Is this submissive behavior? (Video)

Durbkat · 04-26-2008, 06:31 PM

Snoopy usually likes dogs, not when he is on a leash though and the other dog isn't, but he does like to play and run with other dogs. A neighbor of ours got a 6 week old daschund puppy and the way Snoopy acted was different than he would normally act. A member on my other topic that I posted with pics of the puppy said that in the wild if a male dog so much as looks at a young puppy that the mom would beat the crap out of it and that he was acting on instinct. Could that be true? This was his first time meeting a puppy that young. Here is a video of the behavior. And sorry that its not really long but the puppy looked like it was about to go potty so I had to stop the video and pick it up.

Alpha · 04-26-2008, 06:43 PM

I wouldn't say that's submissive behaviour.

I would say fearful! LOL

Roxy acts like that around puppies, knocking people over though to get away.

At the very beginning when he was lying down, if he would've rolled, or tilted his head to the side on the ground maybe.

But just running away? Nope, not submissive behaviour to me. And I don't think an older dog would show submissive behaviours to a puppy, perhaps a breeder may correct me on that.

I think most "normal", stable dogs, are very gentle with puppies, until a certain age, around 4 months. Very careful with them and freaked out by their sketchy behaviours. But I don't think "submissive" is the term to be used for being "careful".

Curbside Prophet · 04-26-2008, 06:46 PM

I'd say the beating by mama dog is rather baseless, if not untrue completely. As for your dog's behavior it looks like a natural fear of novelty, not submissiveness.

Durbkat · 04-26-2008, 06:50 PM

Thanks for clearing that up. So you think that it was just being careful or fearful of it? If its fearfullness is there anything I can do to fix it? I'm not sure if he will be able to see the puppy again as last night the owners boyfriend was drunk and sat on the puppy. It's at the vet but they are not sure if it will make it.

I'm going to be taking Snoopy to the dog park this summer after I get his license and then a permit for the park so hopefully that will help if he has any fear of dogs.

DobManiac · 04-26-2008, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpha

I wouldn't say that's submissive behaviour.

I would say fearful! LOL

Roxy acts like that around puppies, knocking people over though to get away.

At the very beginning when he was lying down, if he would've rolled, or tilted his head to the side on the ground maybe.

But just running away? Nope, not submissive behaviour to me. And I don't think an older dog would show submissive behaviours to a puppy, perhaps a breeder may correct me on that.

I think most "normal", stable dogs, are very gentle with puppies, until a certain age, around 4 months. Very careful with them and freaked out by their sketchy behaviours. But I don't think "submissive" is the term to be used for being "careful".

I agree. When I first brought Dusk home, Dawn jumped on the couch to get away from him. And she NEVER jumps on the couch. She was scared to death of him. Or maybe confused is a better way to put it. But she had played with dogs at training class every saturday. So she was used to being around other dogs.

I think it also had something to do with bringing Dusk into the house. Dawn had lived in this house solo for 1 and 1/2. It was a shock to bring in some animal that looked like a dog, but didn't quite act like one.

Dogs just react differently with puppies. All of my dogs are very careful around them. There is a definint difference in their behavior when we approach a puupy as a opposed to a dog.

Durbkat · 04-26-2008, 06:56 PM

Did dawn eventually warm up to dusk? Because if we ever moved into a house we will get another shih tzu puppy and I wouldn't want Snoopy living in fear of the puppy forever.

Alpha · 04-26-2008, 07:06 PM

Oh no, Roxy warmed up to Hades! ROFL!

And a few friends have had puppie around, and after some time Roxy even warms up to them.

Puppies are just wonky little creatures, that show no signs of the body language normal dogs give or "agilie" movements! ROFL!

Puppies are like drunken sailors, coming on with quick bursts of speed before hitting a wobble. It's creepy! Ha ha!

Roxy was very careful with Hades until he hit that magic age of 4 months when she literally beat the tar out of him. It's a normal ritual with dogs, taking away the "puppy pass", and Hades handled it as best he could! LOL

Snoopy didn't seem in anyway ready to "react" on fear if that's what it even was, so I would be more apt to lean towards he was just freaked out and being careful of the puppy. I wouldn't worry too much Durb.

Dob - ROFL! I know exactly what your talking about! Now don't get me wrong puppies are cute, but there were times when it was much funnier to watch Roxy trying to evade little Hades than Hades himself. Running into walls with her head turned backwards eyeing him as she tried to take off, knocking over my parents as she dove between her legs... All the while, little Hades puppy, just speed wobbling towards her to chew on her legs

LMAO!

Durbkat · 04-26-2008, 07:14 PM

Ha ha. Maybe it was also because he was in his puppy proof area where there isn't alot of space for him to get away. If the puppy survives I will bring it around more. It will be good socialization for the pup though. lol

DobManiac · 04-26-2008, 07:16 PM

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Did dawn eventually warm up to dusk? Because if we ever moved into a house we will get another shih tzu puppy and I wouldn't want Snoopy living in fear of the puppy forever.

They sleep in spooning position now. Dusk can be a little annoying. But Dawn has always been the alpha dog, so she sets him straight then moves on about her business.

When Ollie moved in, it was a lot easier on Dawn. She didn't have any negative reactions to her what so ever. Dusk has always lived in a multiple dog household, so he really didn't care either. In fact he lets Ollie chew on his ears to the point of pretty deep scratches without telling her to back off. I now have to make sure she isn't biting down, because he's just a sap for the attention.

But I think the turning point for Dawn came when she realized Dusk was staying. I still gave her one on one time with me, so she didn't feel neglected. But Dusk came in and become a part of the household. Within a couple of weeks they were rough housing on the floor.

It also helped that he was an older puppy. Dusk was already 9 weeks when I got him. So when he came in Dusk had to fend for himself when it came to Dawn. I didn't coddle him. He was put in his place by her quite a few times during the first few weeks. My advice is to let that happen. If you take the puppy's side because she is little and cute, you might very well end up with a pissed off Snoopy on your hands.

golden&hovawart · 04-26-2008, 07:17 PM

Wouldn't call it submissive!.He looks like he wants to play but at the same time doesn't seem confortable with the pup!.He's more wary than scared.

FriendsOfZoe · 04-26-2008, 07:17 PM

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last night the owners boyfriend was drunk and sat on the puppy. It's at the vet but they are not sure if it will make it.

Durb, are you serious? That's just horrible. Absolutely horrible. Some people.

Inga · 04-26-2008, 07:22 PM

That is sickening! some people should NOT be allowed to have dogs. How very sad for this little puppy.

Durbkat · 04-26-2008, 07:23 PM

It was an accident, but yes its horrible. The pup shouldn't have been out if the bf was drunk. I don't approve of how these people take care of their dogs. They have another dog already but they yell and curse at it and slap it when it doesn't do what they want. The dog has no clue what's expected of it and it has an uneven temperment. One day it would love Snoopy then the next it would lung at him barking its head off showing its teeth when we try to walk outside and the owner is sitting outside with it. Hopefully this puppy won't be the same but I know they probably just got it from someone who's dogs had an accident and was selling the pups for money.

DobManiac · 04-26-2008, 07:32 PM

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I'm not sure if he will be able to see the puppy again as last night the owners boyfriend was drunk and sat on the puppy. It's at the vet but they are not sure if it will make it.

I guess I will just never understand how stuff like this happens. I don't even know if I want to.