[Xeph]

Uh, JDub, I hate to burst your bubble, but Strauss has been attacked FIVE different times by THREE seprate Golden Retrievers

He's also been attacked by Flat Coats.

Entirely unprovoked as well.

Goldens aren't immune to bad breeding, and luckily my dog is temperamentally sound enough not to have been affected by those attacks.

[Spicy1_VV]

Originally Posted by Love's_Sophie

ANY dog can cause serious damage if it is unsocialized or gets otherwise startled or angered...NOT just 'pit bulls'...it's owners like you that give these wonderful dogs the bad stigma they have...I have met more aggressive labs, goldens, shepards, and cockers than I have Pits, and I groom dogs for a living, as well as take care of alot of the boarding and daycare dogs 5 days a week...so thats ALOT of interaction with ALOT of different breeds. With that said, small dogs are often the MOST aggressive...

Last time I checked it was owners that take their Pits dog parks or owners who's Pits maul children or the owners who use them to guard their crack houses that give them a bad stigma. If people were not irresponsible with their Pit Bull, if they did not insist on learning the hard way (or not because from the story I posted some people seem to never learn) then the APBT wouldn't have such a horrible reputation.

It is not the people wanting to protect their dogs that gave them a bad name. If the APBT owner isn't aware enough to not place their dog in a situation to fail it is up to the other dog owner. If the owner didn't make a bad choice then the other people would have nothing to fear in the first place, no bad stigma.

Yes any breed can be upset, can fight, ect. That is just the point. An APBT does not have to be dog aggressive to get into a fight. So what happens if a Pit and another dog gets into a fight? The owner of that dog has a severally mauled dog or possibly a dead dog.

Not just any breed can or will fight with the ability of a Pit. Until you've seen a Pit fight you probably have no idea what a serious fighting type breed fight looks like. I know people with other breeds who have seen fights that they call serious, or the dog was all into it, yet it is so minor compared to how an APBT would fight. I wonder what they would do in the situation if they consider what they witnessed to be so severe. Most people are not at all prepared or equipped to stop a pit bull fight. So why should we assume a day care worker would be? They would obviously be at a loss since they wouldn't be able to quickly stop it.

Most other breeds get into a fight they will stop with shouting, loud noise, grabbing the back legs, throwing water on them, ect. That is a big difference compared to a dog thats mouth must be pried open or I guess they can just sit there and wait until the Pit hopefully decides to stop or more likely wait for him to go for a better hold and grab him off quick, but by then the damage is already done.

When other breeds fight after the fact there is usually not much damage (if any) or from time to time maybe a puncture wound or abrasion if they made contact. Usually it is a bunch of teeth showing and noise. Again big difference between when compared to a breed that will go for a hold and shake it how and keep that hold causing more damage.

[zimandtakandgrrandmimi]

quick thing about the bite statistics posted here comparing pit bulls to golden retrievers.

how many of the articles per breed were different publications of the same story?

what's the ratio of pit bull bites to total number of pit bulls living in the us?

same for the goldens...what's the ratio?

[Spicy1_VV]

Originally Posted by zimandtakandgrrandmimi

quick thing about the bite statistics posted here comparing pit bulls to golden retrievers.

how many of the articles per breed were different publications of the same story?

what's the ratio of pit bull bites to total number of pit bulls living in the us?

same for the goldens...what's the ratio?

Those are good questions. Also what you have to consider is that they just googled and didn't look at/read everything for obvious reasons. How many of the hits on "Pit Bull Attack" are even for an actual Pit Bull attack, like news stories or article on attacks vs all the writing/discussion out there ON them attacking but not actual attacks. If that makes sense you might get 85,000 matches for that phrase but only x amount are actual attack and others are just people saying "they are likely to attack" for example. Well that doesn't count for an actual attack. It'd make sense you'd get a lot more because people are going to be more often talking about Pit Bull Attacks instead of Golden Attacks. People talking about it doesn't equate to an actual attack. Also for anyone who's used google probably knows that once you get past x amount of pages the results start being off. They don't match up completely with what you are even looking for.

For example I just googled German Shepherd Attack and got 461,000 returns. That doesn't mean there are that many attacks or articles on that many attacks. One site on behavior characteristics and had this definition which is what caused the phrase German Shepherd Attack to return the hit "Aggressiveness - bares teeth, barks threateningly, growls, raises hackles, nips, attempts to chase, attack or bite (displays some or all of these traits)"

[zimandtakandgrrandmimi]

all dogs have teeth and drives. they are carnivorous animals for crying out loud.

i've read of a pomerainian killing an infant in it's crib. i've read about lab and gsd and mastiff attacks. a toy fox terrier I believe it was, bit ELEVEN people in new york while out on a walk. ??????
a basset hound killed a 2 year old in florida...a greyhound attacked and killed a toy poodle in a dog park in louisiana...a golden retriever mauled a kid in virginia....wolf hybrids, a PUG!!, an english bulldog, doberman, great pyr, newf, ridgeback, akita the list of attacks that happened in the past few months is enormous.

all dogs bite. all owners should be held accountable for their dogs actions. ALL!!!!!! putting a specific breed in the spotlight does absolute crap. the people who care have their dogs ripped from them. the problem folks don't care. they don't give a rat's hiney about the dogs. take one breed away from them and they pick another to make their dirty money off of. and nature plays a part yes, but in this case it's man who made that nature. and ultimatly man who needs to answer for it.

discrimination and restriction and bsl are the dog eared pages of worm knawed book called ignorance.

a jewish friend stated "I will have no dog if it is not a pit bull. I am jewish. I would that I could own hundreds of pit bulls. they are the kindred spirits of my people. they are insulted, then confined, then insulted and abused and finally are killed for being what their creators created. the camps live on in breed specific legislation."


my 2 cents is spent. g'night.

[SpudFan]

Originally Posted by Spicy1_VV

When other breeds fight after the fact there is usually not much damage (if any) or from time to time maybe a puncture wound or abrasion if they made contact. Usually it is a bunch of teeth showing and noise. Again big difference between when compared to a breed that will go for a hold and shake it how and keep that hold causing more damage.

People of other breeds just dont get this. When I was taking Leelu to her last training class one of the other dogs was being obnoxious so I removed my dog. The owner of the other dog asked me why I didn't just let the dogs sort it out. I asked her if she had any idea what a Bull Terrier would do to her dear little mut if she actually bit it. She seemed to be under the impression that the dog might gently mouth hers, instead what would probably happen is she would grab it, latch on and shake the heck out of her dog resulting in a vets visit and stitches at best.

I have seen a Bull Terrier kill a cat that ran into its yard in under 5 seconds. For people that are not used to these animals they have no comprehension of how quickly things can deteriorate or how to separate them if something does happen.

Originally Posted by zimandtakandgrrandmimi

all dogs have teeth and drives. they are carnivorous animals for crying out loud.

i've read of a pomerainian killing an infant in it's crib. i've read about lab and gsd and mastiff attacks. a toy fox terrier I believe it was, bit ELEVEN people in new york while out on a walk. ??????
a basset hound killed a 2 year old in florida...a greyhound attacked and killed a toy poodle in a dog park in louisiana...a golden retriever mauled a kid in virginia....wolf hybrids, a PUG!!, an english bulldog, doberman, great pyr, newf, ridgeback, akita the list of attacks that happened in the past few months is enormous.

The difference is the efficiency. I would argue that the destructive efficiency of a Pit Bull has very few equals. They can cause a huge amount of damage very quickly and very efficiently.

Originally Posted by zimandtakandgrrandmimi

a jewish friend stated "I will have no dog if it is not a pit bull. I am jewish. I would that I could own hundreds of pit bulls. they are the kindred spirits of my people. they are insulted, then confined, then insulted and abused and finally are killed for being what their creators created. the camps live on in breed specific legislation."

As a Jew I have to tell you I find that statement extremely offensive.

[JenTN]

Originally Posted by Spicy1_VV

Last time I checked it was owners that take their Pits dog parks or owners who's Pits maul children or the owners who use them to guard their crack houses that give them a bad stigma. If people were not irresponsible with their Pit Bull, if they did not insist on learning the hard way (or not because from the story I posted some people seem to never learn) then the APBT wouldn't have such a horrible reputation.

It is not the people wanting to protect their dogs that gave them a bad name. If the APBT owner isn't aware enough to not place their dog in a situation to fail it is up to the other dog owner. If the owner didn't make a bad choice then the other people would have nothing to fear in the first place, no bad stigma.

Yes any breed can be upset, can fight, ect. That is just the point. An APBT does not have to be dog aggressive to get into a fight. So what happens if a Pit and another dog gets into a fight? The owner of that dog has a severally mauled dog or possibly a dead dog.

Not just any breed can or will fight with the ability of a Pit. Until you've seen a Pit fight you probably have no idea what a serious fighting type breed fight looks like. I know people with other breeds who have seen fights that they call serious, or the dog was all into it, yet it is so minor compared to how an APBT would fight. I wonder what they would do in the situation if they consider what they witnessed to be so severe. Most people are not at all prepared or equipped to stop a pit bull fight. So why should we assume a day care worker would be? They would obviously be at a loss since they wouldn't be able to quickly stop it.

Most other breeds get into a fight they will stop with shouting, loud noise, grabbing the back legs, throwing water on them, ect. That is a big difference compared to a dog thats mouth must be pried open or I guess they can just sit there and wait until the Pit hopefully decides to stop or more likely wait for him to go for a better hold and grab him off quick, but by then the damage is already done.

When other breeds fight after the fact there is usually not much damage (if any) or from time to time maybe a puncture wound or abrasion if they made contact. Usually it is a bunch of teeth showing and noise. Again big difference between when compared to a breed that will go for a hold and shake it how and keep that hold causing more damage.

Thank you for that. You clarify so much. I love pits, but after reading that I am assured that at this time I am in no way capable of dealing with them. This "all dogs bite" is true BUT it's a whole different level of damage. It's like saying "all snakes can and will bite". True, but there's a huge difference in getting bitten by a garter snake and a Cobra.

[Mr Pooch]

Yep nobody tells the Pits story better than Spicy.

Back to the OP,i hear you and i feel your emotion regarding your well behaved Pit but as stated here about the "potential" a Pit has when it comes to a fight i wouldnt put one in daycare either.

Us bully/Pit owners here on DF obviously can vouch for the good ownership and wellbeing of our dogs however if i owned a doggy day care i wouldnt allow Pits in my establisment,i wouldnt risk the "say so" of an owner over the my business.

Pits in the right hands are lovely dogs but even then what if they are provoked?it will not be a nice outcome for the provocateur!

Aslan is a nice dog but his recent attack on his brother was HIS doing and with 2 giant dogs like that its not pretty.
I could go to Doggy day care and say "This is Aslan he is fine with dogs" then have a situation arise where he kills a dog!,i personally wouldnt put that risk on ANOTHER persons pooch.

[4dogs3cats]

Great posts guys.

I think everyone is so upset at the bad rap that pits are getting, they are defending them too much.

If someone were to ask me if I would rather get attacked by a pit or a lab, I would say lab. You can make them the same size and the same built and everything, I'd still rather the lab. The lab was not MADE for attacking and killing for crying out loud. The lab was made for carrying a duck gently in its mouth without damaging it. It knows how to control its teeth. All the defense for the pitbull has honestly led to some sugarcoating of the breed. The breed for me is too powerful for me to own. But I still love them.

[KDesirea]

Wow, this post has gone in an entirely different direction from my intent. I didn't mean for this to be a debate about trusting or not trusting pits. Honestly, it was more about me griping because I was feeling a little on the sensitive side and felt that Cocoa was treated unfairly.

In case anyone is interested, Cocoa spent all day at daycare yesterday and had a lot of supervised fun. She seemed so happy when I picked her up and the woman who supervised the play time (with other dogs her own size) said that she did really well and got along with the other dogs.

[4dogs3cats]

Originally Posted by KDesirea

Wow, this post has gone in an entirely different direction from my intent. I didn't mean for this to be a debate about trusting or not trusting pits. Honestly, it was more about me griping because I was feeling a little on the sensitive side and felt that Cocoa was treated unfairly.

In case anyone is interested, Cocoa spent all day at daycare yesterday and had a lot of supervised fun. She seemed so happy when I picked her up and the woman who supervised the play time (with other dogs her own size) said that she did really well and got along with the other dogs.

Thats great! Yeah the thread did take a turn, but there was a lot of good information on here! FWIW my brother HATES pitts with a passion. He thinks they should all be put down. He also thinks he is right 100% of the time. I have tried talking to him about it, but he doesnt get it. At first I was all- pits can do no more damage than labs etc, but through more research and reading everything apicey posts, I have a better understanding of the breed. By the way Cocoa is adorable and you SHOULD be very proud of her.

Oh also btw, here is my brothers dog- keep in mind he hates pits
Then

Now


How can you hate a breed when your own dog looks like he may have some in him???

[KDesirea]

Originally Posted by 4dogs3cats

Thats great! Yeah the thread did take a turn, but there was a lot of good information on here! FWIW my brother HATES pitts with a passion. He thinks they should all be put down. He also thinks he is right 100% of the time. I have tried talking to him about it, but he doesnt get it. At first I was all- pits can do no more damage than labs etc, but through more research and reading everything apicey posts, I have a better understanding of the breed. By the way Cocoa is adorable and you SHOULD be very proud of her.

Oh also btw, here is my brothers dog- keep in mind he hates pits
Then

Now


How can you hate a breed when your own dog looks like he may have some in him???

Wow! His dog does look like he has a little pit in him... I've come to find out that when it comes to our pets, love is often blind.

I agree. There really has been a lot of interesting stuff and has encouraged me to consider the genetic side more then I have in the past.... Will it affect whether or not I take Cocoa to play with other dogs at daycare? Probably not as long as she is having fun and being good.

[Spicy1_VV]

Mr Pooch I feel the same if I had a daycare/private rec. area (similar to a dog park) I would not admit Pits or certain other breeds. It really shouldn't even be an issue, these people would not get turned away if they were not trying to take their Pits there in the first place. It kind of makes no sense. You shouldn't have to make those policies in a perfect world. We'd just have educated and responsible Pit owners and they wouldn't be such a popular breed.

Originally Posted by 4dogs3cats

Great posts guys.

I think everyone is so upset at the bad rap that pits are getting, they are defending them too much.

If someone were to ask me if I would rather get attacked by a pit or a lab, I would say lab. You can make them the same size and the same built and everything, I'd still rather the lab. The lab was not MADE for attacking and killing for crying out loud. The lab was made for carrying a duck gently in its mouth without damaging it. It knows how to control its teeth. All the defense for the pitbull has honestly led to some sugarcoating of the breed. The breed for me is too powerful for me to own. But I still love them.

Yes I agree about the defending/sugar coating. People don't want to admit the truth about certain breeds because of BSL laws. But then they are doing more damage then good. It is like with any other breed, the person has no clue about the truth of the breed they've chosen and just get mixed answered or half truths. So when their dog does something bad that they were not expecting its just another blow. It is actually counter productive.

I think the whole Lab vs Pit thing is skewed as an attack on a human can be much different then two dogs fighting. When Pit Bulls fight it is different then when another breeds fight. When most other breeds fight a lot of times they don't even lay a bite but make a bunch of noise, go up on their back legs, make noise at each other, even snap at one another. Some times they do bite but its just a bite or two and the dogs pretty much give it up. It fizzles down or the owner is able to quickly have them stop.

Pit Bulls were not made for killing either. Lots of people are under the misconception that they were. The only thing they were made to attack were other dogs. You have to think when dogs are unstable the traits about the breed go out the window. APBTs were bred to have extreme bite inhibition towards humans and to be very loving/affectionate, ect with them. Even strangers. Yet APBTs attack and even kill people, including their own family members which is the complete opposite of the traits they are supposed to have. Just as there is the possibility for an unstable APBT to bite a person an unstable Lab could also do a lot of damage. They are not thinking about lightly carrying a duck with a soft mouth when they are mauling a person.

I really don't have a preference. There are too many variables. If a hard mouthed Pit grabbed my arm and started an attack I could end up with a broken arm, exposed bone, ton of nerve and tissue damage. If a soft mouth APBT grabbed my arm and started an attack I could end up with lots of bruising, maybe some broken skin here and there, lots of swelling. This is just like with protection dogs, some people think the dog is dangerous and is being trained to attack, even though the dog is probably safer that way. The dog is also being trained to stop the attack and to hold a bite unlike untrained dogs which rip and grab, inflicting multiple wounds. Pit Bulls are naturally gripping dogs so they will grab and hold, the problem with that is they don't let go. On the other hand the problem with other breeds is that they go let go but keep grabbing and inflict multiple punctures, gashing and such.

My only preference would be if I could pick the attributes of the individual and not so much the breed. If I had a choice I'd pick either a soft mouth APBT, with a short muzzle and blunt teeth tor a Lab that isn't committed to the bite and possibly has a couple worn or broken teeth. I'd also have to take into account the reason the dog was attacking. Perhaps you could get a Lab to stop easier with assistance, they could pull the Lab off where the Pit Bull would still have a hold. At least I'd hope so. That would be the major deciding factor for me.

The problem with dog on dog is a Pit Bull can merely grab a Yorkie and kill it in quickly, before a day care worker could ever get the Pit off. A Lab could hold its own (for awhile) against a Pit Bull but what happens when they can't get the dog off, the problem is that they don't want to stop like other dogs would. Even if the Lab is the aggressor after a few minutes it will likely be done with the fight (which is natural to canines) and then just try to get away and be crying instead of defending itself leaving the Pit more opportunity to do damage while the day care workers struggle to stop it.

[JenTN]

Originally Posted by 4dogs3cats

Great posts guys.

I think everyone is so upset at the bad rap that pits are getting, they are defending them too much.

If someone were to ask me if I would rather get attacked by a pit or a lab, I would say lab. You can make them the same size and the same built and everything, I'd still rather the lab. The lab was not MADE for attacking and killing for crying out loud. The lab was made for carrying a duck gently in its mouth without damaging it. It knows how to control its teeth. All the defense for the pitbull has honestly led to some sugarcoating of the breed. The breed for me is too powerful for me to own. But I still love them.

You hit the nail on the head Jenn. There has to be some middle ground between "all pits are bloodthirsty beasts" and "all pits will be wonderful with everyone and everything".

[MegaMuttMom]

Spicy, how would you look at my dog that is extremely well dog socialized and may or may not have pit in him. Some people look at him and see some pit, others don't. He could have some bully in him, or boxer. Should I continue to trust my dog with other dogs?

[Spicy1_VV]

Spudfan you're lucky though because Bull Terriers are not the craze. Imagine if it had been the other way and everyone wanted one of those.

Originally Posted by MegaMuttMom

Spicy, how would you look at my dog that is extremely well dog socialized and may or may not have pit in him. Some people look at him and see some pit, others don't. He could have some bully in him, or boxer. Should I continue to trust my dog with other dogs?

That is hard question to really answer. There are rescues which say to treat a Pit mix as a Pit, because you can't predict what breed traits the dog will have. But it is also hard without knowing if he has Pit or not. He could have no Pit at all. If you believe he has some Pit in him I would just be aware that those traits might show. If it is only a small amount though the traits are less likely to show. If you trust him to play with other dogs that is ok, mine play with other dogs. I'm not constantly paranoid that any minute they are going to tear into each other, I'm also not overly laid back where I think they've always been fine so nothing will happen. I'm aware of their traits and prepared to stop the fight before it turns bad.

Do you have other dogs in your home? Do you normally go to dog parks? Has he ever been in a confrontation or bullied? Has he ever been in a fight? I don't know much about his normal living situation. Can you post some pics.

[SpudFan]

Originally Posted by Spicy1_VV

Spudfan you're lucky though because Bull Terriers are not the craze. Imagine if it had been the other way and everyone wanted one of those.

Well to a large degree I have already been through it in South Africa where there was a stage where there where a lot of very dubiously bred Bull Terriers. Fortunately the dogs are generally fairly well bred for temperament these days although of course there are still the dogs that should never have been bred.

I think the other big thing there is dogs are not treated as children as much as they are over here.

To be perfectly honest my first set of Bull Terriers that I brought over with me where guard dogs as well as our pets and where encouraged to be protective. Over here we had to spend a considerable amount of time re-training them as it would not have been acceptable here.

One of my main reasons for leaning towards importing dogs is that I have not been overly impressed with a lot of the Bull Terrier breeders I have seen over here. I am also not familiar with a lot of the blood lines here so still have some concerns. Of course there are some awesome breeders as well, hopefully they will prevail but as we both know it only takes one dog put in a bad situation to blacken the name for many years.

[4dogs3cats]

Originally Posted by JenTN

You hit the nail on the head Jenn. There has to be some middle ground between "all pits are bloodthirsty beasts" and "all pits will be wonderful with everyone and everything".

yeah.. I was one of the ones who didnt know better.


Spicey thank you for your post. I realize now the lab/pit thing wasnt a GREAT comparison. But what I was getting at is that while both dogs may have the ability to fight and do damage, the lab doesnt have the same style as the pit.. Im just not great with the words lol.

I have been meaning to ask you. With all the dogs in your house, do they just have free roam? What is your pits living situation? If you wouldnt mind sharing?

[MegaMuttMom]

Do you have other dogs in your home? Do you normally go to dog parks? Has he ever been in a confrontation or bullied? Has he ever been in a fight? I don't know much about his normal living situation. Can you post some pics.[/quote]

He is a rescue dog that lived in a foster home with other dogs before we got him. He is an only dog now but he has shared our vacation house with several other dogs. We go off leash in a reservation every day. He chases chipmunks and squirrels but has never caught one though he is really fast, lots of people ask me if he's part greyhound. He has not shown any interested in actually catching, just sending them back to their holes or trees. He meets and plays with other dogs (he is actually quite popular with other owners and dogs) and has never had a fight.

He is a very submissive dog, he often rolls and shows his belly when dogs get gruff with him. He tucks his tail and leaves the room when his "cousin" cockapoo barks at him. He is a rough player with other rough players and entices chase with little dogs (he gets them to chase him), he does not chase them. If a dog shows no interest in him, he just walks past.

We have a cat that he likes to chase when she runs. He mouths and noses her but she has never had to use her claws on him.

He will be 2 this month. He has shown his teeth to another dog twice. Once was in obedience class when a lab puppy kept pouncing on him repeatedly. The trainer saw it as a proper correction. The other time was at a Wheaton Terrior who kept barking (for a long time) directly at him though he was standing sideways to the dog and chewing on a tree stump. He has never bitten another dog though he is a mouthy player with other rough players.

We feel fairly certain that he has a large dose of hound in him and a least a little shepherd. I could argue a point for about 10 different breeds being in him.

Here is a link to a picture thread, his name is Cherokee, I have posted other pictures on other threads too.
http://www.dogforums.com/8-dog-pictu...-veromont.html (Cherokee in Veromont)

[Spicy1_VV]

Originally Posted by SpudFan

Well to a large degree I have already been through it in South Africa where there was a stage where there where a lot of very dubiously bred Bull Terriers. Fortunately the dogs are generally fairly well bred for temperament these days although of course there are still the dogs that should never have been bred.

I think the other big thing there is dogs are not treated as children as much as they are over here.

To be perfectly honest my first set of Bull Terriers that I brought over with me where guard dogs as well as our pets and where encouraged to be protective. Over here we had to spend a considerable amount of time re-training them as it would not have been acceptable here.

One of my main reasons for leaning towards importing dogs is that I have not been overly impressed with a lot of the Bull Terrier breeders I have seen over here. I am also not familiar with a lot of the blood lines here so still have some concerns. Of course there are some awesome breeders as well, hopefully they will prevail but as we both know it only takes one dog put in a bad situation to blacken the name for many years.

A part of dog temperament issues IMO is people treating them like spoiled children. The ones who know how to raise a dog to be fit and happy are the ones who are called animals abuser and don't deserve dogs by the woman with the aggressive dog who's allowed to do whatever he wants. They are doing a disservice to their dog IMO, while the person who is training, exercising and working their dog probably has a happier or at least more stable dog. It is something for me to really understand and I've never lived in a place such as SA.

Originally Posted by 4dogs3cats

yeah.. I was one of the ones who didnt know better.


Spicey thank you for your post. I realize now the lab/pit thing wasnt a GREAT comparison. But what I was getting at is that while both dogs may have the ability to fight and do damage, the lab doesnt have the same style as the pit.. Im just not great with the words lol.

I have been meaning to ask you. With all the dogs in your house, do they just have free roam? What is your pits living situation? If you wouldnt mind sharing?

Ok I get what you mean. I just analyze too much sometimes so please forgive me on that. I start thinking well I'd want to know this or that first.

They have free roam of every room except the office. Bathroom door stays shut but they will sometimes follow me in there, 2 mainly that are very bad about it. Lots of Pits live together it is the potential that is the biggest issue not the actual DA. (that is one of the points I was trying to make earlier) I moved their room to upstairs, that way when we are gone if there is one left out downstairs or if someone else is here to take care of them (one at a time only if I'm not here) there shouldn't be an issue with fighting if another escapes as they'll just be wondering upstairs. I used to have them downstairs, one escaped and got into a fight with the other. I mentioned that on this forum before. The 4yr old and 9ry old which had never fought before, they got along with not only each other but other dogs big/small and male/female. After that they got along again just fine. One almost died though and the house was covered in blood.

Inside when needed I use baby gates and crate and rotate. Especially if their is a female in heat. I feel much safer with separate room closed door or crate to prevent a fight (or attempt at breeding) from happening rather then baby gate when I'm not right there. Sometimes when in heat they don't like other dogs messing with them so much. Example would one that DH let in the living room with him. I was like why did you let her in the room she's in heat. Not a second after I said that she growled at one of the other dogs for simply bumping into/smelling her, normally she would not do that. I do also use the undies for when they are in heat too. I still use the baby gate then just because of the fighting or breeding issue. So they are still separate from the other dogs.

Outside I use kennels and chains and also have fenced yards. The yards they use separate or together. It depends as I do individual play and training but also play together where it is more recreational and they just do whatever they want. Some can go 2 in kennel at times if I'm like right there and they are used to being together/buddies and very dog tolerant, almost submissive type. Past a certain age though I'm too cautious for that. (I know some who put 2-3 adult American Bullies in one kennel every day for extended periods without too much problems but sometimes things even happen with them) Some seem like they will be fine their whole lives, even now as adults and are the more submissive type towards other dogs. I still keep the potential in mind. Its not like I think about it all the time but basically I know how to intervene and stop it. Like if something happened with one that I think is 99% safe I wouldn't be in shock or anything.

MegaMuttMom he is very pretty. I love his color. I could see Pit but maybe not. Its hard to tell. I can see possibly some type of scent hound and greyhoud also. He is probably a mix of a few different breeds.