Does this sound suspicious to you

Spicy1_VV · 06-21-2008, 12:46 AM

This happened to my friend quite recently. They had plans to pull this male but couldn't due to what happen. I'll try to start from the beginning. Basically their dogs were in somewhat of a fight. This is with very odd circumstances. The door breached and male 1's crate door kicked in, male 2's crate door shut. Male 1's crate was kicked from the opposite side of the latch, it was kicked in to that the bars bend allowed male 1 to get out. Male 2 crate as mentioned was shut, what kind of dog lets himself out and then closes the gate behind him.

The individual that is suspect is a cop, now I don't want to accuse any law enforcement officer of doing anything wrong but it is odd that he just happened to be into the home (which was broken into and crates broken into) and "saw the whole thing go down". How does that even make sense, if he saw that then he'd know who did it (if not him), he'd be witness to whoever let them out to fight and broke in. Yet there is no suspect to be named and he claims to have seen everything. Also what was he doing just happening to be in someones house. Does he have a spidey sense that told him, hey 2 dogs are fighting in there. Don't get me wrong, if cops see/hear something that they should be helping with they have every right to investigate and serve as the should, however when it is something as odd as this something doesn't smell right.

Also it wasn't really much of a fight. Male 1 was pretty much fine, Male 2 had most the bite wounds that were severe on his rear, it was as if someone held him faced away from Male 1 so that Male 1 could attack him. That is the only way his rear/butt, back thighs, ect would be shredded but Male 1 be fine. Even if for whatever reason Male 2 decided not to defend himself he would have been trying to get away, roll around, cry, no dog would just stand there while another dog is chewing and shaking it, that doesn't make sense, to be so perfect as to not have other bite marks on other parts of Male 2's body. Just his rear end as if he were a stuffed toy the other dog was chewing on with no ability to move. I don't know? Imagine coming home to a bloody house with one dog very injured, a cop inside who claims to have seen the whole thing go down, one crate kicked in and the other shut and latched. What would you think? I asked her what he meant about seeing it and she said something like he said he saw them get out and at first they were fine and then started fighting. I told her it sounds strange and be very careful. For one he could be trying to make some sort of case against her for illegal dog fighting even if its by his doing (there is one incident like this that took place, only 1 I know of but it means certain officers are capable of this) Some officers, forensic investigators and prosecutors in other cases not related to dog fighting have also been caught fabricating evidence, maybe not a regularly so we don't need to be paranoid over but it stands to reason it could happen. He could also be someone who just enjoyed such a sick thing. After all officers are only human and some are actually criminals despite the badge. He took a bunch of pics too and said you need to get that dog to the vet now, speaking of Male 2 which the owners were hold Male 1 and 2 side by side at this time without issue. There is also no report of this as her DH said he checked. Whenever something happens I guess even if no charges filled, no one arrested/doing anything illegal there is still supposed to be some type of report by the officer. Like at such and such time this happened and they did this. Yet that isn't the case. There is always the possibility that some other freak let the dogs out to fight either because they get off on that or don't like the dogs, but then I don't understand how he would see the whole thing go down or whatever.

There was another cop that hated Pits and kept letting this one guys out, he put a padlock and the lock was cut dog out, every time the dog was in the kennel and the officer home the dog would be out of the kennel one way or another. Last time the chainlink was cut and dog disappeared. He openly admitted how much he hated Pit Bulls, they need to be banned and of course yell at the owner that his dog is loose again and he has right to shoot it.

squirmyworm · 06-21-2008, 01:12 AM

Does your friend keep their dogs kenneled inside? Sorry if you mentioned it, I'm tired and kind of skimming through.

If it's outside, it seems less suspicious...but if the dogs were kept inside, I'd be very concerned.

Spicy1_VV · 06-21-2008, 01:28 AM

Yes the dogs are in pet taxi type kennel crates when they are not home because Pits should not be left unsupervised.

Patt · 06-21-2008, 01:34 AM

If I read the story right, yes I would be supicious. I believe a report should have been written.

MuttHunter · 06-21-2008, 02:23 AM

Lemme see if I got this straight. Your friend left home leaving his two pits crated. He returns home, finds a both dogs out of their crates and a stranger standing around in the house (who happens to be a cop) with no good explanation of why he broke in? Yeah, I would be suspicious. How did the guy get in, btw?

Spicy1_VV · 06-21-2008, 02:46 AM

Yeah that is it mutthunter. He got in through the door, I mean that is breaking an entering. The door wasn't left opened.

MuttHunter · 06-21-2008, 03:01 AM

That sounds really creepy, kinda like the beginning of a David Lynch movie. If your friend can afford it maybe he should contact an attorney or get some kind of security system for his house (or both).

Spicy1_VV · 06-21-2008, 03:13 AM

I think they have a video camera now. It just happened like a couple weeks ago.

white lilly · 06-21-2008, 07:15 AM

my god that cop is one nutter id say !!!!

Darkmoon · 06-21-2008, 09:16 AM

Speaking from an owner who has had a dog push through the gate on an airline style crate, there is no way that would re-latch itself. Also if the dogs were able to push their way out of a crate like that, there would be stretch marks on the holes where the gate latched. Unless the dogs grew thumbs and dog #2 said "Hold on, let me shut my crate door before we start this fight. I wouldn't want our humans to find it open" it would be impossible.

I also find it hard to believe that dog #2 only had wounds on his rear side and a friendly cop heard the fight and went in to see what happened AND didn't shoot the dogs on sight for fighting in "fear of his life".

I call BS...

Mycathinks hesadog · 06-21-2008, 09:22 AM

Wow spicy that is scary. I'm not anti law enforcement, but it sounds like this guy WAY over stepped his bounds, cop or not.

The clincher for me is the fact that there is no report written. Something as serious as "dog fighting" is typically a felony, and whether he was on/off duty there should have been paperwork filed, espcecially if he "had" to forceably enter the home.

I would absolutely have some kind of surveliance or alarm system in place.

petsgalore · 06-21-2008, 11:04 AM

I would also contact an attorney and find out about how to bring this to the officers superiors-this definitely was not police protocol of any kind.

BobSD · 06-21-2008, 01:46 PM

This is how I see it!! This is another of those second hand stories. He said I'm telling. Especially dragging Pit Bulls into the subject matter. We have had alot of pro & cons lately about the breed. Why would someone keep two dogs that hate each other in the same household if it is not for a negative reason to put it mildly! This house could have been under investigation for some time, I mean there are so many variables and not to get the info from the party's directly involved. Do these dogs live in the cages all the time and if one is allowed out the other dog stays in the cage, nothing makes sense to me??? Sorry I am so dense.

Orange County Ca · 06-21-2008, 09:08 PM

Why does someone keep a dog who lives to kill another?

What is your friends motivation?

MuttHunter · 06-21-2008, 10:44 PM

Why do two dogs that had a fight have to 'hate' each other or 'live to kill'? Being released from their crates by a stranger without their human guardian around could trigger atypical stress reactions in any dog. I don't know what really happened and neither does anyone else who wasn't there.

Inga · 06-21-2008, 10:44 PM

very very odd. No police report was made but the cop was in there house? I would be at the police station talking to the chief to find out if this guy even was a cop or someone posing as one. I would also be talking to a lawyer. That is beyond weird.

Spicy1_VV · 06-22-2008, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BobSD

This is how I see it!! This is another of those second hand stories. He said I'm telling. Especially dragging Pit Bulls into the subject matter. We have had alot of pro & cons lately about the breed. Why would someone keep two dogs that hate each other in the same household if it is not for a negative reason to put it mildly! This house could have been under investigation for some time, I mean there are so many variables and not to get the info from the party's directly involved. Do these dogs live in the cages all the time and if one is allowed out the other dog stays in the cage, nothing makes sense to me??? Sorry I am so dense.

You don't have to be sorry for being dense....lol It is not that hard to explain. (you are not dense either)

Yes it is 2nd hand what they told me, I don't feel they would lie since they have no reason to. Yes there are lots of Pit post out there, I realize that. I wasn't trying to make this another Pit post, I just was looking for discussing on if others think this is weird.

They don't have 2 dogs that hate each other. No where in my original post did I say that they hate each other. I actually pointed out that when the owner had the dogs after the fact side by side they were being perfectly mild with one another. The cop then said you need to get him to the vet (pointing to the male that was bit) The male that was not injured took a 2nd at the show over the weekend and he didn't hate any of the other dogs there. He does not hate the other male, that male does not hate him. There is no need to add to the story.

Even though that is not the situation with their 2 dogs (hating each other), to answer the question. Some pet owners actually love their dogs and won't dump them when they don't behave like perfect angels. They know that if they get two APBTs they might grow up to get into a fight or not be best buds. This doesn't mean that they dump one or other just because they don't get along.

I really don't understand "for negative reasons" Why would it be negative when dogs don't get along to keep them. (Its really not just Pit Bulls even other breeds can have fights) They are not throw away items, it is your responsibility to work with whatever problems they might have and accept that Pits might not always get along 100% of the time.

Investigation for what? They are not any type of criminals and just moved from here to there so there is really no way to have been under investigation for sometime or reason to be under investigation for anything. Although investigations are investigations, not a single cop being in your home with your 2 dogs. If you don't disbelieve what happened what would you think? If you came home and there was a cop in your house and your 2 dogs (who were crated when you left loose)?

Well I answered that early, they were in the pet taxis. They are crated when left alone as APBTs should never be left unsupervised. Therefore they must be separated one way or the other. Some people might prefer to use kennels but the dogs could be stolen or poisoned in those cases. Its all about personal preference. Otherwise the dogs are out freely roaming in the house or playing in the yard. I also know that some people crate their dog (whether it is a poodle, cocker, ect) when they are away. So people do things different for their dogs while they will be gone. I hope that makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Orange County Ca

Why does someone keep a dog who lives to kill another?

What is your friends motivation?

I really can't answer because your 1st questions since I don't know why and its not related to the topic.

My friends motivation in what? Telling me the story? We were talking like right before the show, like we always talk with each other about our dogs, whats going on, ect. Her male (that was injured) had done great at the last 2 pulls and she was very happy because he is a fresh dog but is a natural. She was looking forward to getting some more wins on him and of course to just enjoying her non injured pet until this ordeal took place. So she was dismayed that he had been injured, suspicious of the circumstances and upset that she couldn't show or pull him.

Mutthunter I don't know LOL. I guess they are the only dogs that live together and not get along in history because they live to kill and hate each other.