I called Animal Control to report abuse today. What next?

loganbean · 09-29-2009, 11:03 AM

Please go get that dog. The idiot isn't even home all week? Someone should take that dog and tell him that it ran away (say you left the door open or something).
Anyone who can do those things to a helpless animal has serious issues- although maybe he is just looking up to his doggie hero- Michael Vick.
Didn't Vick get off on the electrocution thing too?

moonstruck · 09-29-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by tw1n

Go to your nearest dog park. Spectate for a bit. Pay attention to the guys at the dog park. Pick one that's large, and obviously loves his dog. Tell him what's going on. And let him handle it.

Poor little thing.
You don't have an older brother? or cousin? uncle? Anyone who can straighten this guy out. I think that's all he needs.

I wish. I moved to S.F. for school and I live by myself.

And most of his family members, even his parents, can't control him. He's always yelling at his parents. To be honest, I'm really scared of him as well.

My sister suggested to go steal the dog too...but I don't know how to drive nor do I think I can go that far (2 hour drive) to get her. We also don't have any way to access his other house.

Renoman · 09-29-2009, 04:48 PM

One thing you might do is tell AC and the Police Dept about the other house. If he's there alone with that puppy... I don't even want to think what he might be doing to her when he's alone. Maybe they can contact their counterparts in that area and have them check it out as well.

GSDGAL · 09-29-2009, 05:05 PM

by choke what do you mean? like hold her by the scruff or actually choking her and sorry i worked at an animal rescue and so much of the time we'd go out to these really dramatic calls and find that the dog is fine and healthy and the owner just using different training methods.

I'm not belittling what you're saying and it sounds as though what you've witnessed is abuse...but unless the animal shows outward signs of abuse or the suspected abuser is caught actually doing it, animal control has no power to seize the animal, maybe try to get a secret video

Inga · 09-29-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Renoman

One thing you might do is tell AC and the Police Dept about the other house. If he's there alone with that puppy... I don't even want to think what he might be doing to her when he's alone. Maybe they can contact their counterparts in that area and have them check it out as well.

That and if he gets AC looking in on him at both places he won't know if someone else is calling on him. Maybe he will get sick of all the hassle and just give the dog up. (hopefully in a good way)

This man is sick, dangerous and in need of an intervention before he hurts someone or something.

mvk · 09-29-2009, 05:17 PM

Rescue Ink? Haven't seen the show just the trailers, but they look like they could handle it, maybe they have some friends on the west coast.

Mike

moonstruck · 09-29-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GSDGAL

by choke what do you mean? like hold her by the scruff or actually choking her and sorry i worked at an animal rescue and so much of the time we'd go out to these really dramatic calls and find that the dog is fine and healthy and the owner just using different training methods.

I'm not belittling what you're saying and it sounds as though what you've witnessed is abuse...but unless the animal shows outward signs of abuse or the suspected abuser is caught actually doing it, animal control has no power to seize the animal, maybe try to get a secret video

Don't worry, I understand what you mean. He was actually choking her and dragging her on the kitchen floor while she was trying to get away. She's not bruised or bleeding (I haven't really checked, but I don't think so), but she was whimpering a lot and that's why I told him it was enough and he needed to stop. I've also seen him lifting her up by the neck and he has admitted that he's choked her a few times because she pissed him off. She has been a little messed up mentally, though. She pees and cowers when she sees him coming over to her (which makes him even more mad at her) and she's been really aggressive and unsocial recently.

Renoman · 09-30-2009, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mvk

Rescue Ink? Haven't seen the show just the trailers, but they look like they could handle it, maybe they have some friends on the west coast.

Mike

I've see the trailers too.

Wouldn't you love to see those guys kickin this jackass's butt????? I know I would get a great deal of pleasure from it.

Adustgerm · 09-30-2009, 07:51 AM

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I just woke up and am feeling a bit more calm about the situation. But to answer some questions, he kind of lives with his parents and kind of doesn't. He's a commuter. We live in San Francisco and he commutes to Sacramento and stays there on the weekdays at his parent's other house. He comes back every weekend so he can go "clubbing" and have someone else babysit the dog, her name's Obi, by the way. His parents only speak Chinese and don't exactly see or understand some things that he does. They work all day and are only home at night. From what I've gathered so far, all I can do is keep calling Animal Control to be updated about the situation and hope for the best.

Here's a picture to show how fragile she really is (I'm holding her in the pic):

Do you know who babysits his dog? They don't abuse the dog, do they? If they don't agree with this dude's abuse, then maybe you can talk the sitter into giving you the dog. And maybe you can get the sitter to verify that the dog is being abused.

Nes · 09-30-2009, 11:25 AM

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...He's pretty bipolar...

My best friend tried to defend me, but his brother is pretty violent, even punched him once, so my best friend is afraid of him. I also know that no one else will report him because everyone that's seen the abuse are family members and I know how hard it is for family members to report one of their own.

He probably needs additional testing, I know we had a similar situation with a friend of hubby's (except he was attacking people, he loves his dog!). Turned out he wasn't bi-polar but schizophrenic. I think you need to talk your friend into getting his brother some help before he really hurts someone

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Elia · 09-30-2009, 12:27 PM

I know that it sounds tempting to try and take the dog in some way to save it, but if this guy is as bad as he sounds that could be truly dangerous. Just a thought...

Thracian · 09-30-2009, 12:31 PM

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She has been a little messed up mentally, though. She pees and cowers when she sees him coming over to her (which makes him even more mad at her) and she's been really aggressive and unsocial recently.

I'm not surprised. She's going to be a mess because of this guy.

I hope the dog is able to disappear somehow . . .

hulkamaniac · 09-30-2009, 12:49 PM

First of all, I would not advise stealing the dog under any circumstances. Aside from obviously violating the almighty 7th commandment, you're stealing property which is illegal in pretty much every jurisdiction I'm aware of. Judges tend to frown on theft generally speaking. You could, very realistically, end up in jail.

Second of all, a welfare check is generally a check on an individual who may be in danger or a danger to themselves or possibly others. Generally speaking, this is done by law enforcement officers. It's usually done on people who are mentally unstable or on small children who may be in poor living conditions. You sometimes see welfare checks on people who are in abusive relationships, but usually it's on children on the mentally ill.

SandyPuppy · 09-30-2009, 02:12 PM

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First of all, I would not advise stealing the dog under any circumstances. Aside from obviously violating the almighty 7th commandment,

Honestly I really don't think that would be considered breaking the commandment. Its not like coveting something and stealing it because you want it. Saving a being's life is a completely different thing.

MrsJohnnyG · 09-30-2009, 02:48 PM

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First of all, I would not advise stealing the dog under any circumstances. Aside from obviously violating the almighty 7th commandment, you're stealing property which is illegal in pretty much every jurisdiction I'm aware of. Judges tend to frown on theft generally speaking. You could, very realistically, end up in jail.

I am totally against stealing for the reasons you named.

BUT, I would "steal" this sweet little puppy in a HEARTBEAT if it meant saving her life (which it sounds like is the case). I wish I lived there... I would take her in and give her all the love and cuddling and happiness she could stand.

I'm not advocating breaking the law (in general!), but................................ I just know that if I were in this situation, I would do what I had to to prevent further torture to a sweet little animal....

hulkamaniac · 09-30-2009, 02:48 PM

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Honestly I really don't think that would be considered breaking the commandment. Its not like coveting something and stealing it because you want it. Saving a being's life is a completely different thing.

In the eyes of the law, it is not. Legally, a dog is just as much someone's property as a stereo is. Stealing one is legally the same as stealing the other.

MrsJohnnyG · 09-30-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hulkamaniac

Legally, a dog is just as much someone's property as a stereo is. Stealing one is legally the same as stealing the other.

Sorry, but it is 100% legal to kick the crap out of a stereo. It's not legal to do that to a dog. Totally ridiculous comparison.

hulkamaniac · 09-30-2009, 03:16 PM

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Sorry, but it is 100% legal to kick the crap out of a stereo. It's not legal to do that to a dog. Totally ridiculous comparison.

No, it's not. Legally a dog (or any other pet) is considered to be property. Legally, animal control can't seize a dog any more than cops could seize a stereo. Both have to have good reasons and in both cases, it is seizure of property.

moonstruck · 09-30-2009, 04:07 PM

Just to be clear, I am NOT going to steal the puppy. I've thought about it a lot these past few days and wish I could, but I'm trying to keep myself out of trouble so that I can help the dog and not make it worse.

Anyway, I called animal control today and they still haven't begun investigating and they don't have a definitive answer on when they will be doing the investigation. They said they have lots of cases and will follow up with me. It's a bit disappointing because everyday that she's out there with him, she's getting abused.

To the person who asked about the babysitter. Um...we (myself, his brother, and his sister) babysit her on weekends but on the weekdays when he's at his other house and going to school, I think he leaves her by herself in her crate. Sadly, since we got into an argument, he forgot to bring her crate (and her food) so I'm guessing he's going to leave her in the bathtub.

txcollies · 09-30-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hulkamaniac

First of all, I would not advise stealing the dog under any circumstances. Aside from obviously violating the almighty 7th commandment, you're stealing property which is illegal in pretty much every jurisdiction I'm aware of. Judges tend to frown on theft generally speaking. You could, very realistically, end up in jail.

Second of all, a welfare check is generally a check on an individual who may be in danger or a danger to themselves or possibly others. Generally speaking, this is done by law enforcement officers. It's usually done on people who are mentally unstable or on small children who may be in poor living conditions. You sometimes see welfare checks on people who are in abusive relationships, but usually it's on children on the mentally ill.

Agree with you there. As hard as it can be do "do nothing".