[Captbob]

Just a question. How come some posts, contain sentences that look like paragraphs. Each sentence is separated from the previous one by a line space. Is that a problem with the forum software?

[vanbum]

I'm not give any merit to your personal attacks agaisnt be because I an see a few of you are only doing it out of vengance. Ive said something that huirts you so etc....

Im sure there are some of you here who are involved in rescue -and thats great - But you dont speak for the other 4,398 members of this board do you?

The breeding issue is one Ive seen debated many time, and all breeders say the same thing "oh, were responsible breeders so its ok!"

No, its not ok and heres why:



I dont want to live in a van with 5 dogs, I wish there was not a need to.

I know a couple homeless people who live under a bridge with 3 dogs and I know they get drunk and beat on them because ive seen them do it. I know a black homeless couple who have a kitten on a leash and if the kitten walks in the wrone direction she slaps it with her hand repeatedly and yells "better behave cause mamma's gonna tat! Mamas gonna tat!"

Trust me, my dogs live at disneyland compared to what I have witnessed. And until some of you decend from your state of denial then its going to continue to happen.

Oh but you want a purebread cause they are prettier and you want to help preserve the bloodline right? Tell that to the animals in the barrels.

Stop breeding. And then my dogs wont have to live in a van.

[Curbside Prophet]

Vanbum, I don't think you could pick out a reputable breeder if your freedom depended on it. You've lumped them all together as being bad, and you're blaming them all for the over population problem. It's true, BYB's and puppymillers, and puppy brokers are bad, and many of these dogs end up in those barrels - however, if people would be less ignorant about the breeding issue, you wouldn't have any dogs to confine in a van. It's kind of futile to blame everyone without being hypocritical, don't you think? You yourself have worked for a BYB, aren't you part of the problem too? Didn't you contribute to one of those dogs being euthanized? How is my dog, who willingly asks for agility play, contributing to a breeding problem? It doesn't. Her puppymill breeder is the problem. The fact that people buy from these puppymill breeders is the problem. My motto has always been, breeders are considered irresponsible until proven otherwise. You don't know anything about those that prove otherwise, and to include them is shameful.

Originally Posted by Captbob

Just a question. How come some posts, contain sentences that look like paragraphs. Each sentence is separated from the previous one by a line space. Is that a problem with the forum software?

I'm guessing it's the OP's style, or pause for thought.

[Maril]

Vanbum. posted to you before, didn't have time to catch up on all 200+ post, but will later. Whatever 'sins' you may have committed, I hold with my respect that you love and are doing the best you can for your dogs, and have not abandoned them. I am a spay and neuter fanatic. I have one BYB dog and 10 rescues. I bred and showed dogs for about 10 years. I had a BIS Champion Dane bitch I bred twice in her life. Her brother was the top Working Dog in the country, and 4th ranked all breed. Her sire was the
4th ranked working dog. I trialed and bred Jack Russels and Patterdale Terriers. I bred responsibly and placed pups carefully to show and pet homes. When I woke up to 'the problem' as you so painfully illustrated (my tears have not dried) i stopped breeding anything for any reason, including horses. Someone has to continue the breeding of quality dogs, but it won't be me. There will always be cruel, stupid, irresponsible people. Too bad we can't euthanize them.

Wow, VanBum, you did step in it. I know you heart is open, but you need to do the same with your mind. There's good and bad everywhere. At least they are fed and cared for, even if they don't have perfect owners. An unhappy dog will NOT show. We had a beautiful Dane bitch who hated shows. We tried twice, and took her home to be a beloved pet. Our other two Champions I carried in my vehicle, they slept in the motel bed with me, and we had a ball. They loved their handlers, even though they were handed to them before the class, and handed back to me after. Dogs know. Always. They would not go in and show with a person they were afraid of or uneasy with. I had 6 Danes and an Irish Wolfhound, all treasured members of the family, and I was a breeder and I showed dogs. I was also very cramped at bedtime...

[Alpha]

Your dogs live in Disneyland compared to others?

While take this into consideration: (I am very sorry about the situation your in, but it appears that you have brought what's coming upon yourself, I trully do hope you do take good care of your dogs but...)

My dogs life (Yes, it includes work, work that they LOVE to do, and yes both were s/n at 6 months of age)

Both have TWO doggy beds, one for the bedroom and one for the living room. (I can fit in ROxy's quite comfortably it's THAT big)

Some breakfast, maybe some duck and sweet potatoe, venison, chicken, lamb, tuna or beef. Who knows! Depends on what they had yesterday, we change it up!

Wash it all down with some mineral water, nope, my dogs don't drink tap water.

Some grooming, with mink oil.

Countless toys, more than I've seen in some households that actually have children! LOL

Yummy, smoked bones galore.

Off leash walks in a beautiful conservation area.

School, yep work. ANd they love it!

A fireplace, Hades *love* it, that's actually where we have to move his living room bed most of the time.

And so on and so forth.

I'm not in denial and I don't think I'm a mean person.

But the comments you have made did offend me. And I'm trully sorry that I have to pick on your situation, but that appears as to what it's come to.

I'm a horrible dog owner because my DOGS like to WORK.

Well if your dogs live in Disneyland, compared to mine, they must basically be in heaven, excluding the dead part.

[Laurelin]

Vanbum, I think it's funny how you can sit here and say very insulting things to virtually every member of this board, including personal attacks on other peoples' lifestyles. Yet when someone brings up the fact that they disagree with what you are doing with your dogs, obviously they're only saying that because they're mad.

I don't care what you think about showing- like it, don't like it, whatever. It's when you start rolling out the BS that it gets annoying. You keep inferring things or stating 'facts' that have NO truth in them whatsoever in regards to the responsible people who show and breed- and yes, there are A LOT of them. These 'facts' are NO reason to dislike dog showing because they aren't valid. If you're going to be against something at least be against the truth and not some 'facts' you made up to justify the way you feel. It reeks of PETA, I'll agree.

Things like implying show rejects are routinely dumped. Or that we use abusive methods to 'force' our dogs into the ring. Or that Vivi the whippet was running from her abusive life as a show dog when you don't even know her owners/breeders/handlers- and that is a very personal attack about a particular person you don't know. Or that people stick their dogs in crates in the backs of pickup trucks without a care. Or perhaps calling all show onwers 'rich clowns'.

Yet you say we're getting pesonal.

Even the people in my breed that I don't like and don't agree with at all are not as you'd describe them.

[Chloef_2799]

Sorry to say vanbum but someone who lives under a bridge and has a kitten on a leash and says things like "mommas gonna tat" probably is not all there mentaly and is living under the bridge in a cardboard box for a reason. Because the government has gotten rid of the places that would care for and help people like them live a better life (atleast in Canada but I think you live in the states and I don't know what the policies on the mentally ill people are over there very well but I can't imagine they are any better than Canada's).
I rescued both of my dogs. I rescued Chloe and her siblings at six weeks old and had both her parents fixed because their owner didn't have the money or the means to bring them to a vet. I rescued Sadie when I found her and her brother duct taped inside a cardboard box in the field behind my house in a pile of snows under some bushes. So yes I do care about them. I wouldn't have left them there even if someone had payed me and neither would you if you had seen what I had.
People tend to train their dogs not to enslave them or to "descipline" them but because dogs are like kids, they need a little bit of guidance here and there. And most dogs enjoy obedience and agility because it gives them times to burn off steam and run around with their people. Dogs are pack animals and their people are viewed as part of their pack so I happen to be of the opinion (and I am sure many will agree with me) that it will be a long time comming before we can turn all dogs free and have them not associate with people......because to put it simply they like us.
The deaths of the cats and dogs in the barrels is not caused by ethical and reputable and caring breeders. It is caused by morons who don't spay/neuter their pets and then don't bother to take responsibility for the babies that are born because of their idiocy. Those are the people who need to be punnished.
And I am sure those people would hardly agree with you cooping your dogs up into the back of you van. Sure you care about them and won't dump them in a shelter but come on their life could be SO much better.

[Alpha]

Sorry to say vanbum but someone who lives under a bridge and has a kitten on a leash and says things like "mommas gonna tat" probably is not all there mentaly and is living under the bridge in a cardboard box for a reason.

I know this wasn't meant to be funny... maybe I'm just evil, but I'm getting a good laugh out of it!

[LoveMyYuffie]

Originally Posted by Alpha

I know this wasn't meant to be funny... maybe I'm just evil, but I'm getting a good laugh out of it!

I am also

[siberian husky lover12]

vanbum-

Omg Thats Sick! I Hate People Who Do That!

[sillylilykitty]

......................This makes me mad

How can you say all Breeders are bad? Thats equal to saying all white people will kill you and steel your land. Or all black people do/deal drugs. And even like saying all Pit Bulls wanna kill every living thing they see. I really REALLY dont like BYB and puppy mills, but I have worked for a breeder and have met many that absolutly LOVE their dogs/cats and want the absolute BEST for them.

[vanbum]

im not gonna hijack this topic any longer - i see there is already a topic about this called "the breeding issue". its a sticky topic - im gonna post my thoughts there. but not tonight - im in a hotel room, my first in 5 months.

"indepenence day" is on TV and im gonna sit back and have a non-stressful evening.

So anyone who wants to argue the breeding issue with me- i will see you there in that topic lator on.

[CrzyBritNAmerica]

Originally Posted by vanbum

im not gonna hijack this topic any longer - i see there is already a topic about this called "the breeding issue". its a sticky topic - im gonna post my thoughts there. but not tonight - im in a hotel room, my first in 5 months.

"indepenence day" is on TV and im gonna sit back and have a non-stressful evening.

So anyone who wants to argue the breeding issue with me- i will see you there in that topic lator on.

Question...I would like to know what hotel allowed you to bring your FIVE dogs in the room? Please tell me they are not sleeping in your van alone?

Not to be rude...but I am really curious.

[lovemygreys]

We've had up to six of our dogs at Red Roof Inns and LaQuinta's. They are very dog friendly and have always welcomed our greyhounds

[vanbum]

well, this hotel is a fleabag lol - theres an extention cord running across the wall to power the AC, half the power outlets dont work and the broken windows are repaired with duct tape. So the owner is willing to put up with stuff the nice hotels wouldnt. I told him I would only bring one dog at a time in but last night I had 2. The hotel happens to be next to a large dirt field that I can let the dogs out to run for a while.

Im not gonna try and have all 5 in the room but I will rotate them so they all get to come in and lay on the bed and relax.

Ive got the room for one more night - i really shouldnt - i cant afford it but its soooo nice to live normally for a day or 2. If I dont find some odd jobs im gonna be walking around collecting cans for sure. My vans registration is due on the 8th. ack.

i just took this pic:



sleepy dobie! Arial is old and blind. I wish I could provide her a life like this for the rest of her years.

vanbum.com

[LeRoymydog]

2 of the cutest pittie pics. he is my sister Pitbull, Luke. Very much a lap dog. He doesn't look mean or scary at all, does he?

[CrzyBritNAmerica]

Originally Posted by LeRoymydog

2 of the cutest pittie pics. he is my sister Pitbull, Luke. Very much a lap dog. He doesn't look mean or scary at all, does he?

Aww she reminds me of my Bridgette!

[GoodBullyLLC]

Originally Posted by Kerry

After all I've read about breeders, there is NO WAY I would ever get a pit bull and would not like one being next door.

If I can't even get a "reputable" breeder to figure out how to produce healthy Golden pups, how would I ever trust someone to produce a pit bull that isn't prone to aggressiveness? The whole business is pretty shady to me. Apologies to those of you who are truly good at what you do...
"Bad dogs, bad owner", etc. Yes, that is partly correct. But I wouldn't trust that a "good owner" would be able to overcome any genetic traits. Pit bulls are powerful animals and can turn without a moment's notice. Everyone always says, "Oh, not my dog. He's a sweetheart." Yeah, right.

"can turn without a moments notice"

Ignorance is still killing pit bulls I see.

Originally Posted by German Shepherd Lover

Personally I see absolutely nothing appealing about the PB's. They appear to me as a well below average looking dog that is made of pure muscle and is a perfect fighting machine.

I personally just don't see any reason for having one unless you are tryng to protect yourself from other dogs.

Don't be too fast to think I single out PB's because I also find very few dogs as beautiful as the German Shepherds that I have had.

Any dog can be made mean and the people that train and raise them certainly are important but it is my opinion that the PB is the perfect terminator and I wouldn't want my child alone with one. I have friends that have many PB's and they love them and I can tolerate them when visiting but I never feel comfortable. I can handle any German Shepherd but the PB is one strong muscle with vice-grip jaws without a tail to alert you to it's moods.

I'm partially convinced that you don't know what a pit bull looks like.

[bearlasmom]

i cant believe simple minded responses like this. "i wouldnt leave my pitbull with a child"

YOU SHOULDNT LEAVE A CHILD WITH ANY DOG. animals and children should always be suprevised no matter what type of animal it is. who ever said pits dont have tails? Mine certainly does as does every other pit i have ever seen. simple minded people make simple minded responses. The dogs are not a problem, the people who train them are the problem (that is if they are being trained to attack) a good pit bull owner does not train to attack. A GOOD DOG OWNER PERIOD doesnt train a dog to attack a animal, human or anything in between. The only other problem with pit bulls are those who know nothing about the breed and make accusations about them yet know nothing about them.

[lovemygreys]

I'm sure there are pit bulls out there that make perfectly fine pets. I would personally never own one...mostly because I will never be a single dog household and I would never trust a pit bull with another dog. Before everyone gets their panties in a twist, let me just say that when the breed standard states that "most APBTs exhibit some level of dog aggression" I think that says all I need to know about whether to trust a pit bull with other dogs. One look at the physique of a pit bull and you can see that it can be a killing machine, just like it can be a tremendous athlete in many other ways. I believe in respecting a dogs history and genetic pre-dispositions...I don't trust my greyhounds off leash unless they are behind a fence or coursing. We board a few pit bulls and pit bull mixes...while they are great with me and my husband, I never turn them out with other dogs - regardless of how well we know them (we have some very regular boarders). They can be a fine dog...they just aren't for me or my lifestyle.

Appearance wise - I've seen some mighty fine looking pit bulls. Nicely muscled and balanced builds...dogs that really look like they could do a variety of types of work.

I do not support breed bans. As mentioned earlier, if it's not a pit bull, it'll be some other breed.