Police Dogs

harleynstorm · 02-08-2007, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorina

Marajuana isn't an addictive drug. People can get addicted to it, just like they can become addicted to chocolate or gambling or video games or online forums (

), but the substance itself is not addictive. Not like cocaine or nicotine.

Marajuana is very addictive!!! It also has nicotine and some other ingredent i can't remeber that is also very addictive. I have know peoplew to say that they are not addicted anbd that they can stop any time. I don't believe that, if is not addictive then why do they have a recovery group for the drug.

On this topic about police dogs being treated cruel. I think that they can be taught to sniff out a certain smell, they don't have to make them addicted to it to get them to find. They train them to look for something like they used to train old hunting dogs to sniff someones shirt and find a lost person.

German Shepherd Lover · 02-08-2007, 05:54 PM

If you are referring to The German Shepherd dog I can only tell you that they thrive on doing their jobs. The German Shepherd is bored when he has nothing to do and is one of the absolute smartest, most loyal and obedient dogs I have ever seen. These dogs will literaly kill themselves to please or stay with the person they bond with.

My experience has been that the German Shepherd is truely a one person dog that fits well into a family enviroment and loves the whole family. They do although bond to one person and will do anything for that person.
They are exceptional dogs that can't be mimicked.

I do wish that the people training them for guard dogs would be more careful after they feed them to prevent their guts from twisting which happens all to often. My last dog had to have his stomach tacked due to that very problem and he almost died.

DOBERMAN_07 · 02-08-2007, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by harleynstorm

Marajuana is very addictive!!! It also has nicotine and some other ingredent i can't remeber that is also very addictive. I have know peoplew to say that they are not addicted anbd that they can stop any time. I don't believe that, if is not addictive then why do they have a recovery group for the drug.

I dont know what have you been smoking... but its definitely not Marijuana

FranMan · 02-08-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by harleynstorm

Marajuana is very addictive!!! It also has nicotine and some other ingredent i can't remeber that is also very addictive. I have know peoplew to say that they are not addicted anbd that they can stop any time. I don't believe that, if is not addictive then why do they have a recovery group for the drug.

You may want to ask Mr. Google about that.

Snowshoe · 02-08-2007, 06:04 PM

LOL!!!

Actually, Dobe's right. Marijuana isn't addictive in its pure form. I know because we actually discussed it in my psychology class.

Alcohol has the worst withdrawl symptoms of any drug. Detoxing from alcohol can actually kill you.

If someone is addicted to marijuana, it's because they enjoy the effects it has.

Also, remember that someone can be physically addicted to certain types of drugs after only having a little bit.

Psychological addictions (such as ciggarette smoking) often take time to build, but are no less valid.

iwantmypup · 02-08-2007, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by German Shepherd Lover

If you are referring to The German Shepherd dog I can only tell you that they thrive on doing their jobs. The German Shepherd is bored when he has nothing to do and is one of the absolute smartest, most loyal and obedient dogs I have ever seen. These dogs will literaly kill themselves to please or stay with the person they bond with.

My experience has been that the German Shepherd is truely a one person dog that fits well into a family enviroment and loves the whole family. They do although bond to one person and will do anything for that person.
They are exceptional dogs that can't be mimicked.

I do wish that the people training them for guard dogs would be more careful after they feed them to prevent their guts from twisting which happens all to often. My last dog had to have his stomach tacked due to that very problem and he almost died.

I am not saying gsd... it could be a yorkie doing thiss and i still would be against it..

FranMan · 02-08-2007, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by iwantmypup

I am not saying gsd... it could be a yorkie doing thiss and i still would be against it..

That is because of all those facts you don't have.

Lorina · 02-08-2007, 06:15 PM

Marijuana is not physically addictive, but it could be mentally addictive for some people. Anything can be mentally addictive. I've heard cases of people with OCD addicted to pimple-popping and eyebrow tweezing.

Snowshoe · 02-08-2007, 06:17 PM

Funny you should say that.

We're studying OCD and other forms of addictive behavior this chapter.

britishbandit · 02-08-2007, 06:59 PM

I also don't think drug sniffing dogs in training have their handlers light up fatties or snort cocaine for the dogs to get the scent...LOL. To my knowlegde the police don't waste their time trying to find people smoking a joint, they are more concerned about mass possesion and dealing. Which would mean the dogs are sniffing out the dry wacky tabaccy and/or plants or powdered drugs in packaging. With a dogs keen sense of smell, I am sure they could get the scent from baggies of the drug, at the most, I'd assume nothing more then opening the bag for them to sniff the open contents. (not having them ram their snouts into the bag).

I have no idea if marajuana is addictive or not, and no idea how they train drug sniffing dogs, but I would imagine it doesn't take addicting the dogs to the drug. Although I have heard they have scent sprays that mimic the smell of the drugs.....no idea how true that is.

iwantmypup · 02-08-2007, 07:30 PM

first off i dont mean people smooking anything but they do happen to worry about if somebody is taking drugs accross the border , or um airports and alls

britishbandit · 02-08-2007, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by iwantmypup

first off i dont mean people smooking anything but they do happen to worry about if somebody is taking drugs accross the border , or um airports and alls

And how is that different? It is still in some form of packaging. Drugs aren't something that are carried loose.

lovemygreys · 02-08-2007, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by iwantmypup

I am not trying to make an arguement . But I have seen and heard that they actually make the dogs addicted to majauana
and drugs so they can sniff out these drugs.

That is not fair. Its almost like your taking advantage of their sense of great smell..... They dont do that to us ! why should we do that to them..?

This has got to be the most ridiculous thing I've read in a long time. You must have little-to-no grasp of dog training and behavior. Why don't you ASK a police officer how they train their dogs. Have you ever seen it? I have...and they don't get them addicted to anything. Dogs don't HAVE to be addicted to something to work find it. You pair the scent with a toy/verbal praise/treat (My BIL's dog had a favorite tennis ball that she got to play with when she alerted) and *poof* the dog will work to get the reward. GSDs, Malanois...these dogs LIVE to work. They thrive on that dog-handler bond and will, literally, give their lives to protect their partner...and, honestly, many of the human handlers feel the same way towards their k-9 partner. I think the greatest disgrace to these wonderful breeds is to relegate them to an existance of life on a sofa. Kinda like taking a greyhound and never letting them run. Humans have created these dogs with these wonderful abilities...letting them exercise them, honors that.

Not to mention the fact...Do you have any idea how expensive a trained police k-9 is? In the many thousands of dollars. You don't risk that kind of investment by getting them addicted to a drug

For the record: Marijuana - NOT physically addictive (psychologically maybe, but not physically). Cigarette smoking - physically AND mentally addictive, like many other drugs (legal and otherwise).

harleynstorm · 02-08-2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DOBERMAN_07

I dont know what have you been smoking... but its definitely not Marijuana

I haven't been smoking anything but had a friend that was addicted to it. I guess it was in their head. If you can get addicted to choc. and gambling why is this an exception. People even have addictions to food. Everything can be addictive. http://www.teennewhorizons.com/marijuana.htm Here is what I found about it online. It says that it is physically and mentally addictive.

FranMan · 02-08-2007, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by harleynstorm

I haven't been smoking anything but had a friend that was addicted to it. I guess it was in their head. If you can get addicted to choc. and gambling why is this an exception. People even have addictions to food. Everything can be addictive.

Dee Dee Dee

Alpha · 02-08-2007, 09:07 PM

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Even though some Police dogs might help solve crimes I am totally against them . The way of training a dog to be a k9 police is soo cruel! What do you guys feel about police dogs and what they put them through and how they train them .

Its not fair
Dogs love us unconditionally they give us their all , and we make train them to be hyped up on drugs?

I dont like the idea but .. what can I do ?

Some methods chosen for SchH or ring sports can seem cruel. But not all techniques are.

Police dogs are amazing. I particularly don't feel they are treated inhumanely or that they become "addicted to the drugs they find".

As mentioned, drugs usually aren't carried around unpackaged and it's not like they allow the dog to sit around and sniff a bag of cocaine! ROFL

Usually the dog has a signal, like barking, or downing when they've found whatever they've been sent out to find. (I trained my girl with a down and barking, using household spices) If she's addicted to paprike so be it! ROFL

lovemygreys- You are so right! Dogs have an amazing sense of smell, why not put it to a good use?

Not to go off topic completely, but did anyone hear that dogs have been trained to detect cancer?!?! They are more accurate than all of the technology us humans have developed.

Certain breeds of dogs LOVE to have jobs. It's what makes them happy. I don't think a dog with a job is cruel or inhumane.

harleynstorm · 02-08-2007, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by FranMan

Dee Dee Dee

How about looking at the site in my post and you can see for yourself.

FranMan · 02-08-2007, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by harleynstorm

How about looking at the site in my post and you can see for yourself.

LOL. Half that stuff on the is bunch of crap. Like those tv ads, if you smoke you'll run over a kid. You can have an addiction for anything, you are right. The point is weed isn't addictive like heroin. You may want to smoke more but your body isn't going to flip out if you don't get it. You should have learned this in your psyc class at college.

QueenMerry · 02-09-2007, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by German Shepherd Lover

I do wish that the people training them for guard dogs would be more careful after they feed them to prevent their guts from twisting which happens all to often. My last dog had to have his stomach tacked due to that very problem and he almost died.

Gastric torsion (bloat, stomach twisting) isn't caused by what happens after a dog eats and actually doesn't always happen in regards to food. Gastric torsions happen when a dog swallows air. It's a condition that's pretty common in deep chested breeds like GSDs, Samoyeds, Rottweilers, etc. If a dog snarfs down food very quickly, they can ingest air. If they eat out of bowls that are raised too high, they can gulp air. Too much air and the stomach reacts almost like a balloon and can twist causing pain and tissue atrophy.

My 15 year old Samoyed girl developed a gastric torsion on the fourth of July last year and no food or abuse was involved. The sound of fireworks made her anxious, so her panting increased. She started hyperventilating and gulped lots of air. Because I know my breed, I knew they were prone to gastric torsion, so when the symptoms presented I knew it was an emergency situation and got her to the emergency vet for surgery immediately. Left untreated gastric torsion always leads significant pain and death. During the surgery the surgeon untwists the stomach and tacks the stomach wall to the abdomen to prevent a recurrence.

Soo...gastric torsion and stomach tacking isn't caused by abuse or mistreatment by trainers or anyone else. It's an unfortunate condition that certain breeds are just prone to.

DOBERMAN_07 · 02-09-2007, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by FranMan

LOL. Half that stuff on the is bunch of crap. Like those tv ads, if you smoke you'll run over a kid. You can have an addiction for anything, you are right. The point is weed isn't addictive like heroin. You may want to smoke more but your body isn't going to flip out if you don't get it. You should have learned this in your psyc class at college.

I laughed so much from that commercial