[peace36]

Any one here ever watch that show. Me and my daughters watch it. My husband for some reason cant stand it. I really like that show. Is he (Ceasar Milon) really that good or do they cut a lot out we dont get to see.

[Captbob]

Long thread on this forum

http://www.dogforums.com/3-dog-train...asr-milan.html (Ceasr Milan)

[Wimble Woof]

I Have mixed thoughts on him, yes it is a show... and who knows what gets cut out... there has been alot of controversy over his techniques.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...GPHL9D1N1.DTL&
I agree with some things ( his excersise, discipline and affection, in that order) but I find he is rough at times.
I choose not to take anything from that show, and do not plan on ever buying his book. The way I've been doing things works for me, Im sure in his eyes its not the right way to go about it, but to each their own right??

[RonE]

I had no idea that Ceasar Milon is a controversial figure until I started hanging out here.

I like the show because it makes me think that Esther's little foibles are not so serious after all.

I don't use the show as training videos. I use it for entertainment.

[peace36]

I actally have used his little "chush" sound when my shih tzu gets overly riled up like trying to grab our food and wimpering and barking at us while we are eating but other that that we really do not have any problems with our dogs nothing major anyway. And I do not really care if they walk in front to the side or behind me either. Me 2 dogs and five kids ranging from 22 months to 10 years old are kind of odd walkers anyway.

[threedognite]

Originally Posted by peace36

Any one here ever watch that show. Me and my daughters watch it. My husband for some reason cant stand it. I really like that show. Is he (Ceasar Milon) really that good or do they cut a lot out we dont get to see.

Of course they cut out a lot of what they film. They have to, otherwise the show would be days long!!!
I am a fan of Cesar Millan but don't watch the show much anymore. Cesar really seems to understand dogs and loves them very much. I have read posts on his site from people who are amazed that Cesar "fixed" a behavioral problem in just minutes!" Well, I'm sure that isn't what actually happened. I believe that in the beginning of the show there is a disclosure that says something about not attempting these things yourself and to consult a professional if your dog has issues. The show perceives Cesar magically changing a dog's behavior in minutes just by making that tssst sound but people need to realize that it probably takes much, much longer to rehabilitate some dogs. It takes even longer to rehabilitate the owners!!!

[Kerry]

I just saw the one with the 3-legged dog who jumped out of windows. They finally did include how long it took Cesar to get the dog to be "calm submissive". They filmed for a while and explained that 9 minutes elapsed before the leash was placed around his head. I liked that they spent more time on that story..even following up when the dog returned home after 2 weeks at the "psychology center".
But the motorcycle-crazed Jack Russell....how did Cesar get that dog so calm so quickly? He does that hand thing with the "chush" and it's like the dog magically calms down and loses all fear. Next thing you know he's hopping up on the motorcycle, ready to ride!

[sydney-the-cattle-dog]

But the motorcycle-crazed Jack Russell....how did Cesar get that dog so calm so quickly? He does that hand thing with the "chush" and it's like the dog magically calms down and loses all fear. Next thing you know he's hopping up on the motorcycle, ready to ride!

I was baffled by that as well. Something was missing from that story.

He may be able to read dogs well and instictively know what to do but when he tries to explain the dog's point of view everything comes out as dominance this and dominance that. Is every dog case really a dominance issue? And what happens two weeks, two months down the road? Is the dog cured?

His methods conflict with everything I read so I just take the show as entertainment in the end.

It's my dog's favorite show but I don't think he has an opinion on Ceasar. He just likes to watch the dogs.

[peace36]

I wonder if he has ever been attacked by a big mean dog and maybe had his crew run in to save him. and I dont mean that puny little bite like the time he was trying to groom that little white poodley dog.

[Captbob]

Originally Posted by sydney-the-cattle-dog

I was baffled by that as well. Something was missing from that story.

He may be able to read dogs well and instictively know what to do but when he tries to explain the dog's point of view everything comes out as dominance this and dominance that. Is every dog case really a dominance issue? And what happens two weeks, two months down the road? Is the dog cured?

His methods conflict with everything I read so I just take the show as entertainment in the end.

It's my dog's favorite show but I don't think he has an opinion on Ceasar. He just likes to watch the dogs.

If yo listen to the logic of what he is saying as far as the dog's attitude towards someone that is dominant ( anther dog or the owner-pack leader in the house) , and then watch how the dog behaves, you realize that he is right. I have used several of the methods he has suggested and they all work quite well. Giving a treat to a dog that is trying to rip your hand off, is just silly and accomplishes nothing in my opinion, except maybe increasing the chance that you will be bitten...

[KatzNK9]

I watch the show without fail & have all the current season's episodes recorded to my DVR. I've got last season's episodes on DVD. I've also read his most recent book. So, I guess I'd say I'm a fan regardless of all the negatives I've heard about his methods.

I do not always agree with his methods but he has saved lots of animals through his techniques or his dog psychology center. One method doesn't work for everybody & I take bits & pieces from lots of sources to come up with my own plan of dealing with my dog in his training.

[Cassiepeia]

I personally don't like him at all. I agree with him that people need to be calm and confident when dealing with their dogs, that they shouldn't humanise them and that your average dog needs way more exercise than it's getting right now....but, watching the show really distresses me. I see all these terrified dogs, "submitting" because they have no other choice. They seem to resign themselves to the fact that they have no escape and have to comply...they never really seem like happy dogs.
IMO, and it's just my opinion, he could get the same (perhaps better) results with a less physical and more positive (for lack of a better word) approach. I always get the impression that he really doesn't understand dogs at all.

The whole "dogs want to be submissive" thing really irks me too. They want to know where they fit in and what the rules are, not be 'submissive'...no one and nothing wants to be submissive, that implies being dominated by someone/something else and that's not pleasant.

Perhaps he's just REALLY bad at explaining himself? *shrugs*

Cass.

[Captbob]

Originally Posted by Cassiepeia

I personally don't like him at all. I agree with him that people need to be calm and confident when dealing with their dogs, that they shouldn't humanise them and that your average dog needs way more exercise than it's getting right now....but, watching the show really distresses me. I see all these terrified dogs, "submitting" because they have no other choice. They seem to resign themselves to the fact that they have no escape and have to comply...they never really seem like happy dogs.
IMO, and it's just my opinion, he could get the same (perhaps better) results with a less physical and more positive (for lack of a better word) approach. I always get the impression that he really doesn't understand dogs at all.

The whole "dogs want to be submissive" thing really irks me too. They want to know where they fit in and what the rules are, not be 'submissive'...no one and nothing wants to be submissive, that implies being dominated by someone/something else and that's not pleasant.

Perhaps he's just REALLY bad at explaining himself? *shrugs*

Cass.

OK, I have a question for you. Have you ever had a dog, like the dogs that Cesar has on almost every show, with really bad biting, nipping, and aggressive issues to deal with? If so, how do you handle a dog like that , when it is ready to take a chunk out of someone at any moment?

[MagicToller]

The whole "dogs want to be submissive" thing really irks me too. They want to know where they fit in and what the rules are, not be 'submissive'...no one and nothing wants to be submissive, that implies being dominated by someone/something else and that's not pleasant.

Isn't fitting into pack scenario and adhearing to rules.. submission? Force or fear arn't necessarily involved. Maybe the word people throws people off, but it's the same with the whole pet "owner/guardian" argument.

..or maybe I'm just crazy.

[Cassiepeia]

Originally Posted by Captbob

OK, I have a question for you. Have you ever had a dog, like the dogs that Cesar has on almost every show, with really bad biting, nipping, and aggressive issues to deal with? If so, how do you handle a dog like that , when it is ready to take a chunk out of someone at any moment?

Nope, like I said I'm not a trainer, I've never had to deal with a dog with aggression issues. And I certainly don't claim to have all the answers. All I'm saying is that I don't like the methods he uses, they make me extremely uncomfortable, and I'm sure, since most trainers I've spoken to do not use his techniques, there are better ways to handle these behaviour problems. CM isn't the be all and end all of dog training.

Isn't fitting into pack scenario and adhearing to rules.. submission? Force or fear arn't necessarily involved. Maybe the word people throws people off, but it's the same with the whole pet "owner/guardian" argument.

No, not the way I understand it. I see 'submission' as something that is forced onto someone/something. "...knowing where they fit in and what the rules are" is very different (at least in my view it is).
Kind of makes me think of two scenarios where 1. you have a boss that bullys you into doing your job the way they want it done and 2. one who shows you what's expected of you and encourages you in a positive manner to do it.
Personally I'd respect and work harder for the second one, rather than the one that bullys me into "submission".
But again, this is simply my opinion.
Perhaps the word does throw people off. He isn't very good at explaining things.

Cass.

[MagicToller]

No, not the way I understand it. I see 'submission' as something that is forced onto someone/something. "...knowing where they fit in and what the rules are" is very different (at least in my view it is).
Kind of makes me think of two scenario where 1. you have a boss that bullys you into doing your job the way they want it done and 2. one who shows you what's expected of you and encourages you in a positive manner to do it.
Personally I'd respect and work harder for the second one, rather than the one that bullys me into "submission".
But again, this is simply my opinion.
Perhaps the word does throw people off. He isn't very good at explaining things.

You've got a different mentality than dogs do though.

So I guess that makes this guy a bully. Oh well, if it works for them..

[Violetdogs]

Cassiepeia, I couldn't have said it better myself. I don't like him, either.

[opokki]

Originally Posted by Captbob

Giving a treat to a dog that is trying to rip your hand off, is just silly and accomplishes nothing in my opinion, except maybe increasing the chance that you will be bitten...

So if you're not "dominating" the dog, you must be stuffing him with treats? And these are the only options?

I can't help but notice that Veterinary Behaviorists and Board Certified Animal Behaviorists appear to take a completely different approach to modifying behavior.

[Chloef_2799]

He is just another dog trainer, one of many out there. His methods are different, I don't dis-like him because I think he really does beneft some dogs like the ones who have aggression problems but I agree he can be a bit rough at times. He would never hurt a dog though, I firmly believe he truly does care about their well being. He has helped ALOT of dogs who would have otherwise been put down and he really knows how to deal with aggressive dogs, that is his forte and with dogs like that you absolutly HAVE to be assertive and in charge.
One show I REALLY like to watch is barking mad. It is a show where they take all sorts of animals and show you how to help the animals and train them. It is on animal planet. They help dogs, cats, guinea pigs, rabbits, horses, I have even seen them helping a lady who had rats that would chew through their cages, and a gentleman who had ferrets that would tear everything in his house apart if not caged. There was once even a goat who was head butting everyone who would come near his area of the barn!!!

[Akita]

Well I have just used his method to get my baby to stop eating plants in the house...Within 15 minutes I was done..Trust me I did not use any Violent means and she was praised after with love and treats.

I am very dominant over my dog and I do it with her understanding it is out of love..Now what is the difference if you stand in front of the dog and make a sound and push your hand at them...Or if you put a leash on and lets say every time they go for the object yo give a yank on the leash.

I think after watching that I would not try this on a 190 lb snarling at the mouth Dobe. You need to know your limits and how much of an Alpha you could be to an animal.

Try to find this book.

How to be leader of the pack and Have your dog love it.

By Patricia B McConnell..

It is only 16 pages but has really good info..

Try www.dogsbestfriendtraining.com