"Designer dogs".

Leila12345666 · 01-20-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorina

Oooh.. The "designer" name that first comes to mind would not be repeatable in polite company.

Ha ha ha lol yeah.. It would not be good.

Besides before these words of "Designer Dogs" where made up, dint people called them Mutts? Or just Poodle Chihuahua mix? But i guess there is a new word for them. Dont matter how those ignorant people out there called them, a Mutt will always be the typical Mutt no matter what you call it.

Meghan&Pedro · 01-20-2007, 05:24 PM

I had a woman come into my store with a very cute puppy. To me, it looked like a pet quality pomeranian (it was oversized, and did not have the proper coat)

I asked her what her puppy was and she said "She's a purebred american eskipoo"

I just rolled my eyes and sold her what she wanted.

Meghan

Leila12345666 · 01-20-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Meghan&Pedro

I had a woman come into my store with a very cute puppy. To me, it looked like a pet quality pomeranian (it was oversized, and did not have the proper coat)

I asked her what her puppy was and she said "She's a purebred american eskipoo"

I just rolled my eyes and sold her what she wanted.

Meghan

See what i mean some people are just so ignorant arent they? I would of said "Well umm then his either a Poodle or American Eskimo, you are so ignorant saying his a purebred when he is just a Mutt, you look very stupid saying this right now, im sorry that needed to be said" i would of really said that. I DONT have anything agaisnt Mutts but some people dont get it.

nrhareiner · 01-20-2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by britishbandit

The kennel clubs will not allow you to do it yourself with copies of the parents pedigree's. You should be given a registration form from the breeder sent from the kennel club with the dam and sires registration numbers, litter number and owners signature that the pup is to be transferred directly to the new owner (whether it be limited or full registration).

Acctually this is not quite correct. The breeder must register the litter not the individual pup. What they give you is a set of registration papers with the sire and dam and they have to put in their info and sing the registration certificate. With these papers/certificate you put in the dogs registed name you want and send them in with the fee. There is no transfer from the breeder to you.

Also I would not call these type of dogs MUTTS. I would call them mixed breeds. Mutts are 3,4 or more breeds with in the same dog. Mixed breeds are 2 reconized breeds with in the same animal.

Heidi

DogAdvocat · 01-20-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Leila12345666

See what i mean some people are just so ignorant arent they? I would of said "Well umm then his either a Poodle or American Eskimo, you are so ignorant saying his a purebred when he is just a Mutt, you look very stupid saying this right now, im sorry that needed to be said" i would of really said that. I DONT have anything agaisnt Mutts but some people dont get it.

So you value bluntness as long as it's not aimed at you? I think I'll keep this post for the next time I'm criticized for telling you that "you just don't get it."

Leila12345666 · 01-20-2007, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by nrhareiner

Acctually this is not quite correct. The breeder must register the litter not the individual pup. What they give you is a set of registration papers with the sire and dam and they have to put in their info and sing the registration certificate. With these papers/certificate you put in the dogs registed name you want and send them in with the fee. There is no transfer from the breeder to you.

Also I would not call these type of dogs MUTTS. I would call them mixed breeds. Mutts are 3,4 or more breeds with in the same dog. Mixed breeds are 2 reconized breeds with in the same animal.

Heidi

Oh sorry i always taught there was either Mutts or Purebreds. Whats the difference? If Mutts have 3 or 4 breeds on them, mix breeds have only one that still make them Mutts right?

DogAdvocat · 01-20-2007, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by nrhareiner

Also I would not call these type of dogs MUTTS. I would call them mixed breeds. Mutts are 3,4 or more breeds with in the same dog. Mixed breeds are 2 reconized breeds with in the same animal.

Heidi

My definition of a mutt is a mixed breed, and vice versa. The offspring of 2 recognized breeds are cross breeds. JMO

Keno's Mom · 01-20-2007, 06:00 PM

OHHHHHHHHH that is just so WRONG - Roodles - I can't see how anyone would say they are cute - that has to be one of the uglier crosses. I've seen a few that its like.............

for example:

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/e/eskifon.htm

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/j/jacairn.htm

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/affentzu.htm

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/weimardoodle.htm

There's a big difference in accidental breedings and delibrate breedings of 2 purebred dogs to "let's see what we come up with and then sell for hundreds of dollars to nieve people with money".

MagicToller · 01-20-2007, 06:00 PM

If there is no [responsible] selective breeding involved, a Mutt's a Mutt - no matter what you call it.

Leila12345666 · 01-20-2007, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicToller

If there is no [responsible] selective breeding involved, a Mutt's a Mutt - no matter what you call it.

Ok thank you someone agrees. I knew it there was no mixed breed or crossbred they are all called Mutts. So in this world there are the Mutts and the Purebreds thats all. No Designer Breeds either.

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Originally Posted by Keno's Mom

OHHHHHHHHH that is just so WRONG - Roodles - I can't see how anyone would say they are cute - that has to be one of the uglier crosses. I've seen a few that its like.............

for example:

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/e/eskifon.htm

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/j/jacairn.htm

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/affentzu.htm

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/weimardoodle.htm

There's a big difference in accidental breedings and delibrate breedings of 2 purebred dogs to "let's see what we come up with and then sell for hundreds of dollars to nieve people with money".

Like i said i dont think any dog is ugly. I understand they did messed up the breed by doing such thing. But that does not make them ugly

Keno's Mom · 01-20-2007, 07:40 PM

Well is certainly doesn't make them "cute"

Or is it a case of "so ugly they are cute?"

Most look like they've had a bad hair day and need to be really groomed. I feel so sorry for some of them

nrhareiner · 01-20-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Leila12345666

Oh sorry i always taught there was either Mutts or Purebreds. Whats the difference? If Mutts have 3 or 4 breeds on them, mix breeds have only one that still make them Mutts right?

A mutt to me is something that has several differnt breeds in it. Like taking a dog that you can not tell what it is and crossing it on anouther dog you can not tell what exactly it is. I have several of these. Great dogs however you can not tell what breed they are even clossly related too. They have some look to them but not enough to say "Ya is he is a what every dog with something ealse"

A Cross breed is an animal who has 2 very distict parents. You can see both breeds in them. At lest that would be the hope.

Ex: I am sure more even if you are not horse people have heard of a Warmblood horse. There are american warmbloods and Dutch Warmbloods but what they really are is a cold blooded horse such as a Draft breed. (Think Budwiser horses) and a hot blooded horse like the TB horse (think Kentucky Derby). Now these do not have to be the exact breeds but it would still be this type of cross.
Any way the idea is to get the best of both horse. For the most part in the first generation this is true. You normally get what you are hoping for. Now not every time but most of the time. The problem comes in when you cross 2 Warmbloods is when you get into some problems. They do not breed true most of the time.

However these are called cross breeds as they are from 2 very distictive and differnt breed on the same speicies.

To me a mutt in the horse would would be taking a Arab/QH which is a very nice cross and then crossing it with say a Morgan/Tenn Walker cross. To me that is a mutt and boy are you going to get a weird horse. Is it gatted or not.

Hope that makes sence.

Heidi

britishbandit · 01-20-2007, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nrhareiner

Acctually this is not quite correct. The breeder must register the litter not the individual pup. What they give you is a set of registration papers with the sire and dam and they have to put in their info and sing the registration certificate. With these papers/certificate you put in the dogs registed name you want and send them in with the fee. There is no transfer from the breeder to you.

Also I would not call these type of dogs MUTTS. I would call them mixed breeds. Mutts are 3,4 or more breeds with in the same dog. Mixed breeds are 2 reconized breeds with in the same animal.

Heidi

Hmmm, that may be your definitioin of a mutt, but look in any dictionary or thersaurus and mutt/mixed breed/mongrel are one in the same thing. If I am incorrect here, please point me to a trusted place where it states this specifically.

Also, if you register a litter, the kennel club does send you individual papers for the new owner to send in to register each individual pup. PJ is AKC, and although he was not registered, I recieved a registration form with the litter number on it, and the breeders signiature that he was to be transferred directly into my name. Some breeders do register each individual dog, and usually done when you HAVE to use their kennel name and they chose the registered name of their dog. I had the option of choosing PJ's.
I cannot say if the CanKC does this the same way or not, but from the breeders I know here in Canada, it sounds the same to me.
Point in fact, regardless, the breeder has to register the litter, JUST copies of the parents pedigree's doesn't do you any good. Also, that obviously, mutts cannot be registered by the AKC/CanKC.

Leila12345666 · 01-20-2007, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by britishbandit

Hmmm, that may be your definitioin of a mutt, but look in any dictionary or thersaurus and mutt/mixed breed/mongrel are one in the same thing. If I am incorrect here, please point me to a trusted place where it states this specifically.

Also, if you register a litter, the kennel club does send you individual papers for the new owner to send in to register each individual pup. PJ is AKC, and although he was not registered, I recieved a registration form with the litter number on it, and the breeders signiature that he was to be transferred directly into my name. Some breeders do register each individual dog, and usually done when you HAVE to use their kennel name and they chose the registered name of their dog. I had the option of choosing PJ's.
I cannot say if the CanKC does this the same way or not, but from the breeders I know here in Canada, it sounds the same to me.
Point in fact, regardless, the breeder has to register the litter, JUST copies of the parents pedigree's doesn't do you any good. Also, that obviously, mutts cannot be registered by the AKC/CanKC.

I know im NOT wrong here. A Mutt is a Mutt no matter how many breeds he/she has. A purebred is ONLY one doggie like a Poodle, Dane, Chihuahua and so on....

britishbandit · 01-20-2007, 09:38 PM

I never said you were Leila, my response was to nrhareiner.

Leila12345666 · 01-20-2007, 11:35 PM

I know i was just making a point

I know it was NOT you.

Lorina · 01-21-2007, 08:42 AM

I use mutt and mixed breed synonymously, but say mixed breed more often. People tend to bristle and get insulted by the word mutt, even though it means the same thing, and it wouldn't be good business practice to insult clients. I can just imagine the evil eye I'd get if I called someone's beloved pet a mongrel!

When there is one or two breeds that can be identified, I'd call it, for instance, a "Lab Mix" or "Lab/Pointer Mix." Sometimes it's a little more vague, so a small wire-haired dog might be a "Terrier Mix," or tan and black larger dog a "Shepherd Mix." And when the only thing you can say when you look at it is, "Well, I know it's a dog," then I just call it a mixed breed.

Leila12345666 · 01-21-2007, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lorina

I use mutt and mixed breed synonymously, but say mixed breed more often. People tend to bristle and get insulted by the word mutt, even though it means the same thing, and it wouldn't be good business practice to insult clients. I can just imagine the evil eye I'd get if I called someone's beloved pet a mongrel!

When there is one or two breeds that can be identified, I'd call it, for instance, a "Lab Mix" or "Lab/Pointer Mix." Sometimes it's a little more vague, so a small wire-haired dog might be a "Terrier Mix," or tan and black larger dog a "Shepherd Mix." And when the only thing you can say when you look at it is, "Well, I know it's a dog," then I just call it a mixed breed.

Yes i agree, when im at Petsmart i ask people what kind of dog that is and they tell me, Lab mix, Shepherd mix, Maltese mix or like Terrier mix. Hardly anyone says they are a Mutt. But i dont find the word Mutt to be ofensive.

britishbandit · 01-21-2007, 11:47 AM

I've personally never felt insulted in the least when I've owned a mix and had people call him a mutt. And I've always loved my mutts.

It's true many people don't like the word, and I'll never understand why they feel "mixed breed" is more appropriate. Hey, my dogs are purebreds, and I even call them mutts sometimes....LOL....."oh you silly mutt!".

I guess it's all in personal preference, if someone prefers I refer to their dog a mixed breed rather than a mutt, so be it, I will. Normally it doesn't come to that, I simply ask the dog's name, and call it by that rather than it's orientation.

Really, what irks me more is online, when people say "pureBREADS", or don't know how to spell the name of the breed they actually own, I'll never understand that. LOL It's one thing to not know how to spell the name of a breed you aren't familiar with, but the breed you own? I can't even say how many times I've seen Chihuahua spelled "Chiwawa", or Dachshund spelled "Datshund/Dashound". I've even had fellow Rottweiler owners spell it "Rotweilder/Rotwilder/Rottwiller".......aarrgghhh! *pulls hair out* hahaha Hey, not everyone is the best speller in the world, and I make my mistakes at times, but when it's a word in my vocabulary I use often, I make sure it's spelled right.

Leila12345666 · 01-21-2007, 12:07 PM

I agree lol, i too sometimes call Nena a Mutt because she looks like one of those outside doggies with her scruffy coat and everything lol. Scruffy doggies are the ones that almost everytime make it into a movie to be an outside, homeless doggie lol. But there living better than any other dog.

I dont get offenced by people making comments on Nena, because i love her and i dont need no one to come and agree with me.