I read somewhere that...

iwantmypup · 01-23-2007, 11:06 AM

Someone posted something saying " You cannot judge an entire breed by the mistakes of a few of its members. If thats the case, then i guess the entire human race should be put to death because of the actions of some of people!! " I agrree...

To who does agree I do not know . I know I do.

Kerry · 01-23-2007, 02:38 PM

This quote is from the ASPCA website, which explains pit bull ownership responsibilities clearly.
I still wouldn't take a chance with one in my home. Especially with children. Any dog has the potential to bite, but the jaws of a pit bull can be particularly dangerous. http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer...e=pets_pitbull

"Sadly, pit bulls have acquired a reputation as unpredictable, dangerous, and vicious. Their intimidating appearance has made them attractive to the wrong sorts of owner—people who are looking for a macho dog and end up encouraging aggressive behavior. In order to meet the growing demand for pit bulls, unscrupulous and uncaring breeders are producing puppies without maintaining the breed’s typical reliability with people. In fact, pit bulls are now notorious for redirecting aggression from a dog to any person who attempts to break up a fight. It is a shame what has happened to this loyal and affectionate breed."

Brandy101bbb · 01-23-2007, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerry

This quote is from the ASPCA website, which explains pit bull ownership responsibilities clearly.
I still wouldn't take a chance with one in my home. Especially with children. Any dog has the potential to bite, but the jaws of a pit bull can be particularly dangerous. http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer...e=pets_pitbull

"Sadly, pit bulls have acquired a reputation as unpredictable, dangerous, and vicious. Their intimidating appearance has made them attractive to the wrong sorts of owner—people who are looking for a macho dog and end up encouraging aggressive behavior. In order to meet the growing demand for pit bulls, unscrupulous and uncaring breeders are producing puppies without maintaining the breed’s typical reliability with people. In fact, pit bulls are now notorious for redirecting aggression from a dog to any person who attempts to break up a fight. It is a shame what has happened to this loyal and affectionate breed."

My SIL lives with my MIL and they have two pit bulls, very very spoiled and loved, however I NEVER let them around my kids. I have on occasssion and only if I am right there, however I completly stopped this because one of my FIL's friends were over and the dog outta the blue just lunged at him.. These dogs were raised in a wonderful house by wonderful people and still there female almost bite someone.. They are no matter what unpredictable. I would NEVER advise someone to own one or allow it around there kids. I don't care what anyone who owns one says because my in-aws said the same thing about theres, "they'd never hurt anyone" BS!!!! There female almost did and it was too close for comfort!

iwantmypup · 01-23-2007, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Brandy101bbb

My SIL lives with my MIL and they have two pit bulls, very very spoiled and loved, however I NEVER let them around my kids. I have on occasssion and only if I am right there, however I completly stopped this because one of my FIL's friends were over and the dog outta the blue just lunged at him.. These dogs were raised in a wonderful house by wonderful people and still there female almost bite someone.. They are no matter what unpredictable. I would NEVER advise someone to own one or allow it around there kids. I don't care what anyone who owns one says because my in-aws said the same thing about theres, "they'd never hurt anyone" BS!!!! There female almost did and it was too close for comfort!

their pit buls almost bite but that doesnt mean all are going too.. .

workingdog · 01-23-2007, 07:05 PM

This is why the pit bull is having the problem their having now. Statements like these.I'm sure there is a lot of info you do not know, like where did the dogs come from, what were the parents like. I have yet to have a pit that has even came close to trying to bite.But that's because i know the line i have and the breeders that they came from and the dogs they bred. I have 6 grandkids the youngest being 2 all my pits adore them. The dogs are so gentel with them.No i wouldn't leave them alone with my grandkids, not because of the breed but i wouldn't leave them alone with any dog. Do your research frist before commenting on something out of just what you hear not what you know................

iwantmypup · 01-23-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by workingdog

This is why the pit bull is having the problem their having now. Statements like these.I'm sure there is a lot of info you do not know, like where did the dogs come from, what were the parents like. I have yet to have a pit that has even came close to trying to bite.But that's because i know the line i have and the breeders that they came from and the dogs they bred. I have 6 grandkids the youngest being 2 all my pits adore them. The dogs are so gentel with them.No i wouldn't leave them alone with my grandkids, not because of the breed but i wouldn't leave them alone with any dog. Do your research frist before commenting on something out of just what you hear not what you know................

I dont mean to come off too rude if i am wrong but are you saying... wait what did i say wrong?

workingdog · 01-23-2007, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by iwantmypup

I dont mean to come off too rude if i am wrong but are you saying... wait what did i say wrong?

sorry this post wasn't ment for you it was ment for Brandy101bbb

iwantmypup · 01-23-2007, 09:15 PM

oooh woah whew thank you...i was scared for a bit .

Thank you very much

Kerry · 01-23-2007, 09:51 PM

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Atta...%20Clifton.pdf

I found the following most interesting:

According to the Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes are responsible for 74% of attacks that were included in the study, 68% of the attacks upon children, 82% of the attacks upon adults, 65% of the deaths, and 68% of the maimings. In more than two-thirds of the cases included in the study, the life-threatening or fatal attack was apparently the first known dangerous behavior by the animal in question. Clifton states:

If almost any other dog has a bad moment, someone may get bitten, but will not be maimed for life or killed, and the actuarial risk is accordingly reasonable. If a pit bull terrier or a Rottweiler has a bad moment, often someone is maimed or killed--and that has now created off-the-chart actuarial risk, for which the dogs as well as their victims are paying the price.

Clifton's opinions are as interesting as his statistics. For example, he says, "Pit bulls and Rottweilers are accordingly dogs who not only must be handled with special precautions, but also must be regulated with special requirements appropriate to the risk they may pose to the public and other animals, if they are to be kept at all."

Curbside Prophet · 01-23-2007, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerry

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Atta...%20Clifton.pdf

One of the first lines states that the data is compiled from press accounts. Hmmm, I wonder how accurate a sensationalizing press would be? These types of statistics are hasty at best, and flawed at worst.

iwantmypup · 01-23-2007, 11:00 PM

I ws reading that pdf file and it saida " An 83-year-old victim was killed by either a German shepherd/Labrador mix or a pit bull terrier, but it was not clear " which makes me sade of course anone getting killed is a horrible thing..but they put thier case under pit bull why? because they always think if its a dog bite ..it had to be a pit...horrible hoorrible!

DogAdvocat · 01-23-2007, 11:45 PM

BSL should stand for Breeder Specific Laws. Breeders need to be regulated, not breeds.

JMO

What if breeders were held responsible for damages done by their dogs, even after they were sold? That might make them breed a little more carefully, and sell them to people that would act responsibly.

workingdog · 01-24-2007, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DogAdvocat

BSL should stand for Breeder Specific Laws. Breeders need to be regulated, not breeds.

JMO

What if breeders were held responsible for damages done by their dogs, even after they were sold? That might make them breed a little more carefully, and sell them to people that would act responsibly.

Amen to that.Breeder and buyer. Those that let their dogs get out of control are those that do not care about their dogs any way. I love my dogs and will take that extra step to make sure that they are kept safe from doing ANYTHING that might make them look bad to the public's eye.What gets me is, it isn't hard to make sure your dog is managed right.It just seem's to be an easy fix if certain laws were to be put in place.

iwantmypup · 01-24-2007, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DogAdvocat

BSL should stand for Breeder Specific Laws. Breeders need to be regulated, not breeds.

JMO

What if breeders were held responsible for damages done by their dogs, even after they were sold? That might make them breed a little more carefully, and sell them to people that would act responsibly.

If only that would happen but so many breeders just give thier puppies out and frankly dont care after... I would never get a puppy from someone like this...mosst of the breeders i have looked at want pictures at the 8 months , 1 year and something like that...

THanks all for posting by the way!

But hey I have a question toofsa ... IF there were no breeders would dogs become extinct?

OR just really low populated?

Thankiese

rrhodes · 01-24-2007, 08:52 AM

I had a Pit many years ago and she was stolen out of my yard. Broke my heart but I will say that she was one of the best pets I ever had. Great with kids and other animals and the only time I have seen threatening side was when a stray charged me...

I do not believe any breed is dangerous, I blame the owners for the actions of the Dogs. Fact is a Pit that was abused can do a lot more damage than a Lab. I was talking to a police officer a few days ago and he told me that in my area there are more children atacked by Golden Retrievers than any other breed. But I have never seen anyone try restrict the breed.

Certain Dogs have the pontential to kill or mame a person easily,.. Pits, Rotties and Akitas come to mind. But I have friends that own each of these dogs and they are all big babies that want nothing more than your attention.

atldoglover · 01-24-2007, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Curbside Prophet

One of the first lines states that the data is compiled from press accounts. Hmmm, I wonder how accurate a sensationalizing press would be? These types of statistics are hasty at best, and flawed at worst.

Everything should be taken with a grain of salt, I agree with you Curbside Prophet!

cdubb68 · 01-24-2007, 10:16 AM

I can't help but wonder what the real stats would look like if every large breed dog except the easily recognizable golden retriever weren't lumped into the category of pit bull. The stereotypes from the media are so outlandish and ignorant...there isn't even a specific breed called a "pit bull." APBT, staffies, bull terriers...those are breeds. When you have such strong bias against one breed of dog, the reality of encounters that you have with them will parallel your beliefs...if you are a APBT owner beware! If your dog scuffles with another dog, YOUR dog will be blamed, regardless

iwantmypup · 01-24-2007, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cdubb68

I can't help but wonder what the real stats would look like if every large breed dog except the easily recognizable golden retriever weren't lumped into the category of pit bull. The stereotypes from the media are so outlandish and ignorant...there isn't even a specific breed called a "pit bull." APBT, staffies, bull terriers...those are breeds. When you have such strong bias against one breed of dog, the reality of encounters that you have with them will parallel your beliefs...if you are a APBT owner beware! If your dog scuffles with another dog, YOUR dog will be blamed, regardless

its so true and sad.. the ignorance is just mad! even if you dog is like 1/100th pitbull he will be the one hurt .

cdubb68 · 01-24-2007, 10:36 AM

The ignorance doesn't even stop at the media...

The most disheartening dog moment for me was when I wanted to adopt a pit from a local shelter and they said they require a fenced in yard to adopt a pit or rott. Terrible! They were basically encouraging poor socialization! Dogs need to be walked, not thrown in a yard to slowly become neurotic. There is nothing wrong with allowing a dog to potty in a fenced in yard, but dogs still need walks.

iwantmypup · 01-24-2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by cdubb68

The ignorance doesn't even stop at the media...

The most disheartening dog moment for me was when I wanted to adopt a pit from a local shelter and they said they require a fenced in yard to adopt a pit or rott. Terrible! They were basically encouraging poor socialization! Dogs need to be walked, not thrown in a yard to slowly become neurotic. There is nothing wrong with allowing a dog to potty in a fenced in yard, but dogs still need walks.

omg gosh that is horrible....awww i am very sorry to hear thata!!