Can you explain how this can happen?

Papa Deuce · 03-26-2007, 04:26 PM

My wife and I have been trying to resue a dog - preferrably a puppy Golden Ret. For whatever reason, it just hasn't happened. We have been dog people all of our lives. We have a happy, healthy, 7 YO Aussie Sheperd. We've been at this for weeks.

We would like a dog in the next two weeks as we are on vacation, and will have a solid 9 days with the puppy.

So, my wife decided to look at going to a breeder. Well, she came across one breeder who wanted $1300 for her dogs.... Champions lines.... yadda, yadda, yadda... lots of awards.... belongs to all the associations.

Well, we can't pay $1300 for a puppy... So, the lady says she has a solution. She has a 16 month old female that has given birth to one litter. The lady says she is retiring her from breeding any further pups. We will get all the papers. The dog has been micro chipped. She is the offspring of a champion, we are told....

Anyway, the lady calls my wife and says we can have her for $300 as long as we agree to have her spayed.... Ok, that is fine.

But here is what confuses the heck out of me... She said the dog has never been educated? So my wife asks about that and the lady replies that it means just what we think it means. This dog has had no leash training, doesn't understand basic commands, but is housebroken.

This just seems bizarre to me. Can someone give me a rational explanation on how this can be?

We plan to meet the owner and dog on Thursday night.

I will go get a picture to post of the dog.... Thanks

sobreeze · 03-26-2007, 04:56 PM

Sounds like a back yard breeder . This pup was way to young to have pups already must had some welping problems. And is going to cut her lose from her breeding bitches . And that is very good for her she wont have to spend her life having pups .
As for not being trained but house broke may have never taken any time with her to teach her any thing as for being housebroke you may have to wait and see if she is or not. But she could have just let her out to go and called her in and penned her again . But she is young enough to still learn all this stuff and you could make her a great pet goldens are very smart dogs .
i would look at her parents if she dont have champ. lines in parents or grandparents she is realy not out of champ. lines needs to be closer than 3 gen. away . but that dont mean she would not make a great pet also you should ask what test were done on her or her parents like eyes,hips, ect. good luck

lovemygreys · 03-26-2007, 04:58 PM

I'd run very far, very fast from that breeder. She was breeding a dog that had never learned to walk on a leash??? How did she title the dog then? All the show dogs I've seen have needed to learn to walk on a leash for the ring. Not to mention that I thought a bitch was supposed to be 2 or so years old before you bred them.

There are sooooo many goldens in rescue and the rescue groups are often pulling them from death row at shelters. Have you filled out an app with the rescue group? Remember that a rescue organiztion is staffed by volunteers who often have their own full time jobs, families and pets. They also take vactions (spring break!) and sometimes things in a group will slow down if several volunteers get busy in their personal lives. Be patient. If you are a good dog home, they will want to place a dog with you.

Also, not sure how you got in touch with the group, but sometimes emails don't deliver or deliver to a junk/spam folder, so you may want to try again.

Curbside Prophet · 03-26-2007, 05:05 PM

IMO, this breeder is a BYB fronting as a reputable breeder. No training means she had no intent on showing or entering in trials with this dog, therefore, the breeder did not intend to test their breeding program with this dog. (red flag) Reputable breeders would also wait until the dog is at least 2 years old before breeding them. This dog is 16 months and already had a litter? (red flag) Was it an accident? Even at a discount, this dog should have been tested for genetic disorders before being bred. Ask for these records. Ask what happened to the litter. Did she sell them? How old were they when they were sold? Keep looking for red flags. The more you gather, the quicker you should step away from this breeder. It may mean you'll miss you're window of opportunity to find a dog, but I would never feed the pockets of a BYB.

If you're open to training an older dog, I would continue with the rescue search. Good luck!

siberian husky lover12 · 03-26-2007, 05:05 PM

Hmm, well that is strange. Very bizzare. Well that is so confuseing to me that i have no ida what to tell you sorry. I dont know that muh about breeding except in birds. P.S. cute puppie.

Jaylie · 03-26-2007, 05:35 PM

RUN RUN RUN from that breeder! She's chargin thirteen hundred for THOSE dogs? I'm telling you, she is a liar and a thief, and doesn't care about her dogs. She just wants to sell them for the money. SHE IS A PUPPY MILL. And I can't believe that a sixteen month old PUPPY has already had a litter. It sounds to me like the breeder just wanted to get puppies out of her, and once she did, she didn't want to pay to get her spayed, so she's selling her to you so YOU can get her spayed. And plus, I doubt that if she doesn't even know the simplest of commands, she's probably not housetrained.

briteday · 03-26-2007, 08:36 PM

Check for golden retriever rescue groups in your area (can be done on the Internet) and also petharbor.com and petfinder.com will let you view all of the dogs in shelters near you. Usually you can specify the breed you are looking for to narrow things down. And never discount the classified ads in the local paper. A lot of people, move, divorce, etc and have to re-home their dogs.

RenaRose · 03-26-2007, 10:53 PM

No dog should ever be breed at sixteen months! No dog should be breed unless it is over 2 years of age! You should report this breeder and if the dog she wants to sell you has a sound temperment then I would take her, she would be better off with you.

sillylilykitty · 03-26-2007, 11:24 PM

That doesnt sound like a very good breeder! That puppy should definatly know how to walk on a leash! Especially at 16 months. Its up to the breeder wheather to train them or not. A good breeder should ALWAYS pay for the older dogs (and pet quality pups) to be spayed. I think you should check the Humane Society and/or a Golden Retriever Rescue. It always is good to adopt!

HarleyQuinn · 03-27-2007, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Curbside Prophet

IMO, this breeder is a BYB fronting as a reputable breeder. No training means she had no intent on showing or entering in trials with this dog, therefore, the breeder did not intend to test their breeding program with this dog. (red flag) Reputable breeders would also wait until the dog is at least 2 years old before breeding them. This dog is 16 months and already had a litter? (red flag) Was it an accident? Even at a discount, this dog should have been tested for genetic disorders before being bred. Ask for these records. Ask what happened to the litter. Did she sell them? How old were they when they were sold? Keep looking for red flags. The more you gather, the quicker you should step away from this breeder. It may mean you'll miss you're window of opportunity to find a dog, but I would never feed the pockets of a BYB.

If you're open to training an older dog, I would continue with the rescue search. Good luck!

No, not red flags..... RED BRICKS!

I am sure you can find another pup who needs a home. If you wait I am sure one will show up. They always do.

Amitiel · 03-27-2007, 11:35 AM

gather all information you can about the dog offered - get a guarantee esp. including the health and return (money back) of the pet and to include a complete exam by your own vet. Then if both the breeder and pet respond favorably, then take her imediately to said vet - best to arrange with the vet beforehand - for a complete physical including full xrays. If after this you and your vet are thinking this furbaby is a good choice then by all means DO IT! She needs a better home than she has. Made the arrangements for spraying. Be sure she sees the vet, regularly.

If the vet has concerns, then return her immediately for that refund (same day if possible).

If the breeder will not give a guarantee - RUN!

Either way - consider her the rescue you were looking for

cshellenberger · 03-27-2007, 11:56 AM

300 is fair, you would probably pay the same from a reputable rescue and get the same quality of dog. As far as leash walking, it sounds like the girl was ignored and just used as a money maker so you would definately be helping, the problem is, if this is a BYB, it will still be encouraging her. You don't say where you are, but if you let us know, we may be able to help you find a reputable rescue to adopt from.

LeRoymydog · 03-28-2007, 10:51 AM

Go to the breeders house and look at all the other dogs and puppies. If she looks like a BYB then REPORT her!!! That way no other dogs will live in hell.

If she is reputable, she'll try and help you out. They look for good homes. Definately take her to your vet and get a physical and x-rays.

Either way, I'd rescue her. You wanted to rescue and this looks like a rescue situation.

Chloef_2799 · 03-28-2007, 02:54 PM

Yup sounds like a back yard breeder. 16 months is too young to have puppies and if her dogs were champions than the dog would have been trained. Most good breeders train and show their dog before breeding. They want to be sure that the bitch or dog is a great example of their breed and by showing them and winning competitions (which require the dog to have basic training at the least) that can decide weather or not their dog would be a good candidate for breeding. Even then a dog should have all the health checks and certifications against hip and elbow problems and eye and ear problems and other health issues related to dogs of that particular breed. Run away and just try to be patient...rescues sometimes take a while anyways. And I also think you should wait until you come home from vacation. Think of it this way, you get the dog have it for a few days and then leave. Might make the pup or dog freak out especially if it is a rescue.

Papa Deuce · 03-29-2007, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chloef_2799

Yup sounds like a back yard breeder. 16 months is too young to have puppies and if her dogs were champions than the dog would have been trained. Most good breeders train and show their dog before breeding. They want to be sure that the bitch or dog is a great example of their breed and by showing them and winning competitions (which require the dog to have basic training at the least) that can decide weather or not their dog would be a good candidate for breeding. Even then a dog should have all the health checks and certifications against hip and elbow problems and eye and ear problems and other health issues related to dogs of that particular breed. Run away and just try to be patient...rescues sometimes take a while anyways. And I also think you should wait until you come home from vacation. Think of it this way, you get the dog have it for a few days and then leave. Might make the pup or dog freak out especially if it is a rescue.

No... we are taking vacation to SPEND TIME with the puppy, not go away.

lovemygreys · 03-29-2007, 03:57 PM

Have you decided what you are going to do?

Papa Deuce · 03-29-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by lovemygreys

Have you decided what you are going to do?

Well, at the risk of getting flamed, I found out that we actually know a BY Breeder of Goldens.... and we trust her. So we will probably be getting a puppy on Friday night.

We have researched a TON. We know the pros and cons. We also know that we can't pay $1000 for a puppy.

We tried SO HARD to get a rescue. We applied to many places that never even got back to us. We even paid 1 place $25 to accept an application. They did a home inspection a week ago and then we haven't heard from them one way or the other. We have emailed them and have gotten no response.

So, we started this trek in November of 2006.... this is how we think it will end.