Pit bulls ( Hopefully this doesnt offend anyone )

Captbob · 02-03-2007, 10:06 AM

I live next to a dog park and there have been problems with 2 of the Pit Bulls that come to the park on occasion, to the point where people leave the park when they see one coming, including me. There have also been some really bad attacks in the county where I live, by Pit Bulls.

It is also more difficult to find a place to board a pit, because many boarding places won't accept them in the city I live in.

German Shepherd Lover · 02-03-2007, 10:41 AM

The pit bulls are so strong that they can break away from weaker people easily. If they aren't completely under control like any other breed should also be, they shouldn't be allowed in the park. The owners need to take better control and shouldn't be only charged with a misdemeaner but should face stronger penalties when there dogs attack someone.

It is my experience that PBs are a bag of muscles poored into a giant jaw with excellent fighting abilities. I no longer think these skills and abilities are needed since the invent of the gun..

On a lighter note: I just visited the Georgia Aquarium in Atlanta and what a terrific place. The whale sharks are quite a site. I assume someone in Atlanta wouldn't miss it.

iwantmypup · 02-03-2007, 11:06 AM

were thewhale sharks awsome??they sound amazing

workingdog · 02-03-2007, 11:08 AM

pit bulls should not go to dog parks and i understand why some boarding places won't take them either. They are dog aggressive. This still dose not take away the fact that they are great with people......

Snowshoe · 02-03-2007, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by workingdog

pit bulls should not go to dog parks and i understand why some boarding places won't take them either. They are dog aggressive. This still dose not take away the fact that they are great with people......

Yeah, but their owners still bring them.

The last time we were all at a dog park, Orchid was attacked and pinned by a some kind of pit, or pit mix, or AmStaff...Honestly, I have trouble telling them apart.

Anyway, his owner was like, "Oh, Bruno! Stop that!" and sort of stood around, wringing her hands.

My boyfriend got a big stick and broke up the fight. The owner got angry at HIM for using a stick to break up the fight, but my bf's not one to take things sitting down.

He was like, "Lady, if you had control of your dog, I would never have had to break up the fight. And, I don't know your dog from Adam! I certainly wasn't going to let him kill our dog just because YOU can't control him."

The lady actually apologized at that point, and admitted that she shouldn't have brought him.

Samantha · 02-03-2007, 11:48 AM

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What's your take on them ? Im just asking because the next door neighbor just got one and i don't know to much about them ? Seem's like a nice puppy just hyper like ours ha

To me, Pit Bulls get a bad reputation because of things you see on TV, and the way people have them made out to be.
They're used for illegal dog fighting *Shrug* and this is what brings their bad nature behind them.

Pit Bulls are GREAT dogs if as everyone has said trained properly, and around people and taken out to public places often.
If you're close with her I recommend letting her know this as well, that Pit Bulls are no easy task, they're strong and protective dogs!!!
And if not trained right, can snap! They're not dogs that should be tied up outside all day, or left in a crate 24/7. They're dogs that like to do things, walks, drives, the dog park (while the puppy is young, and later if its stable enough). These are all things that your neighbor should do at the earliest stage of the puppies life.

But they are great dogs, and I love them!

Also! The dog should be neutered ASAP, especially if it's a boy! This changes its attitude on a lot of things, and makes for a better, happier dog. Not to mention all the health benifits!

I would also recommend training classes for the dog!

German Shepherd Lover · 02-03-2007, 11:48 AM

"iwantmypup were thewhale sharks awsome??they sound amazing "

Yes, they were awesome to say the least. I wish I could figure a way to paste an image into this post but I can't figure out how. Also I don't know how others have boxed quotes... Any help will be appreciated.

"workingdog pit bulls should not go to dog parks and i understand why some boarding places won't take them either. They are dog aggressive. This still dose not take away the fact that they are great with people...... "

Man you dog looks strong... That is a real exhibit of what the dog is capable of. I also respect your honest accessment of the breed and sincere warnings to what to expect of the PB..

I wish the breed didn't have so many bad apples........probably human induced!

Captbob · 02-03-2007, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by German Shepherd Lover

"iwantmypup were thewhale sharks awsome??they sound amazing "

Yes, they were awesome to say the least. I wish I could figure a way to paste an image into this post but I can't figure out how. Also I don't know how others have boxed quotes... Any help will be appreciated.

"workingdog pit bulls should not go to dog parks and i understand why some boarding places won't take them either. They are dog aggressive. This still dose not take away the fact that they are great with people...... "

Man you dog looks strong... That is a real exhibit of what the dog is capable of. I also respect your honest accessment of the breed and sincere warnings to what to expect of the PB..

I wish the breed didn't have so many bad apples........probably human induced!

The situation that happens alot is when a Pit Bull attacks a dog that is being walked by it's owner, and when the owner tries to defend his dog, he in turn get's bitten by the Pit Bull. The big problem with that breed is once they clamp down on you, or your pet, they will not let go. That is why I try to avoid being near one with my dog..

Cheetah · 02-03-2007, 03:36 PM

I think they are beautiful. One of my favorite breeds. But I also think it takes a special kind of person to own one - they're not for everybody, and CAN be dog-aggressive, especially if they're from the wrong lines. I'd love to own one, but I know that I'm not ready to just yet. If I ever did get one, I'd probably get one that was older than 2 years from a rescue.

workingdog · 02-03-2007, 04:25 PM

workingdog pit bulls should not go to dog parks and i understand why some boarding places won't take them either. They are dog aggressive. This still dose not take away the fact that they are great with people...... "

Man you dog looks strong... That is a real exhibit of what the dog is capable of. I also respect your honest accessment of the breed and sincere warnings to what to expect of the PB..

Thank you, One thing that can not be done is hiding your head in the sand if you own a pit bull. I'm the frist one to admit, if given a chance i'm sure one of my pits would go after another dog, there for i give them NO chance to ever be able to do so. I would never take them to a dog park. I could keep my dogs on a good strong lead but some other person's dog could come over to my dog and bang there ya go. In the news again. Pits are very active you need to give them something to do, they need to tire them selfs out daily. A tired pit is a happy pit.

Wimble Woof · 02-03-2007, 04:30 PM

I have never owned a pitbull ( and most likely never will, not because I have a problem with them, but rather they just arent my breed of choice)
I admire the good owners ( we all know what I mean there I hope) and also believe only very experienced dog owners should have them, they are not a breed for everyone... by a long shot ( however most breeds arent for everyone)
I respect Pitbulls and AmStaffs, and do not buy into "media hype" about them. My dogs had met their first ever Pit this past summer at camp, and low and behold, since she was from great lines and socialized and raised properly she did great with all 4 of my dogs. Yes they are known to be dog aggressive, but I strongly believe that not every one of them are.
*to express the amount of responsible this gurls owner was... she came to visit armed with her dogs muzzle (province wide law here) and asked if everyone was comfortable with her gurl being muzzle free. Every single one of the people who were around ( approx a dozen people)... to me that shows how she respects fears that people may have of her dog and proves as a responsible owner... that and the fact that the dog was so well behaved **

Alpha · 02-03-2007, 05:15 PM

As some of you know, I have an APBT.

He's a year and a half and the sweetest most cuddly thing you'll ever encounter. I've been told not to leave him alone with my bitch because he will kill her someday.

Horse sh*t. I've been told once he hits 2 years old he'll become a dog eating menace. BS. I've been warned and warned again that because APBT were bred to fight other dogs he WILL eventually be DA.

I strongly disagree. My main point to the arguement is not every dog, from every breed does exactly what they were bred to do. Ex) Goldens/labs retrieve, GSD's protect, Border's herd etc.

With that being said, I'm not naive. I'm always very cautious with him and I don't totally dismiss the idea of him being dog aggressive. But in the same breath, I will not label my dog something that he is not.

Pitbulls can be great dogs like any other breed. "Bad" pitbulls can either be a direct result from environment or genetic disposition. The majority of bad pitbulls IMO are the result of their environment. With owners who are ignorant and have no intention of educating themselves, or spending the time or money required to put basic NECCESSARY training into any breed of dog, let alone the pitbull who sadly already has a terrible reputation.

workingdog · 02-03-2007, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpha

As some of you know, I have an APBT.

He's a year and a half and the sweetest most cuddly thing you'll ever encounter. I've been told not to leave him alone with my bitch because he will kill her someday.

Horse sh*t. I've been told once he hits 2 years old he'll become a dog eating menace. BS. I've been warned and warned again that because APBT were bred to fight other dogs he WILL eventually be DA.

I strongly disagree. My main point to the arguement is not every dog, from every breed does exactly what they were bred to do. Ex) Goldens/labs retrieve, GSD's protect, Border's herd etc.

With that being said, I'm not naive. I'm always very cautious with him and I don't totally dismiss the idea of him being dog aggressive. But in the same breath, I will not label my dog something that he is not.

Pitbulls can be great dogs like any other breed. "Bad" pitbulls can either be a direct result from environment or genetic disposition. The majority of bad pitbulls IMO are the result of their environment. With owners who are ignorant and have no intention of educating themselves, or spending the time or money required to put basic NECCESSARY training into any breed of dog, let alone the pitbull who sadly already has a terrible reputation.

You should never leave a pit alone with another dog(never) A pit dose not need a reason to fight. It will happen some day to you if you leave him alone with another dog. A pit will fight over the dumbest thing and then can turn around and be best buddies again with the dog it just jumped. If a fight ever breaks out when you are gone, you could come home to a dead dog or a pretty messed up one. Just because it hasn't happened yet, dose not mean it won't.Not a chance i would like to take.

bearlasmom · 02-04-2007, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by workingdog

You should never leave a pit alone with another dog(never) A pit dose not need a reason to fight. It will happen some day to you if you leave him alone with another dog. A pit will fight over the dumbest thing and then can turn around and be best buddies again with the dog it just jumped. If a fight ever breaks out when you are gone, you could come home to a dead dog or a pretty messed up one. Just because it hasn't happened yet, dose not mean it won't.Not a chance i would like to take.

i agree with working on this issue. our pit is a big baby but will growl and snap at our gSD or my daughters chihuhua just because they leaned against him. He will growl at the other dogs all the time for licking his face or just being in the room and he is trying to demand the attention. you can never leave ANY PIT ALONE WITH ANOTHER DOG, no matter how gentle you think they are. as they age they develop dementia like our is and you can no longer trust them the same old way and they become increasingly clingy sometimes to the point of getting under your feet and tripping you

workingdog · 02-04-2007, 01:21 AM

Iv'e seen it many times. We know a guy that would feed his male and female in the same kennel and we tryed telling him that it was just a matter of time, of corse all he could say is ( oh no!) not them, they love each other. One day they got in to it and allmost killed each other. People owning pits need to be more educated, this is not good for the pit. I'm tierd of hearing not my pit, he/she would never fight. Get your heads out of the sand. They are what they are( fighting dogs) some more than other's but do not take the chance.

CrzyBritNAmerica · 02-04-2007, 01:14 PM

I'm sorry to disagree, but this is not true. In almost all cases of dog aggressive pits it's because 1) they are neglected, 2) they are trained to fight....the chance of a pit that you have raised and loved turning on another dog out of absolutely no where is the same as a rottweiler, GSD, doberman, chow, ANY other breed suddenly turning on another dog. We have a pit mix and we actually didn't get her until she was 1 1/2 and she doesn't have an ounce of aggression in her. In fact she got attacked by a husky mix a few months ago and she just lay there and peed all over the place and took the attack! The reason people are afraid of them is because PEOPLE breed them for fighting, but if they are raised right there is as much chance they will turn 'bad' as any other dog...any dog that has been neglected, abandoned, starved, beaten, or abused in any way has a chance of turning against people and other dogs and becoming aggressive. My pit mix has been around another dog for almost year and now we have 2 cats, we've had my 3 month old nephew here tons and she loves him, she is constantly at the dog park and they can really be the sweetest dogs! Every pit I have met at and away from the dog park has had the honor of having great owners and they have been some of the sweetest dogs I've ever been around. It's the owners and not the breed, and it's totally unfair to bash a breed for what people have done to them.

But to be fair and in the case of your neighbors pit bull, I would definitely suggest that you watch out for how the dog is being treated. Ask them if it has had aggression problems towards other dogs and see how it reacts with your dogs through the fence. I would just keep an eye out for them and try to distinguish if they are the kind of people that would mistreat or train it to be a fighter. There is no denying that if it is going to be trained to protect then it will and they can be mean dogs just like any other more aggressive breeds. But just keep an eye out and a taller fence is probably a good idea here to keep your babies safe!!

workingdog · 02-04-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CrzyBritNAmerica

I'm sorry to disagree, but this is not true. In almost all cases of dog aggressive pits it's because 1) they are neglected, 2) they are trained to fight....the chance of a pit that you have raised and loved turning on another dog out of absolutely no where is the same as a rottweiler, GSD, doberman, chow, ANY other breed suddenly turning on another dog. We have a pit mix and we actually didn't get her until she was 1 1/2 and she doesn't have an ounce of aggression in her. In fact she got attacked by a husky mix a few months ago and she just lay there and peed all over the place and took the attack! The reason people are afraid of them is because PEOPLE breed them for fighting, but if they are raised right there is as much chance they will turn 'bad' as any other dog...any dog that has been neglected, abandoned, starved, beaten, or abused in any way has a chance of turning against people and other dogs and becoming aggressive. My pit mix has been around another dog for almost year and now we have 2 cats, we've had my 3 month old nephew here tons and she loves him, she is constantly at the dog park and they can really be the sweetest dogs! Every pit I have met at and away from the dog park has had the honor of having great owners and they have been some of the sweetest dogs I've ever been around. It's the owners and not the breed, and it's totally unfair to bash a breed for what people have done to them.

But to be fair and in the case of your neighbors pit bull, I would definitely suggest that you watch out for how the dog is being treated. Ask them if it has had aggression problems towards other dogs and see how it reacts with your dogs through the fence. I would just keep an eye out for them and try to distinguish if they are the kind of people that would mistreat or train it to be a fighter. There is no denying that if it is going to be trained to protect then it will and they can be mean dogs just like any other more aggressive breeds. But just keep an eye out and a taller fence is probably a good idea here to keep your babies safe!!

You better educate your self about pits. I have had them forever and yes we have had a few battles and it wasn't because they were tought to fight or as you say (neglected) They were bred that way. The most loving of pits will fight. As i sit here i can feel my blood boiling. I just can't beleive some people. No wonder my beloved breed is in trouble. You have a pit mix and i thank god that you don't have a purebred pit.

lovemygreys · 02-04-2007, 07:32 PM

My general rule of thumb: don't try to fight a dog's genetics. Its the reason our greyhounds are never trusted off leash in an unfenced area...selectively bred for generations to give chase, no amount of recall training can be 100% reliable with a greyhound (IMHO). Their thinking is chase first, ask questions later.

Seems to me that trusting a breed unsupervised with another dog when that breed has been selectively bred for generations specifically FOR dog aggression (and subsequent bad breeding that has resulted in indiscriminite aggression in some lines) is, in a word, foolish. Actually two words: extremely foolish. I have to agree with workingdog on this one.

CrzyBritNAmerica · 02-04-2007, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by workingdog

You better educate your self about pits. I have had them forever and yes we have had a few battles and it wasn't because they were tought to fight or as you say (neglected) They were bred that way. The most loving of pits will fight. As i sit here i can feel my blood boiling. I just can't beleive some people. No wonder my beloved breed is in trouble. You have a pit mix and i thank god that you don't have a purebred pit.

Well that I do find offensive, I have studied and am constantly studying pits and I do know a lot about them so I don't appreciate that attitude!! I know that pits are bred to fight, but NOT ALL pits will fight or even be aggressive. Have you ever talked to anyone who deals with pit aggression. Cesar Millan for instance, is a dog rehabilitator and dogs may be bred to fight but that does not mean they will unless they aren't properly socialized. Some may, but it doesn't mean that all pits will be aggressive or want to fight. Dobermand, sheperds and Rottweilers are bred to be strong and to be guard dogs or protectors, but that doesn't mean that they will attack any person for no reason. It's just not the nature of the animal to do that if they haven't been trained or programmed to do it.
Don't think for a second that I assume pits can be 100 percent gentle and non-aggressive, but MY point here is that ANY breed can suddenly become violent, it is not just pits.

workingdog · 02-04-2007, 10:30 PM

I'm not going to battle with you. I can tell by your post that i would be wasting my time and i'm just to busy. I just hope that if you ever get a pure bred pit, that you do not leave it alone with any other dog. Just a word of advise. I won't be the one digging the hole to bury your dog or if your lucky i won't be paying a huge vet bill. Have a nice day....