[zimandtakandgrrandmimi]

I was recently made aware that a local news station, WITN, is having a poll on whether or not to ban Pit Bulls in Eastern Carolina. I was also made aware that Pitt county has had a closed meeting and has now enacted a "dangerous animal" ordinance, currently already in effect. Pit Bulls are at the top of this list.





PLEASE VISIT THEIR WEBSITE AND VOICE YOUR OPINION.





PLEASE VOTE NO TO THIS BAN.

[bluedawg]

Voted. Link, poll is about halfway down on the right side.

[Mycathinks hesadog]

zimand......

In case your not aware, here's a couple of links to places w/ TONS of information on what you can do to stop this legislation from moving forward:

www.badrap.org

www.arottalove.org

This kind of stuff angers me, even on a Friday. Ugh.

[sw_df27]

I just had to fight that battle here in Little Rock, AR and we lost we now have a dangerous breed law that only has APBT's on it so We moved lol

[JackiesZoo]

I voted. I am looking forward to saving a pit when I move but I am so worried about all of these law battles going on all over the place. Won't stop me though.

Good going sw_df27.

[ACampbell]

I voted as well...with the military bases and such in NC I couldn't resist because who knows, we could be stationed there next!

[SpudFan]

Looks like 57.5% are in favor of the ban.

[JDub]

I'm not going to vote either way...but can say, I do not like Pit's. I dont trust them at all. I know some can be very nice dogs...even my brother used to have a pit-mix, and she was nice, but I still didnt trust her.

And given that odds are, if there is a dog attack a pit is statistically likely to be involved, I cant say that I'm surprised that so many cities/states are doing this.

[ACampbell]

Not to drag this into a pro-pit conversation...but sometimes the statistics are "weighted" due to the media attention and such...a lot of dogs are labeled "pitbull" when they are of mixed heritage or someone mislabels them...I saw in the local news where a "pitbull" attacked someone the other day...sure, if pitbulls now look like a beagle then I'll go with that...
All I'm saying is that the name "pitbull" sells more newspapers and air-time than "golden retriever" or any other breed doing a bad deed...
Not too long ago it was the Rottweiler and the GSD, and of course the Doberman Pinscher...
I'm sure they'll find another breed to witch-hunt later on.

[zimandtakandgrrandmimi]

Originally Posted by JDub

I'm not going to vote either way...but can say, I do not like Pit's. I dont trust them at all. I know some can be very nice dogs...even my brother used to have a pit-mix, and she was nice, but I still didnt trust her.

And given that odds are, if there is a dog attack a pit is statistically likely to be involved, I cant say that I'm surprised that so many cities/states are doing this.

statistically more likely to be involved?!?

let me tell you about statistics...they are only as good as those who present them...

I invite you to do a little research starting with these websites

www.workingpitbull.com

www.pbrc.net

bad rap mentioned above is another good one..

www.lawdogsusa.org


I want to ask why you do not like or trust pit bulls? and then I would like to know if you have ever met a well kept pit bull? can you tell me EXACTLY what a pit bull looks like?
what about amstaff? are they pit bulls? or bull terriers? or any other of the varied breeds commonly referred to by the press as pits? one woman had her JACK RUSSELL TERRIER taken by ac in a breed restricted area because a jack fit the OVERGENERALIZED description of a pit bull!

were you bitten by a pit bull?

is that why you dislike them?

well then I have every reason in the world to hate german shepards and poodles and call for breed bans on both the breeds by that logic....but I don't...a dog is a dog and if a dog has been repeatedly exposed to negative stimuli...it will bite...regardless of breed...please ask me any questions..my experience with pit bulls is at your disposal...

[JDub]

Nope....Never been bitten by a dog in my life.

You ask if I've ever been around a well kept one...did you read my post? My brother had a mix. Sweet dog, but not with other dogs. And as much as I knew she'd never do anything, if she was still alive now, now that I have kids, I would never in a million years leave her alone with my children.

As for all the other questions...if I really cared to jump into a Pit Bull debate, I'd answer them. As is, I see no place for them in society and am very thankful to live in a neighborhood that has none.

I'm sure a lot you have a lot of wonder pits....but they're just not for me.

[zimandtakandgrrandmimi]

Originally Posted by JDub

Nope....Never been bitten by a dog in my life.

You ask if I've ever been around a well kept one...did you read my post? My brother had a mix. Sweet dog, but not with other dogs. And as much as I knew she'd never do anything, if she was still alive now, now that I have kids, I would never in a million years leave her alone with my children.

As for all the other questions...if I really cared to jump into a Pit Bull debate, I'd answer them. As is, I see no place for them in society and am very thankful to live in a neighborhood that has none.

I'm sure a lot you have a lot of wonder pits....but they're just not for me.

then why respond to this post at all?

fact one: pits have been specifically bred for gentleness with humans..they have been known as 'nanny dogs' for over a hundred years. any dog in the old days that displayed any increment of human aggression(not dog aggression, two very different things) was immediately put down.
my dog is responsible for saving my son's life on THREE separate occasions. he gets sick and she knows when he's having an attack before anyone else...

pits are detection dogs, therapy dogs, excellent at most dog sports and the most loving canine companions ever. they have a hard time because folks think they would be good guard dogs. they are typically too people friendly and you really have to be extra cruel to a sound pit bull to make it turn on humans...

but why post on this thread just to say you hate pits and don't trust them?

if I were a more suspicious person i'd suspect that of being troll-like...

here's a fun game for all you pit bull naysayers...

can YOU pick out the pit bull?

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

[French Ring]

This will be a bad news for pitbull owners.

I hate breed specific law! It is not helping anything!

[ACampbell]

No joke, why state your views on not trusting them if you don't want to start a big debate on here...certainly by now you know it's a "hot" topic on DF.
I have children (ages 4 yrs, 21 months, and will have a newborn in August), and I would trust no other dogs more. That being said, NO DOG should EVER be left alone with small children, EVER! I don't care if it's a Great Dane or a Chihuahua - you never know what could happen.

You have experience with a Pit MIX - Mixed with what? It's hard to assess an animal on it's characteristics when you are only seeing HALF the picture - i.e. half the breeding. That's like me saying that I wouldn't like somebody because they are half Arabic and that all Arabic people are bad because there's a group of them that are psycho! (oh yes, I went there, I'm half Arabic so I'm allowed :-) )

Statistics are just that...written by people who may or may not be biased. So, since I'm not a big fan of a certain breed and I want to make them look bad, I can curve my statistics to match that. Example:
If I don't like GSD's (I'm not saying I don't, actually I love them) and I want to prove that I could compare them to other breeds for bite statistics - now while I"m doing that, to prove my biased point, I'd add in all the bite occurances when used by police and homeowners as guard dogs - I wouldn't add those of the comparison breeds in...now see how biased that would be? Is that right to do? No, but when you have people that HATE a breed due to whatever reason making up statistics or trying to prove their point...well all is fair in love and war.

Originally Posted by zimandtakandgrrandmimi

if I were a more suspicious person i'd suspect that of being troll-like...

here's a fun game for all you pit bull naysayers...

can YOU pick out the pit bull?

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

On this note, to be honest...I (an APBT owner) got it wrong on "finding the pitbull" - now that says something there. I'm no expert, nor do I claim to be one, but if someone who has researched the breed, owns one, and should be able to pick one out of a line-up can't do it...how is the general dog-ignorant person going to know the difference?

As for the troll like comment...I'd tend to agree, it's begging for a big fight.

[applesmom]

If there was a ban under discussion right now in my area for Chows and anything that even remotely looked like a pit bull I'd back it 100 percent!

No, I don't hate pits and pit mixes; I hate what is happening to these poorly bred abused and neglected dogs and the continuous litters they produce twice a year. They're allowed to roam at will risking death on every corner either by cars or in dog fights. The poor females roam free followed by packs of males, their nipples already hanging down to their knees from previous litters.

These mixed dog packs of mangy (literally) chows and pits are a danger to small children and pets since the streets are filled with children playing or walking home from school. At the first sound of a dog fight every kid runs excitedly toward the excitement. Many times with their tiny Chihuahua's on a leash yapping beside them.

At night they're outside our bedroom windows barking frantically and non stop at the feral cats that have taken to the trees and roofs to avoid them.

Will animal control come and get them? Yep they sure will if we can guarantee that we have them confined in a fenced yard so all they have to do is pick them up. These dogs are so street smart they know every possible escape route making them virtually impossible to catch.

All this and my county offers free spay and neuters for pits and pit mixes plus every owner that has it done gets a tax free check for $20.00! The free spay and $20.00 incentive hasn't made one bit of difference in the pit and pit mix population!

The pups that are born from these Spring matings will be given away, sold on street corners or dumped at the shelter. Six months from now the shelter will be overflowing with out of control young dogs, most of which will be euthanized.

I would support a ban not because I hate pits and chows, but because these poor dogs are doomed the moment they're conceived.

[Darkmoon]

So, just because of some bad people, you would make an owner like myself have that much harder of a time with my dog? YOu'd BAN my dog just because of his breed?






Thanks OH SO MUCH for turning your back on me and my dog. MAYBE oh just MAYBE there may be another way to deal with problem pit bulls.. Hmm.... maybe manditory S/N for all pit bulls not being shown... hmmmm.... Maybe manditory S/n of any human involved with Fighting or dangerous dogs peiord...

Yeah BAN ALL DOGS!!!!!!! IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO BE SURE!!!!!!!

Thanks again for making another Pit bull owners life that much worse....

[zimandtakandgrrandmimi]

Originally Posted by applesmom

If there was a ban under discussion right now in my area for Chows and anything that even remotely looked like a pit bull I'd back it 100 percent!

No, I don't hate pits and pit mixes; I hate what is happening to these poorly bred abused and neglected dogs and the continuous litters they produce twice a year. They're allowed to roam at will risking death on every corner either by cars or in dog fights. The poor females roam free followed by packs of males, their nipples already hanging down to their knees from previous litters.

These mixed dog packs of mangy (literally) chows and pits are a danger to small children and pets since the streets are filled with children playing or walking home from school. At the first sound of a dog fight every kid runs excitedly toward the excitement. Many times with their tiny Chihuahua's on a leash yapping beside them.

At night they're outside our bedroom windows barking frantically and non stop at the feral cats that have taken to the trees and roofs to avoid them.

Will animal control come and get them? Yep they sure will if we can guarantee that we have them confined in a fenced yard so all they have to do is pick them up. These dogs are so street smart they know every possible escape route making them virtually impossible to catch.

All this and my county offers free spay and neuters for pits and pit mixes plus every owner that has it done gets a tax free check for $20.00! The free spay and $20.00 incentive hasn't made one bit of difference in the pit and pit mix population!

The pups that are born from these Spring matings will be given away, sold on street corners or dumped at the shelter. Six months from now the shelter will be overflowing with out of control young dogs, most of which will be euthanized.

I would support a ban not because I hate pits and chows, but because these poor dogs are doomed the moment they're conceived.

then when all the pits pit mixes and pit look a likes are gone, and I do mean gone, who next? gsds? there are hundreds of shepards and mixes that are abused and neglected and end up as strays. pointers? labradors? there was a woman who had her FACE EATEN by her own black lab while she slept! Ban them too! they EAT PEOPLE!

when you restrict a breed you are discriminating not only against that breed but against a cross section of the population. you make those who show nothing but respect and love to their animals in to demons!

why should I have to flee my home to save a beloved member of my family? I feel like a jew in nazi germany dreading the day when the gestapo come to drag my loved ones away to the chambers!

owner oriented laws and programs make soooo much more sense than bsl! make sure ALL owners treat ALL dogs with love and respect!

toughen leash and containment and registration laws regarding ALL breeds! set up cheap speuter progams for ALL breeds! educate people! toughen and enforce these laws for ALL DOGS AND ALL OWNERS!

i'm done with this thread...

[ACampbell]

While I can understand where you are coming from...what good does it really do to punish the owners and dogs of responsible owners? Unfortunately, an actual ban does this. You must be in the Tucson or Phoenix area (Pima and Maricopa Co. are the only ones I knew of that gave the free spay and neuters)
Luke AFB in Phoenix already has a ban on Pitbulls - so if you owned a pitbull and were in the air force assigned to Luke's...you couldn't live on base. (We were at Ft Huachuca, AZ up until February and I grew up in AZ) All that does is punish families like mine that love their pets but can't afford to live on the economy due to the lack of housing allowance (Ft Huachuca had you live in base housing or they'd give you $907 a month to pay for rent, electric, and gas - definetely not enough given what they pay soldiers) http://usmilitary.about.com/od/housi...08bahewdaz.htm
Can you find a decent place to live (not in the ghetto) that is big enough for a family of 5 and pets? It's hard to do -and it's not like you chose to live there. This isn't the only military base with a ban either, at least 1 of the marine bases in California has it as well.
So, I should have to give up my pets because the military barely pays enough to scrape by on rent and such if you live off the military base that we need to live on the base? I hardly think that's fair at all, I didn't choose to move to that military base, the government chose for me...and it's not like I can say "No, thank you, but I'd rather not" LOL. So, since my husband is one of many that fights for the freedom that YOU enjoy, we should not be allowed the freedom of owning a pitbull? Why is that? Obviously people like you seem to think so, because it did get banned at Luke AFB.

It's things like that that make me fight banning breeds. I agree it is terrible that they end up in shelters doomed . . . but would a breed ban fix that problem? I think there'd still be an issue, the only thing it would do is up the price of a puppy to the little gangbangers and probably make more people produce them or import them from areas the ban does not affect yet.
Then when these little gangbangers get "busted" with a banned breed...the dog is still doomed and to await execution.

Just because drugs are illegal doesn't mean that they still won't be sold - I think the same principle applies here.

Also...the free spay and neuter, while being great...is NOT common knowledge among the general public...you have to do research to find that out (I didn't know about it until I went digging online for a lower priced neuter but since I didn't live in THAT county it wasn't available to me...now how does that help?)
Make the free S/N available to more people - not everyone is saavy enough to do research and these are the people that need it the most!

[applesmom]

I honestly don't have an answer for the peril of the pits and pit mixes.

But the question could be reversed; since for every pit or pit mix in a responsible home, there are hundreds or possibly even thousands that are born only to die in shelters.

Is it right to conclude that all those poor dogs deserve to be born only to die of abuse or neglect, just so the minority of responsible owners can have their pits?

[Darkmoon]

Originally Posted by applesmom

I honestly don't have an answer for the peril of the pits and pit mixes.

But the question could be reversed; since for every pit or pit mix in a responsible home, there are hundreds or possibly even thousands that are born only to die in shelters.

Is it right to conclude that all those poor dogs deserve to be born only to die of abuse or neglect, just so the minority of responsible owners can have their pits?

How about all those Golden retrevers, Pugs, Rotts, Dobermans, Lab, every other breed in bad homes? What you are saying is COMPLETELY wrong. IF its not Pits then it is some other breed. It was German Shepards, then Rotts, then Dobermans, now Pit bulls.

The pit bull breed is FANTASTIC, I love the breed and I will fight for it all the way. Sadly its people like you Apple that make me have to do it. Maybe we should ban your breed of dog because there people who abuse them and are irresponsible owners!