[HersheyBear]

Originally Posted by Dog_Shrink

Well Hershey he is of the mindset that the only good dogs are whippets greyhounds and of course his lovely maltipoo... just search his posts and you'll see where all this is coming from... He says that only dog "enthusiats" are talented enough to own a shelter dog, that they're all turned over because of behavioral issues and that NO ONE should ever own one unless they're some sort of doggie guru... Everyone should support back yard breeders and get doodle hybrids and that the only way to tell a true pure bred dog is if it's white with black pigment on the nose and eye liner... enuff said???

one word for that. and that word is "ugh". i guess it hasn't occurred to him that there are people with larger properties who want a dog that they can enjoy both inside and outside.

[KenyiGirl]

Wow... that video goes on for TEN minutes! That is way too long for any internet video, IMO.

[upendi'smommy]

I can't resist. Because herding breeds also aren't to be trusted in a home environment.

Clearly she's about to eat this poor boy.

[Trixie]

When a maltipoo can do this:



I'll reconsider my choice of breeds.

(I really just wanted to post this amazing picture we got of her in September)

[Xeph]

My video teaches a very good lesson to a potential dog owner on the importnace of breed selection.

Doesn't teach anybody anything but how to find Tylenol.

Also, if a mainstream owner gave up a 7 month old to a shelter because it was too much to handle, why one earth would I recommend a new mainstreme owner pick up a dog that was already given up?

SO CLOSE! And to answer your question, you wouldn't because you're ignorant, foolish, and enjoy being that way (clearly).

Many people attend my kennel club that have shelter dogs, mutts and purebreds (Inga and Keechak can attest to this). Those dogs have the same issues other dogs have. Pulling on the leash, mouthing, don't know commands...they're normal

If shelter dogs were only for pros and enthusiasts we'd be in even MORE trouble with homeless dogs than we are now x.x

[Dog_Shrink]

Here's some of my killer american bulldog/boxer cross Ollie... but at least he's pure bred with his white coat and black pigment...






Look how he's killing and tearing up that couch...


Yep he's soooo active...

[Herrick's Mommy]

We take Herrick to the dog park so he can socialize with other dogs as well as have fun running around, since we don't have a yard. This doesn't mean that we don't give him his 2 daily walks. Some people may take their dogs to the dog park because they work and cannot walk them, but this does not mean that they are bad owners or that their dogs are out of control. You seriously need to stop making yourself feel good about what you are saying. And finally, what is it with you and "MAINSTREAM" dog owners?

[mikedavid00]

Originally Posted by Darkmoon

Poor Poor kids...

Since the pitbull is obviously not a threat to your child, I guess you do leave the pitbull alone with your child?

This is where the hypocracy comes in.

[KenyiGirl]

lol Dog_Shrink, I love that last picture

[Xeph]

Since the pitbull is obviously not a threat to your child, I guess you do leave the pitbull alone with your child?

Since Darkmoon is an intelligent human being with common sense, I'd wager the answer is no

Part of being a good dog owner is NOT setting your dog up to fail.

[My Dog Bishop]

Originally Posted by mikedavid00

This is why your dog is behaving at home. That was the point of the video.

Many, MANY people cannot afford the hour a day or have to drive out to a dog park.

Many mainstream potential dog owners do not undersand the imporntance of excersize in a dog. People Training For Dogs DVD basically says to excersize a hard to handle breed to resolve behavioral issues and speaks about anxiety and other problems that arise from dogs not getting enough excersize.

I would wager, that most people think you take a dog out to excersize for fun or for the dog to 'stay in physical shape' or something like that. Actually the dog needs the excersize for good behavioral/mental health so it doesn't do things like chew up the house or bark its head off.

My video teaches a very good lesson to a potential dog owner on the importnace of breed selection.

Also, if a mainstream owner gave up a 7 month old to a shelter because it was too much to handle, why one earth would I recommend a new mainstreme owner pick up a dog that was already given up? That is asking for trouble.

Shelters should be for pro's and enthusiests only due to the potential requirements of these dogs. Why would you recommend a mainstream dog owner that doesn't even understand dogs at all to go to shelter to pick out a 1 year old dog that was given up by someone else? Why would anyone endorse that?

Rescues are different and I endorse them for anyone who wants a dog as the caregiver will know the temperments much better.

Your video does NOT teach a very good lesson about breed selection. You're basically advocating the idea that shelter dogs should just be euthanized, because they're all demons with behavioral issues. You make it sound like the breeds are the problems, not the prospective owner's "cognizant" decision. I am an average person, working 40-50 hours a week, and I live alone. Well, I live alone with my dog. I still make it work with my active, herding dog mix. I don't need my dog to do all these amazing tricks... all I want for him is to be well behaved, which he is. He was well behaved when I adopted him. He never makes a lot of noise outside the dog park. He doesn't beg for food. He never chewed up anything. Heck, he never even jumps on people. I can't take credit for making him well behaved. He was like that when I got him.

I already mentioned that my dog was in a shelter. Not all dogs in shelters were owner-surrendered. Mine was actually picked up as a stray, probably because some irresponsible person let the dog escape. He had no tags and was not microchipped. The owners obviously didn't come looking for him, because he got put up for adoption. So while it may be that previous owners didn't know what they were getting into (like your not-so-smart friend with the adopted Husky), please don't continue to make the assumptions that you are currently making.

[Binkalette]

Wow Mike. Wow. I just.. there are SO many things I could say.. but it wouldn't change your mindset. You've had a dog for 10 days? Wow.. I'm impressed.. I figured by day 9 he'd be a "Bad dog" and shipped off to the shelter... Naturally this would not be your fault.

Tell me.. if you have absolutely no time for a dog.. why did you get one?

[ara28]

i have resisted making any comments thus far throughout all of the threads mike has participated in but now, I just want to say a few things.

I have had my dog for 3 1/2 years. He is my very first dog. I knew absolutely nothing about dogs before I got him. I actually didn't like dogs before I got him.

He found me. I was not looking for a dog, but he just so happened to be in the middle of the road in the middle of no where extremely skinny and covered in fleas. He was about 6 months old at the time.

I work a full time job, a part time job and go to school full time at night and on the weekends. In addition to this, my dog and I do agility, take training classes for fun, he has his CGC (canine good citizen) certificate, and we participate in animal assisted therapy (we go visit the patients at the hospitals). And here's the kicker...he's a pit bull mix.

I haven't watched mike's video and honestly I don't care to.

[SandyPuppy]

Originally Posted by mikedavid00

My video teaches a very good lesson to a potential dog owner on the importnace of breed selection.

Also, if a mainstream owner gave up a 7 month old to a shelter because it was too much to handle, why one earth would I recommend a new mainstreme owner pick up a dog that was already given up? That is asking for trouble.

Shelters should be for pro's and enthusiests only due to the potential requirements of these dogs. Why would you recommend a mainstream dog owner that doesn't even understand dogs at all to go to shelter to pick out a 1 year old dog that was given up by someone else? Why would anyone endorse that?

Rescues are different and I endorse them for anyone who wants a dog as the caregiver will know the temperments much better.

Where do you get these ideas about shelter dogs??
MOST dogs in shelters are there because:

a. their family moved out of state and it was either too hard to take their dog with them, or they moved to a place that doesn't allow dogs.

b. they are having a baby and think they won't have time for the baby & a dog.

c. They didn't realize that they would have to actually TRAIN a dog.

d. they didn't realize that they would have to take their dog for a walk.

e. novelty wore off and they just can't be bothered by the responsibility.

f. the dog was a gift that they really didn't even want in the first place.

g. they got lost.

h. several other reasons besides having behavioral problems.

The MAJORITY of dogs in shelters are there because of the owner's problems, not any behavioral problems!

And, the majority of dogs who are surrendered because of "behavioral problems" are simply normal dog behaviors that just need a little bit of simple training such as chewing or house training.

[Darkmoon]

Originally Posted by Xeph

Since Darkmoon is an intelligent human being with common sense, I'd wager the answer is no

Part of being a good dog owner is NOT setting your dog up to fail.

LOL. You are correct Xeph.

I would not leave my pup alone with my Nephew just due to the fact that I do not want my Nephew to be licked to the point where he dies from laughter/slobber.

I don't care if my dog was a decedent of Lassie, he wouldn't be left alone with my nephew. That is part of being a responsible dog owner.

Oh an guess what? I'm what most people would consider a "new" dog owner... I've only owned dogs for about 2 1/2 years now. All of my dogs have been from the shelter.

[Nargle]

Originally Posted by mikedavid00

This is why your dog is behaving at home. That was the point of the video.

Many, MANY people cannot afford the hour a day or have to drive out to a dog park.

Many mainstream potential dog owners do not undersand the imporntance of excersize in a dog. People Training For Dogs DVD basically says to excersize a hard to handle breed to resolve behavioral issues and speaks about anxiety and other problems that arise from dogs not getting enough excersize.

I would wager, that most people think you take a dog out to excersize for fun or for the dog to 'stay in physical shape' or something like that. Actually the dog needs the excersize for good behavioral/mental health so it doesn't do things like chew up the house or bark its head off.

My video teaches a very good lesson to a potential dog owner on the importnace of breed selection.

Also, if a mainstream owner gave up a 7 month old to a shelter because it was too much to handle, why one earth would I recommend a new mainstreme owner pick up a dog that was already given up? That is asking for trouble.

Shelters should be for pro's and enthusiests only due to the potential requirements of these dogs. Why would you recommend a mainstream dog owner that doesn't even understand dogs at all to go to shelter to pick out a 1 year old dog that was given up by someone else? Why would anyone endorse that?

Rescues are different and I endorse them for anyone who wants a dog as the caregiver will know the temperments much better.

If a person can't set aside just ONE hour a day for their dog, they shouldn't even own one. If you're that busy, you've got bigger things going on in your life and you don't need to be dealing with a dog. Seriously, it's not that hard to get off your butt and give up a couple episodes of Family Guy, or whatever, and start prioritizing.

Also, ever heard the phrase "One man's trash is another man's treasure?" Just because one person gave up an "unruly" dog doesn't mean that that dog is ruined and unsuitable for adoption. The next person that comes along might want a high-energy jogging buddy and would have no problem taking care of that dog's needs. BTW, Basil has had several owners, and most of them gave him back up because of his Separation Anxiety. However, when I adopted him, I took action and started trying to manage and reduce the symptoms of his SA. If you're saying that Basil shouldn't have been offered up for adoption because some other person who didn't care as much wasn't able to handle him, even though I CAN... well, I just don't know what to say about that. BTW, I'm not your typical "enthusiast," I'm a full time college student struggling to make ends meet, but I can still make time for my dog, and I put forth a lot more effort than your "mainstream owner." Oh yeah, and he's my first dog, so I am by no means and expert.

Also, your "mainstream owner" doesn't sound like a person that should have dogs. Knows absolutely nothing about dogs, and isn't willing to put forth any effort..?? THE BEST piece of advice that you need to be giving those people isn't "Don't get a shelter dog, and don't get a working breed!" Instead you should be preaching KNOWLEDGE and RESEARCH. A person will know if they can handle a dog if they do their research and find out what they can and cannot handle. And they will know HOW to handle it if they research how. Avoiding "difficult" dogs is just a crutch, and you can't expect every purebred companion breed puppy to stay perfect forever. Sooner or later their purebred, not working stock puppies will still develop behavioral issues just like any other dog, and unless they know how to deal with said issues, their back at square one and the shelters will keep getting more and more cramped.

[My Dog Bishop]

Originally Posted by mikedavid00

This is why your dog is behaving at home. Why would you recommend a mainstream dog owner that doesn't even understand dogs at all to go to shelter to pick out a 1 year old dog that was given up by someone else? Why would anyone endorse that?

If a person didn't understand a dog at all, I would recommend that this person not get a dog at all. Simple.

[Xeph]

If a person exercises a dog as they should both physically and mentally, they shouldn't have any issues, and if they DO then it comes down to GENETIC temperament.

Please stop saying mainstream Mr. Palin. You are not a Maverick.

[Dog_Shrink]

How about this crazy dog that was dumped at the shelter at 7 by his owners because he had an acl injury they didn't care to fix... he's got soooo many behavioral issues... like heartbreak...



Or this toy fox terrier that was kept for THREE years in a plastic cat carrier by his HANDLER... He's gotta be psycho...



Or this shelter reject that was able to detect my husband's diabetes going too low or too high with out ANY special training...



or this rottie pup that was dumped in a shelter in West Virginia holding a perfect stay at 12 weeks... she's certainly a baby killer



They'd all be dead if it wasn't for us... so NOW you want to tell me that only dog pros can get shelter dogs and be able to manage them???

[SandyPuppy]

Originally Posted by Xeph

If a person exercises a dog as they should both physically and mentally, they shouldn't have any issues, and if they DO then it comes down to GENETIC temperament.

Please stop saying mainstream Mr. Palin. You are not a Maverick.

haha very good xeph.