that if you do a pull however, you should email the email address anyway- just my opinion. PLEASE SOMEONE HELP!!!!

He's still available, but definitely on limited time!!!

[CrzyBritNAmerica]

Originally Posted by Cassie Nova

Thanks, thomasina. He is in Ohio (Lorain County)- there's some info on the first page. Is there anyone that can pull him and foster him, please? There's an email address in the OP that you can email if you cannot pull but can foster. I think that if you do a pull however, you should email the email address anyway- just my opinion. PLEASE SOMEONE HELP!!!!

He's still available, but definitely on limited time!!!

Cassie, as thomasina said, sorry we got carried away. I took a big part in that and I do apologize. I, in no way meant to stop trying to help this dog! I only wish I could take the little guy in, but it's not possible at the moment. My carrying on did get a tad crazy, but it was all for a good cause I hope...my point being that by helping just one dog find a home it's one tiny step closer to helping dogkind. I do hope someone can help out more than I can with this guy though!!

[Laurelin]

Sorry, I felt the need to defend you and everyone else on this forum from the remarks being made about things like this not really helping and people only 'appearing' to be involved in rescue. I think it's great what you're trying to do, and I hope something good turns out for this boy. Don't let other people saying helping one dog isn' going to do anything keep you from posting.

Do you mind if we cross post on other forums?

[RonE]

Originally Posted by vanbum

So tell me, how involved are you in the fight againt malaria? Um... not at all? ya.. I see. Just like you are not involved in the fight againt pet over-population.

Actually, as we speak, I am driving around with five third-world children in the back of my van to protect them from the mosquitoes.

Just a tad arrogant to be making assumptions about what I might or might not being doing about the world's problems, isn't it?

That van of yours must be hooked up with mobile internet access. You're sure logging a of of computer time.

[DogueEdaddy]

Cassie,

I add my heartfelt apology to the rest for allowing myself to be drawn into an argument with vanbum, rather than staying focused on the issue. Just that idiots affect me that way. I, as I said before, will pray the dog gets his perfect forever home. Wish I could do more, but can't.

BTW.....Amen Ron!

God Bless All......Stan

[dachlover]

Do you have any idea how much more time this dog has so we can let people know about him? The SPCA in my area does not euthanize. Sorry for my niavity, but is it possible to transfer to a no-kill shelter if an adoptee isn't found quickly enough?

Let's focus on trying to find this dog a home.

Actually now that I look at a map I see this is only about 4 hours from me. If someone doesn't come forward to adopt this dog, you might want to contact the SPCA I mentioned. They've done trips before to pick up dogs in various situations from what I recall. This is their website:

http://www.yourspca.org/site/PageServer

[vanbum]

Ya better to focus on that and ignore me huh? Ya I want that dog to find a home. I want them all to.

Whats my point? I will tell you. No breed of dog is more valuable then any other. Just like a black man is no more valuable then a white man, they are both men, and deserve equal treatment.

So do dogs. Oh you want to get a dog from a breeder because you happen to love that breed? Fine. Just remember the pic of those dogs in barrels. Oh but you want to further the breed you happen to like? Give me a break!

I hate people who pretend to be involved in helping rescue by claiming they rescued a dog or 2 or they worked at a rescue kennel for a month.

And ya I see some of you attacking me out of vengence, ya like any of you would go as far as to live in a van with your dogs to save them. Some of your comments were so stupid that im shocked that you didnt go to vanbum.com and find the answer yourself. I do have a FAQ page.

Im never gonna convince any of you, and I know that. Im sure you all hate the pet over-population problem and wish it didnt exist, as I do too obviously.

But my god, look at that pic of those dogs in barrels. I guess its just me who would do anything to save them. they dont deserve that. No dog does.

Oh but I guess its more important for you to have your agility dog or your pureBRED dog. And those barrels will be filled every day, but its not your problem is it? ya dont worry, there will always be people like me who will rescue the dogs that nobody wants, even if I have to do it out of a van.

Take a good look at that pic. Are those dogs in barrels less important then the dog you got from a breeder? No. They deserve to live too.

Stop Breeeding! Stop buying from Breeders! Nobody has a right to breed dogs! find something else to do with your life!!!

well, this isnt a rescue msg board, so im sure you will have a ton of people backing up your opinion, but i dont give a crap. dont try and tell me that its ok to breed, while dogs are being killed daily.

[CrzyBritNAmerica]

Originally Posted by vanbum

Ya better to focus on that and ignore me huh?

I'm sorry, but contradiction much? I thought you wanted all dogs saved, so YEAH they do want to ignore your ignorance and help this little guy find a home.

Originally Posted by vanbum

Whats my point? I will tell you. No breed of dog is more valuable then any other. Just like a black man is no more valuable then a white man, they are both men, and deserve equal treatment.

I am pretty darn sure no one disputed this argument. When did anyone say that one kind of dog is better than another? If that was your point then I think you may be confused.

Originally Posted by vanbum

I hate people who pretend to be involved in helping rescue by claiming they rescued a dog or 2 or they worked at a rescue kennel for a month.

And ya I see some of you attacking me out of vengence, ya like any of you would go as far as to live in a van with your dogs to save them. Some of your comments were so stupid that im shocked that you didnt go to vanbum.com and find the answer yourself. I do have a FAQ page.

But my god, look at that pic of those dogs in barrels. I guess its just me who would do anything to save them. they dont deserve that. No dog does.

How dare you? You really do have a holier than though attitude and it's frankly disrespectful. I plan to be, as with MANY others on this forum volunteer at my shelter for as long as possible. My life goal, as a matter of fact, is to open a rescue shelter/sanctuary. How dare you tell us we don't care about these poor dogs just because we don't live in a van with 5 dogs? And you want to tell us you care for them? What if one of your dogs got seriously ill or injured? Could you pay for adequate vet care? If you make minimum income, how are you prepared to feed them if it runs out? You said you were worried about a car payment being due soon...how do you plan to get your dogs their shots, food, toys, vet care....all those responsibilities that come along with owning a dog??

You have no right to tell us we don't care about these homeless dogs because we don't live in a van with ours!!

Originally Posted by vanbum

Stop Breeeding! Stop buying from Breeders! Nobody has a right to breed dogs! find something else to do with your life!!!

Oh yeah, okay let's have everyone just stop breeding dogs. Imagine if it was possible to have EVERY dog spayed/neutered and no dog ever breeds again...um we would have no dogs left! You mean you want to wipe out an entire species?? That's outrageous. Yeah, we do have a dog over-population problem, there are TOO MANY dogs needing homes...but stopping reputable breeders from breeding dogs will eventually wipe out the dog population all together. That is inevitable if it were possible to never breed any dogs. It's ludicrous!




Sorry again here, but this just makes me want to scream and pull my hair out! I'm sure that this was vanbum's point, but hey I took the bait.

dachlover...that would be so great if your no-kill shelter could take him!!! Have you contacted them at all?

[dachlover]

You're right, Vanbum. All dogs are equal and this dog deserves to be rescued just as much as your 5 dogs deserved to be rescued. You obviously care about dogs. So I'm not sure why you insist on taking the focus off this dog that has the potential to be rescued in a limited amount of time and keep bringing the focus back onto yourself. I think we all get that you're proud of the fact that you "rescued" your 5 dogs. Good job. Way to go.

Now let's give THIS dog a chance to be rescued. This dog is obviously not purebred so maybe you could take your issues with that to another post. If you truly care about saving dogs, then lets get on with doing so by giving this do the same opportunity your dogs had.

Anyone interested in helping the Ohio dog, please see my previous post.

[Laurelin]

Vanbum, please take this to another thread. The OP has said she does not appreciate the arguing here. It's very disrespectful that you insist on trying to drag her efforts down.

Cassie, do you have an update?

[Cassie Nova]

Today was gas day at his shelter. I can't be sure he made it, but his page is still up.

Laurelin- Please feel free to cross post away! That would be so great.

And if anyone can get him to a no kill shelter, that would be AMAZING.

vanbum- Sorry to....umm...steal your thunder, but if you want to argue, take it to a thread that's NOT trying to save dogs.

Thanks to everyone who is focusing on the dog and trying to help. I asked if anyone had heard anything about him, and I'm hoping for a quick response.

If you can do anything as far as cross-posting, emailing, whatever, do it with no hesitation- this boy is really cutting it close on time....assuming he hasn't already ran out.

[sillylilykitty]

Originally Posted by Cassie Nova

Today was gas day at his shelter. I can't be sure he made it, but his page is still up.

Laurelin- Please feel free to cross post away! That would be so great.

And if anyone can get him to a no kill shelter, that would be AMAZING.

vanbum- Sorry to....umm...steal your thunder, but if you want to argue, take it to a thread that's NOT trying to save dogs.

Thanks to everyone who is focusing on the dog and trying to help. I asked if anyone had heard anything about him, and I'm hoping for a quick response.

If you can do anything as far as cross-posting, emailing, whatever, do it with no hesitation- this boy is really cutting it close on time....assuming he hasn't already ran out.

Oh no! I hope he didnt get gased!

[Cassie Nova]

I just got the news. He was gassed today.

Sorry we couldn't help you, sweet boy.

[CrzyBritNAmerica]

Originally Posted by Cassie Nova

I just got the news. He was gassed today.

Sorry we couldn't help you, sweet boy.

Oh, poor boy! Let's hope at least a few of their other dogs found homes today!!

[sillylilykitty]

Originally Posted by Cassie Nova

I just got the news. He was gassed today.

Sorry we couldn't help you, sweet boy.

poor puppy Lets just say hes in doggie heaven now where no one will throw him out.

[CrzyBritNAmerica]

Originally Posted by sillylilykitty

poor puppy Lets just say hes in doggie heaven how where no one will throw him out.

Very true! He is in a much nicer place than I'm sure that crappy shelter was!

[Laurelin]

Poor guy. Run free!

[DogueEdaddy]

I'm so sorry, Cassie. You made such an heroic effort.

But, folks, don't you think the vanbum has insulted and interferred long enough. this person is not worthy of your sympathy or attempted understanding. If all choose to Ignore this person, maybe they will go away.

Sorry if this irritates anyone, but it is MHO.

God Bless All......Stan