No fence no dog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jen D · 11-19-2009, 02:28 PM

I am so pissed off I just got the news I can't get the rescue I want because I don't have a fenced in yard! She would have a great home, vet care, vacation with us, top of the line food, training, exercise everyday, and all the love she could stand but NO thats not good enough. When I did rescue and ran into someone like myself I jumped at the chance to place a dog there. Sorry I just had to let it all out!

RedyreRottweilers · 11-19-2009, 02:36 PM

I would have to consider the breed and age of the dog, and the history and experience level of the prospective home.

If/when I see this on a puppy application, it is grounds for me to dig deeper into the past history as far as how dogs have been handled with them in the past with no fencing.

It can be done. It can be done safely and responsibly, but it takes a lot more time and effort, especially with an active breed, and/or any puppy.

Jen D · 11-19-2009, 02:42 PM

Not an active breed basset/lab looked mostly basset and the dogs I have had delt with most of my life were American Bulldogs so I have a little bit of experience.

Labsnothers · 11-19-2009, 02:47 PM

If the dog is in the house with the owner where it belongs, it doesn't make much difference whether there is a fence or a chain out back. Dogs shouldn't be stored outside. A tether is fine for a short period for the dog to relieve itself or even choose to stay out a few hours. I have a fence now, but used a chain for a long time. Either way, the dog comes in at the first bark of any kind, and is never left out at night or when we are away. I still tether the dog out front sometimes when I am working out there. A chain can be more secure, no leaving the gate open, digging under, jumping, etc.

Maybe this will make you feel better, but won't change the rules.

RedyreRottweilers · 11-19-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jen D

Not an active breed basset/lab looked mostly basset and the dogs I have had delt with most of my life were American Bulldogs so I have a little bit of experience.

So are you able to give them history? Such as, you had such and such dogs for such and such period of time, with no dogs being lost, hit by car, etc? That might help.

labnothers, that is true with most adult dogs, but some high energy breeds, and most puppies, benefit by having a free area in which to exercise, enjoy fresh air, play, and just be a dog for several hours each day. I know that my puppies really need to burn off some energy during the day so they can settle and get quiet in the evening and sleep well.

IMO lots of free exercise is important for many breeds of puppies, especially the larger breeds, in order for them to develop properly and in a healthy manner.

Yes, this can still be done without a fence, but with a puppy such as an active Rottweiler, this would take several HOURS per day.

CoverTune · 11-19-2009, 03:11 PM

So sorry, that is very frustrating!

I wish I had a fenced yard, but I dont (haven't in any of the places I've lived with my dogs). That hasn't been detrimental to either of my dogs, nor the three medium/large breed dogs we fostered, nor the SIX Lab/Rotty pups we fostered either.

Dog_Shrink · 11-19-2009, 03:20 PM

That sux

It's hard when they won't see past the end of their noses and take other factors into consideration. On the other hand I can understand their concern with him being basset... the whole follow the nose thing. I know that we fenced a 50x50 area of our yard with cattle fence and metal post from tractor supply for under $150... is that any kind of option?

Eris13021 · 11-19-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RedyreRottweilers

So are you able to give them history? Such as, you had such and such dogs for such and such period of time, with no dogs being lost, hit by car, etc? That might help.

labnothers, that is true with most adult dogs, but some high energy breeds, and most puppies, benefit by having a free area in which to exercise, enjoy fresh air, play, and just be a dog for several hours each day. I know that my puppies really need to burn off some energy during the day so they can settle and get quiet in the evening and sleep well.

IMO lots of free exercise is important for many breeds of puppies, especially the larger breeds, in order for them to develop properly and in a healthy manner.

Yes, this can still be done without a fence, but with a puppy such as an active Rottweiler, this would take several HOURS per day.

if i can find the pictures i can show you what happens when a rottie pup doesnt get enough active time and b ecomes bored...the one i had ate a hole thru a sectional couch...

Karinia · 11-19-2009, 03:24 PM

That's really lame. We don't have a fence and we have a Brittany puppy! It shouldn't matter if you have a fence or not. What should matter is the time and effort you plan on spending with your dog.

Nargle · 11-19-2009, 04:16 PM

It's pretty lame that don't even take into consideration that many people own dogs that live inside with the family, go on leashed walks, and visit dog parks several times a week, if not almost every day.

We seem to have been getting a lot of ridiculous rescue stories lately, haven't we? I think I'm noticing a new trend.

RedyreRottweilers · 11-19-2009, 04:22 PM

It would take a special person for me to place a puppy with them if they did not have a fence.

If they did not have a fence, I would probably want to know that they have titled a dog in obedience before, and that they had successfully kept dogs into old age without fencing.

I would definitely want to know what happened to their previous dogs.

This is not lame, and it is not extreme. There are FEW people who have the dedication to properly keep larger dogs without fencing. Toy dogs, perhaps.

FilleBelle · 11-19-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nargle

We seem to have been getting a lot of ridiculous rescue stories lately, haven't we? I think I'm noticing a new trend.

It's not a new trend for people to be upset when they have bad experiences.

How many times a month do you visit the grocery store? How often do you come home and report to your family what occured there? Only when you're upset about it, right? When it's a totally normal visit to the grocery store, you don't even mention it.

All my dogs have been rescue and shelter dogs. I haven't had an experience worth complaining about.

Nargle · 11-19-2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RedyreRottweilers

It would take a special person for me to place a puppy with them if they did not have a fence.

If they did not have a fence, I would probably want to know that they have titled a dog in obedience before, and that they had successfully kept dogs into old age without fencing.

I would definitely want to know what happened to their previous dogs.

This is not lame, and it is not extreme. There are FEW people who have the dedication to properly keep larger dogs without fencing. Toy dogs, perhaps.

I have to disagree, I don't think it takes an extremely special person to own a dog other than a toy breed without a fenced yard. It may not be practical for a Rottweiler puppy, but an adult low-energy breed? There are plenty of dogs out there that do fine without yards, big and small. There are even people who manage to care for high energy breeds without a yard (Probably by providing supervised play in the yard while the dog is tethered, going on walks on-leash, and frequently visiting the dog park, like I said earlier). I have no idea what having a dog titled in obedience has anything to do with it.

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Originally Posted by FilleBelle

It's not a new trend for people to be upset when they have bad experiences.

How many times a month do you visit the grocery store? How often do you come home and report to your family what occured there? Only when you're upset about it, right? When it's a totally normal visit to the grocery store, you don't even mention it.

All my dogs have been rescue and shelter dogs. I haven't had an experience worth complaining about.

I don't remember so many people complaining about rescues a month ago, or two months ago. This isn't a weekly thing. Maybe you misunderstood what I was saying?

FilleBelle · 11-19-2009, 05:31 PM

I don't believe I misunderstood you. You believe the current reports of negative rescue experiences are indicative of a new trend. I believe they are indicative of an old one. That's the way complaining works. One person shares an experience that upset him or her and everyone else jumps in to share the same.

I am, of course, disappointed that Jen didn't get her dog, but I think it's a mistake to note a "trend" simply because people have had bad experineces with rescues at some point in their pet owning lives.

FaithFurMom09 · 11-19-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RedyreRottweilers

It would take a special person for me to place a puppy with them if they did not have a fence.

If they did not have a fence, I would probably want to know that they have titled a dog in obedience before, and that they had successfully kept dogs into old age without fencing.

I would definitely want to know what happened to their previous dogs.

This is not lame, and it is not extreme. There are FEW people who have the dedication to properly keep larger dogs without fencing. Toy dogs, perhaps.

Faith is beagle/rotti and I dont have a fenced yard at this house or the apartment we moved from. IF anything here at the house at LEAST she has a yard (front and back). She is taken on walks everytime she needs to go out, walked around the block most times. She is not left out in the yard tied up due to not having a fence. She does pull on the leash-- but has no other behavior issues and has NEVER been in a training or obedience classes. I plan to fence in the back yard BUT even then Id have to be out there with her. Id HATE that there are others like me who cant adopt a dog just because we live in an apartment or rent a house but cant have a fenced yard despite being able to care for our dogs.

ETA: doesnt it look better that we are able to walk our dogs every.single.time. they need to go out rather than just open up a back door and let them out?

Nargle · 11-19-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FilleBelle

I don't believe I misunderstood you. You believe the current reports of negative rescue experiences are indicative of a new trend. I believe they are indicative of an old one. That's the way complaining works. One person shares an experience that upset him or her and everyone else jumps in to share the same.

I am, of course, disappointed that Jen didn't get her dog, but I think it's a mistake to note a "trend" simply because people have had bad experineces with rescues at some point in their pet owning lives.

I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't around last time there was a cluster of threads about this same exact topic

Um Shabka · 11-19-2009, 05:40 PM

I tend to agree with you that those care factors should outweigh the fence requirement. And a fence is no guarantee that the dog will be safe anyway. Due to our situation, I have to keep Shabka tethered. I remember when I took her to my friends house to visit and I was so excited for Shabka cause my friend had her property fenced and I thought how wonderful, Shabka will be able to run around freely. Well it turned out to be a little too freely as the first thing Shabka figured out how to do was escape from the yard and my friend lived next to a very busy road. And I've seen lots of dogs in Canada sitting in their fenced yard and still tethered because the dogs are escape artists.

FilleBelle · 11-19-2009, 05:46 PM

What I'm saying is you can start a cluster of threads on ANY topic. I create a thread about a bad experience I had at Magic Mountain. Everyone who reads it adds their bad experience with Magic Mountain. Someone else is reminded of a bad experience they had at Disneyland, but they don't want to be OT, so they start a new thread.

Does this indicate a trend in amusement parks? No, it indicates that people like to share experiences that frustrate them.

Jen, I'm sorry to have pulled your thread off course. I just think it's important to note that, while we may all have had a bad experience with a rescue organization, we can't draw the conclusion that all rescues provide bad experiences all the time.

Nargle · 11-19-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FilleBelle

we can't draw the conclusion that all rescues provide bad experiences all the time.

I wasn't drawing any such conclusion. I was just commenting on the fact that this particular topic has suddenly spawned a whole ton of threads.

Jen D · 11-19-2009, 05:53 PM

I also told the rescue my routine which is a four mile hike every day. I also have a baseball field near by which the dog could of ran around in and a dog park. I am a certified trainer and worked rescue for years with The American Bulldog Rescue and some of those dogs can be tough to deal with. I know we liked people to have a fence but didn't rule them out, we just wanted to know how they would exercise their dog. I will just keep looking there is certainly many more dogs that need rescue.