[4dogs3cats]

Thanks spicey! I was wondering what your situation was like. I figured they didnt all get to hang out together all the time. But I also at the same time knew it was the type of environmen youd provide where they are all happy and well cared for.

I would so love to meet you! I just want to meet you and your dogs and really just take it all in. To meet that many great pits at once.. I dunno, it would be awe inspiring to me.

[JDub]

Originally Posted by JDub

edit...on that last point, I just Googled 2 phrases:

1) "Golden Retriever Attack": 358 matches
2) "Pit Bull Attack": 85,000 matches

Originally Posted by Xeph

Uh, JDub, I hate to burst your bubble, but Strauss has been attacked FIVE different times by THREE seprate Golden Retrievers

Ok....sorry.... 361 to 85,000. I stand corrected.

[4dogs3cats]

Originally Posted by JDub

Ok....sorry.... 361 to 85,000. I stand corrected.

Oh you and your ways...

[Xeph]

Hey, when my GERMAN SHEPHERD, has been attacked by THREE Goldens and two FLAT COATS and ZERO Pits, I'm going to go with MY statistics...especially since I can actually tell the difference between an APBT, a Corso, and a Bull Terrier x.x

[JDub]

Originally Posted by Xeph

Hey, when my GERMAN SHEPHERD, has been attacked by THREE Goldens and two FLAT COATS and ZERO Pits, I'm going to go with MY statistics...

I would too...if those were the only statistics that worked in my favor.

[Xeph]

They don't work in MY favor, they work in the favor of PITS. You should meet Persia...lovely little bitch.

And you also have to take into account that these ludicrous statistics include dogs that are "pit like" and "Pit Mixes". That surely skews the numbers.

I've seen a "pit" that was accused of biting (ironically) the mailman.

...It was a fawn and white Boxer.

[MegaMuttMom]

Originally Posted by Xeph

They don't work in MY favor, they work in the favor of PITS. You should meet Persia...lovely little bitch.

And you also have to take into account that these ludicrous statistics include dogs that are "pit like" and "Pit Mixes". That surely skews the numbers.

I've seen a "pit" that was accused of biting (ironically) the mailman.

...It was a fawn and white Boxer.

This is why i asked Spicy the questions about my dog. If one or two people have looked at my dog and thought he was a pit, does that make him a pit? Do I have to assume he might just switch and become dog aggressive? I don't think he is a pit but, if he were I would love him just the same. I just worry that he is looked at with discrimination by a few who don't have a clue what they are talking about. I will always keep an eye on him and his behavior because he is a dog, that is what matters most, all dogs can bite.

You can't ban all dogs over a certain size just because their bite can be more dangerous than a small dog's bite.

[JenTN]

Originally Posted by MegaMuttMom

This is why i asked Spicy the questions about my dog. If one or two people have looked at my dog and thought he was a pit, does that make him a pit? Do I have to assume he might just switch and become dog aggressive? I don't think he is a pit but, if he were I would love him just the same. I just worry that he is looked at with discrimination by a few who don't have a clue what they are talking about. I will always keep an eye on him and his behavior because he is a dog, that is what matters most, all dogs can bite.

You can't ban all dogs over a certain size just because their bite can be more dangerous than a small dog's bite.

I have had several people as me if Bo was a pit bull, and I think he looks absolutely nothing like a pit bull.

[SpudFan]

Originally Posted by JenTN

I have had several people as me if Bo was a pit bull, and I think he looks absolutely nothing like a pit bull.

Uugh I get it all the time.

[Mr Pooch]

See i dont get that an EBT is such a unique looking breed how can it be confused for an APBT?
Also since the breed was created in my homeland i'd never confuse the two *know it all grin*

JenTn what breed is BO?

[JenTN]

Originally Posted by Mr Pooch

See i dont get that an EBT is such a unique looking breed how can it be confused for an APBT?
Also since the breed was created in my homeland i'd never confuse the two *know it all grin*

JenTn what breed is BO?

Bo is a mix- we believe he is a lab/Great Dane mix, with something thrown in for the stnading ear

[MuttHunter]

Part of the statistics problem is 'Pitbull' is a pretty vague concept, for most people--almost any medium-large, short haired dog that does not clearly belong to some other highly recognizable breed is liable to be reported as a pitbull, particularly if it has bitten someone.

btw, love those ears, JenTN, Bo looks like a real character.

[B-Line]

Ok,

So let me just make sure I understand the order of things.

1) You go out and adopt a Pit.
2) You call up to find out about Pit grooming.
3) You call up to find out about Pit day care.
4) You get upset because places that you feel, have some sort of obligation to temperament test your dog, don't accept your breed into their facilities, for whatever reason.

Yup, sounds like most pit owners I have met.

-- Next time you're in the market for a dog, gun, automobile, adjustable rate mortgage, etc. - maybe it would be a good idea to do your research before you bring cute puppy home.

"Hi, I'm thinking of adopting a Pit Bull, do you accept this breed?"
"Hi, I live in XYZ county, are there any Breed Specific Laws in my area?"
"Hi, I'm moving to a new area, is there anyone in a local club that can help provide information about dog care?"

Personally, I think your complaints are not only unjustified, in reality, they show that you are just another irresponsible breed owner who decided to do homework after you got the dog, instead of before.

And your puppy, regardless of how cute, non aggressive, individually tempered as you think she may be, is still a PUPPY. Neither you nor anybody else, has a crystal ball to predict if, how or where, she may become aggressive, regardless of breed.

The only person to blame for you feeling "not allowed" is yourself. Yes, I understand there was a receptionist error for grooming, but regardless, you should have done your homework before you got a Pit. Not whined about it afterwards...

[Spicy1_VV]

B-line while you were more harsh I'd have to agree. Although it should be taken into account that the OP didn't want a Pit and wasn't looking for one. More or less found out after and even started one of those "whats my dogs breed" threads I believe. After someone has a pup it is hard to just get rid of it because it is a breed that needs certain attention, they are attached. Being in that position though doesn't mean you should research any less, you can still do the homework after. No matter the breed. If I found out my dog was whatever breed I'd try to research as much as possible about that breed, I'd do my best to roll with the punches and be a responsible owner before I said it wouldn't fit my lifestyle and found him/her a new home. I'd probably adjust my lifestyle, training methods, ect to them.

I do agree with you in general though.

Why would you want to take put a Pit in such a position in the first place? There wouldn't be an issue of Pits being banned from day care if the owners didn't take them there in the first place.

Grooming I understand the OPs point. I would be put off if they said ok and then made a mistake and said no. To me there shouldn't be a big issue in the grooming department but I realize places are allowed to have their own policies. Groomers have to feel comfortable grooming the dogs they are otherwise anxiety can be picked up by the dog. I'd be a little upset though, but I'd just find another place, there is more then 1 grooming facility you can give your money to.

I hear the my dog is so sweet and has the best temperament in the world all the time about small pups a lot too. Usually those wanting to breed them. Sometimes Pits but many other breeds too. The dogs are 3-6 months old usually and don't have their temperament fully developed, they are not mature.

[B-Line]

My intention was not to be harsh and if it was, I apologize.

Rather, I was trying to illustrate with sarcasm, what I have heard from many "dangerous breed" owners on this site, not just from the OP.

In the past few weeks, we have had threads like:
1) I can't find a place to rent because of my dog, should I lie about the breed?
2) I am moving to an area where they don't allow XYZ, how dare they?
3) My dog is not the stereotypical Pit and should be allowed special treatment and she/he has never harmed a soul, etc.

My point was not to bash the OP. My point was to illustrate the responsibility of dog ownership and more importantly, "dangerous breed" ownership.

It is not the responsibility of the community to make exceptions for "the cute dog in question." It is the responsibility of the owners to ensure that the environment they are bringing a dog into is a proper one and they should not burden the businesses, the city, the community, with unwanted animals because they feel they are entitled to special treatment or were not aware of the breed type or negative connotation that comes with it.

I spent 6 months researching Portuguese Water Dogs before I adopted my pup and I already had a 12 year old Portie at home. I arranged a vet, a groomer, dog sitters, etc. I can also tell you, there is another PWD on this site that did the same. Contacted me for months so we could discuss every detail of the breed. Activity levels, parks, vet bills, grooming, etc. You name it, we covered it.

So when I hear someone say, "THEY WON'T TAKE MY PUPPY" and not just the original poster, but many "dangerous breed" owners, I have to ask, are you people doing your homework? Are you prepared to make tough decisions about where you're going to live and how you're going to live if you're dog is not accepted.

There is a cart and there is a horse and the HORSE GOES FIRST. Are you having issues with your dog because of a BSL? Well what was there first, the BSL or your DOG?? I'm betting it was the BSL....

Sorry if my posts are sometimes aggressive and harsh in their nature, but that's sometimes the fastest and clearest way to illustrate a point. No harm intended.

[KDesirea]

Originally Posted by B-Line

Ok,

So let me just make sure I understand the order of things.

1) You go out and adopt a Pit.
2) You call up to find out about Pit grooming.
3) You call up to find out about Pit day care.
4) You get upset because places that you feel, have some sort of obligation to temperament test your dog, don't accept your breed into their facilities, for whatever reason.

Yup, sounds like most pit owners I have met.

-- Next time you're in the market for a dog, gun, automobile, adjustable rate mortgage, etc. - maybe it would be a good idea to do your research before you bring cute puppy home.

"Hi, I'm thinking of adopting a Pit Bull, do you accept this breed?"
"Hi, I live in XYZ county, are there any Breed Specific Laws in my area?"
"Hi, I'm moving to a new area, is there anyone in a local club that can help provide information about dog care?"

Personally, I think your complaints are not only unjustified, in reality, they show that you are just another irresponsible breed owner who decided to do homework after you got the dog, instead of before.

And your puppy, regardless of how cute, non aggressive, individually tempered as you think she may be, is still a PUPPY. Neither you nor anybody else, has a crystal ball to predict if, how or where, she may become aggressive, regardless of breed.

The only person to blame for you feeling "not allowed" is yourself. Yes, I understand there was a receptionist error for grooming, but regardless, you should have done your homework before you got a Pit. Not whined about it afterwards...

You know I actually did not know my puppy was part pit when I got her. She appeared to have some Boston in her. My intent was to rescue a puppy that needed a home. Oh, but I see your point...... I'm the irresponsible pet owner. Certainly not the person that had them sitting in the heat in a little pen bloated from worms trying to pass them off without saying what breed they were. That's right I'm the irresponsible one for decideing to take a puppy home so that they didn't end up in conditions worse than what they already had.

I have not once stated that I didn't understand or even agree with the various points on this thread. I have actually learned a lot and knowing that I am no expert on pits I have done my best to deal with and provide a good home for the one that I own. I started posting on this forum for tips and help with the breed not to be labeled an irresponsible owner. And honestly, you may not have intended to come across as "bashing" but you certainly did and rather rudely. It would have seemed that before lecturing me on the way I feel about the daycare (which by the way I am trying my best to give my puppy the exercise that she needs) you would have read some of my earlier posts about my situation.

[Mr Pooch]

KDesirea you seem like a responsible owner and although i voiced my opinion on the daycare situation(i wouldnt place my breeds in one) i feel responsible bully/pit owners should stick together in this world.

I dont agree with you geting the 3rd degree over matters such as BSL etc,which ur OP had nothing to do with!

[KDesirea]

Originally Posted by Mr Pooch

KDesirea you seem like a responsible owner and although i voiced my opinion on the daycare situation(i wouldnt place my breeds in one) i feel responsible bully/pit owners should stick together in this world.

I dont agree with you geting the 3rd degree over matters such as BSL etc,which ur OP had nothing to do with!

Thanks. I really am trying to do the best that I can with my puppy. I like the help that I get on this forum even when it might not be what I want to hear.

[B-Line]

KD,

I have seen you posting on this forum enough to qualify you as a dog owner who reads threads.

Did you not read the thread about two weeks ago about the owner who could not find a place to live because they had a Pit?

Or did you miss the thread today about the Pit that mauled a 2 year old in Auckland?

Or maybe you missed the thread a few days ago where a number of Pit Bull owners on this site, clearly stated, multiple times, that their dogs do not belong OFF LEASH, in a PARK, in MULTI DOG ENVIRONMENTS, because of their potential aggression that may click at any time? Do you not think a Dog Care center is a Multi Dog Environment?

But regardless of all those other threads, that clearly spell out for anyone with a 2nd grade education that:

a) Owning a Pit means, not being able to use certain facilities.
b) Owning a Pit means, your dog should NOT be in Multi Dog environments, Off-Leash, (Like in a dog care center.) regardless of how cute you think she is.

But regardless of this information being repeated, you still feel the need to whine that your dog, deserves special treatment.
And that all the other, long term, pit owning, smart parents, who accept the fact that their dogs do not belong in multi dog environments are wrong, because you're puppy is soooo cute and deserves special treatment..

I'm sorry you don't realize it, but you're the exact example of a Pit owner that is causing problems for the breed.

So excuse me for being harsh, but go do your homework before your puppy mauls your neighbors kid.

[KDesirea]

Originally Posted by B-Line

KD,

I have seen you posting on this forum enough to qualify you as a dog owner who reads threads.

Did you not read the thread about two weeks ago about the owner who could not find a place to live because they had a Pit?

Or did you miss the thread today about the Pit that mauled a 2 year old in Auckland?

Or maybe you missed the thread a few days ago where a number of Pit Bull owners on this site, clearly stated, multiple times, that their dogs do not belong OFF LEASH, in a PARK, in MULTI DOG ENVIRONMENTS, because of their potential aggression that may click at any time? Do you not think a Dog Care center is a Multi Dog Environment?

But regardless of all those other threads, that clearly spell out for anyone with a 2nd grade education that:

a) Owning a Pit means, not being able to use certain facilities.
b) Owning a Pit means, your dog should NOT be in Multi Dog environments, Off-Leash, (Like in a dog care center.) regardless of how cute you think she is.

But regardless of this information being repeated, you still feel the need to whine that your dog, deserves special treatment.
And that all the other, long term, pit owning, smart parents, who accept the fact that their dogs do not belong in multi dog environments are wrong, because you're puppy is soooo cute and deserves special treatment..

I'm sorry you don't realize it, but you're the exact example of a Pit owner that is causing problems for the breed.

So excuse me for being harsh, but go do your homework before your puppy mauls your neighbors kid.

You've stated your point. I have heard what you have to say and will think about the things you have mentioned. Now go find another thread to bring down.