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Old 11-20-2009, 10:19 PM   #21
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Re: Considering another dog: Irish Setter info

Nobody was bashing, just giving their honest experiences with them. I will admit I have a hard time believing otherwise when even BREEDERS of these dogs (BIG show winners and the like) comment on the breed being "dim".

To Nik, hope you can manage Apollo's diagnosis ok That stinks.
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Old 11-20-2009, 11:15 PM   #22
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Re: Considering another dog: Irish Setter info

LosinSusan- I am so sorry to hear about your loss of your irish setter! I definately know what that is like. As I mentioned before, my parents are on their fourth as well. Thats terrible you had to say goodbye to such a young one, but i am sure he is in a better place now and not suffering! (I'm sure he is playing with our 3 previous ones somewhere in doggy heaven!!) I as well had to chime in and defend the breed and agree completely about the breeding years ago compared to now.

We've never had a "dim" iris setter, I'm sure you could come across one as in any breed but just like LosinSusan said, The key is finding a good breeder and training them well. Ours have always been very easy to train and very smart.
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Old 11-21-2009, 11:09 AM   #23
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Re: Considering another dog: Irish Setter info

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Hope your dog's health problems are solved soon. I was motivated to join this forum after reading such lousy reactions to the Irish Setter. I am awaiting my fourth one from a breeder. He is only 10 days old! We just had to put down our third setter at age 2 last week. He was epileptic for about four months now and one of the medications gave him bleeding ulcers and pancreatitis. He suffered and we said goodbye so young. But I must say they are my favorite breed of dog. Fun, active, quirky yes but not hyper. Gorgeous to see running or just hanging on the couch. My dogs have all been couch potatoes. They get a good dog park run about two hours a day all at one time. And otherwise just chill. And that is true for our pups too. By age two they are mellowing nicely and regal. Those that called them hyper had probably owned a setter maybe 20 or so years ago when they were overbred and too popular. Bad lines no doubt back then. The breed came back with much nicer temperments and a calmness now. But they are a sporting breed and if you don't exercise off leash they will become restless and destructive like many breeds. I find that labradoodles and goldendoodles to be seriously more hyper. Please don't let what the others have said about the breed sway you from considering one, but be prepared that it is a love affair that might never end. They are so fun to own. Keep you laughing everyday, clowns of the dog world for sure. I just had to speak up and defend a breed of dog that I total adore. I wouldn't bash someone elses breed on any forum. It can hurt people feelings and their are problem dogs in every breed. Its all about doing your homework to find a good breeder, then training a dog properly so it knows what is expected of him/her.
Well said - we love our Red. He has a "life's great" attitude that just makes us smile. One day he will be seriously missed. But I would get another Irish Setter in a heart-beat.

I am so sorry about the loss of your dog! Losing a dog hurts deeply.

I bet that puppy is too cute. I've never seen a Irish Setter puppy before - I'll have to look some pics up on the Internet.

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Old 11-21-2009, 11:29 AM   #24
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Re: Considering another dog: Irish Setter info

Xeph! I seriously doubt any show breeders would call their breed "dim". Irish Setters are smarter than their owners. Not stupid dogs by any means. They are lovely dogs and I will end my rant now since I am new to this forum. But I take this comment so personally. They are very trainable. With a softer touch like many sporting breeds. But they are not stupid! I find they can manipulate their people very well which takes brains. They communicate their needs often very vocally. They talk often. I dare not let my setter people read this! They will freak out. I want to meet the breeders who take such time and care and love of a breed to that degree to show them and yet call them "dim".
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Xeph! I seriously doubt any show breeders would call their breed "dim". Irish Setters are smarter than their owners. Not stupid dogs by any means. They are lovely dogs and I will end my rant now since I am new to this forum. But I take this comment so personally. They are very trainable. With a softer touch like many sporting breeds. But they are not stupid! I find they can manipulate their people very well which takes brains. They communicate their needs often very vocally. They talk often. I dare not let my setter people read this! They will freak out. I want to meet the breeders who take such time and care and love of a breed to that degree to show them and yet call them "dim".
Very, very true! Coming from someone who knows the breed. :-)
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I agree with horseandhound. The Irish Setter is a gun dog. It's bred to run all day. It should be in a rural environment. It does not get exercise on a leash. Anyone who exercises a setter on leash is not taking proper care of their dog. I never owned a bench setter but I did own a field red setter. She was the best dog I ever owned. She was smart as a whip calm in the house and always ready to hunt.
Watching her run was beautiful. She was like magic. Everyone loved it. She could run miles and miles. I never saw a dog run like that and you bet I respected it. She was doing what she was bred to do. She ran and she was a great hunter. She had a huge prey drive. She was bred to hunt and hunting dogs have prey drives, lol. Anyone who purchases a hunting dog should at least know they have prey drive.
I don't understand how someone could purchase a setter and then bash their running ability. They are known for running the Irish Moors in all kinds of weather. They were bred as rugged bird dogs who could run 50-70 miles a day at top speeds. They run longer then all the setters.
Hunting dogs like pointers and setters are often not friendly with other dogs as they get older. They are bred to hunt with their owners and they want to work rather then play with other dogs as they mature. Don't get a bird dog if you want a dog friendly dog that you can take to the dog run to play. Setters are for high energy, athletic, outdoorsy people. They are awesome hiking partners.
The Irish Setter got a bad reputation because it was over bred and because AKC turned it into a show dog. The breed became very popular because of it's looks. People seemed to forget that it was a hunting dog. They were in puppy stores all over the country. They were purchased as pets and left in suburban back yards and apartments. This caused bad stress. They had no way of releasing their enegy. They ran away for days and their owners called them dumb. I would have run away also. Anything for some run and adventure says the happy go lucky red dog, lol.
Then the hunters stopped using the dogs in the field. This was the end of the breed.
It became known as an inbred, oversized, huge headed, slow dog that could no longer hunt or keep up in field trials.
They are a great breed of dog that was misunderstood and inbred because of their beauty. Any person who gets an Irish Setter should have acreage for them to run. It should beable to run free everyday. It is a dog that cannot be locked up. It is almost a rare breed because of what people did to it. A lot of dumb owners thought the red setter was bred to sit, stay and play with the babies in the back yard. It's a shame. Our country ruined a great bird dog along with many other breeds. Do your homework before you get a dog. A Red Setter needs three hours a day of off leash exercise, the same as a LLewelinn setter. Ask yourself if you can keep up with that. If not you shouldn't own the dog.
The hunters bred a field red setter in the 50's because they no longer considered the Irish Setter a gun dog. They considered it a show dog. AKC will not register the field dog so they cannot enter any AKC field trials. They run all other field trials and people hunt with them. They are family dogs but first and foremost a hunting dog. They are much more athletic then the bench dogs. Do not get one unless you are a hunter or plan on trialing with it.
I love the red setter I hope I helped clear up some of the myths about this dog. Good luck
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