[jesirose]

Originally Posted by Canadian Dog

It's only us old folks who know about Mr. Ed. It was a tv show years ago with a talking horse.

Maybe Oinest is not Mr. Ed but Francis the talking mule.

So Oinest is like a fictional talking horse, but he doesn't talk and isn't a horse. Hmmm.

[dog-man]

Originally Posted by MegaMuttMom

I repeat, my dog is exactly the same way. He is allowed is full dog-dom off leash every day and has tremendous manners in the house. He is respected the same way my children are respected. You don't get how over-the-top you sound about your dog. Why do you keep asking people to understand how more "special" your Oinest is? It is ridiculous to me. I have a dog that is equally as special. Get over it already.

first of all, maybe your dog is special too.

i don't think Oinest is one of a kind, but neither do i think he is a dime a dozen.----------------

when it comes to humans, the vast, vast majority of us seem to be in the same basic range, intellectually and emotionally.
there is, of course, a wide range, but not huge leaps and bounds, IMHO.

however, throughout history, there seem to have been certain geniuses in intellect, spirituality and emotions, that existed on a different plane than the rest of us.

i'm not sure that the dog world is the same as this.

there may be a very large gap, just from breed to breed.

also, the way they are raised can make a big difference.

a forum like this might have more people on this wave length...but, it's amazing how many dog owners are out there, who love their dogs, but don't understand about stimulating their personality (even if they understand it for their kids).

also, i think there may be a difference between what i would call treating with respect and dignity, and what many would call love and affection.

anyway, my purpose is not to press buttons and prove i am better, or that oinest is better.i
i do purposefully say things in a certain way, to get the thought going.
don't get bogged down in that.

i actually do think he might be on a superior level.
the fact that i get so many comments about his unique human qualities makes me think i am not nuts.

however, i do think that it possible i originally underestimated the depth of dogs, and that much of my experience with oinest is more common than i might have thought.

my objective now is to get people to consider the possibility that there are levels to which dogs are capable of, beyond what our previous experience has gotten us used to...even experienced dog people.

and, thank you, ellsa's mom...but i can handle this...don't worry.

Originally Posted by jesirose

So Oinest is like a fictional talking horse, but he doesn't talk and isn't a horse. Hmmm.

to me, the communication we have, is close to talking.

[Laurelin]

You know, i've been thinking on this a bit...

This is your first dog, right?

I think you may be trying to describe what a lot of people will describe as their 'heart dog'. Their special dog that they connect to on a different level than their others for whatever reason. I find some dog people will claim one heart dog, others will claim to have the same deep relationship with several of their dogs over time and others will say they don't believe in a 'heart dog' and that every relationship they have with every dog in their life is different and deep in some other way.

Just a thought.

[dog-man]

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also, the point i would like to make...

obviously dogs are qualitatively lower than humans in intellect...they aren't going to the moon any time soon.

however, i think their emotional quotient is very underrated, even by many who love them.
the emotional level they exist on, and the potential they can reach, if properly developed.

i think they are, in many way, emotionally deeper than us.

[Roscosmom]

Rosco sits behind the wheel like that if I leave him in the car for a minute, or run back in the house to get something. It always cracks me up to return finding him staring straight ahead, ears in full alert. I fall in love with him all over again each day. Last week he and Harlie followed me out to the garage for something out of the car. They both presumptuously hopped in and would NOT get out when I told them we weren't going anywhere. My daughter and I stood at the front of the car and laughed hysterically over Rosco in the drivers seat and Harlie sitting shot gun. She said they looked like they were on a doggy date, heh.

[Curbside Prophet]

Originally Posted by Doggy in the window

Duck duck goose.

I prefer Red Rover.

[dog-man]

Originally Posted by Laurelin

You know, i've been thinking on this a bit...

This is your first dog, right?

I think you may be trying to describe what a lot of people will describe as their 'heart dog'.

yeah, i get that...not only do i relate to him a certain way, but he is responding in kind.

but waht is interesting, is all the strangers, who don't just admire him as a dog...but as a dog that THEY have never experienced before.

[Ella'sMom]

Originally Posted by dog-man

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also, the point i would like to make...

obviously dogs are qualitatively lower than humans in intellect...they aren't going to the moon any time soon.

however, i think their emotional quotient is very underrated, even by many who love them.
the emotional level they exist on, and the potential they can reach, if properly developed.

i think they are, in many way, emotionally deeper than us.

Ella actually is planning on going to the moon. One small leap for cockapoo, one giant leap for dog-kind.

[pamperedpups]

"We spent ninety jillion dollars
tryin' to get a look at Mars
I hear Universal laughter
ringing out amongst the stars" Fruitcakes, Buffett


Also, humans are the only species who will elect and follow an unfit leader. I don't think we're all that smart.

[Mudra]

Originally Posted by dog-man

to me, the communication we have, is close to talking.

For some reason, this part made me laugh. I do not disagree that we all look at our dogs and say to ourselves "THEY ARE SPECIAL, they are not like any other dogs I KNOW." When your dog starts talking to you like a real person can, I will be very very happy for you. I'll be very proud that once in my life, I met someone (even through a forum), who made his dog more human than a real human. Truth is, there are human that are not worthy to be human at all.

I am a firm believer of the saying "LIVE and let LIVE." Your dog is special. In your eyes he is. I will never question anyone who thinks their dog is special. MY DOGS are more special, at least to my own pair of eyes. Oh, and my dogs are smart enough to ring the bell when they want to come inside the house, while there's still some idiot who knocks on my door eventhough the doorbell is right in front of his face.

[MegaMuttMom]

Originally Posted by dog-man

first of all, maybe your dog is special too.

i don't think Oinest is one of a kind, but neither do i think he is a dime a dozen.----------------

when it comes to humans, the vast, vast majority of us seem to be in the same basic range, intellectually and emotionally.
there is, of course, a wide range, but not huge leaps and bounds, IMHO.

however, throughout history, there seem to have been certain geniuses in intellect, spirituality and emotions, that existed on a different plane than the rest of us.

i'm not sure that the dog world is the same as this.

there may be a very large gap, just from breed to breed.

also, the way they are raised can make a big difference.

a forum like this might have more people on this wave length...but, it's amazing how many dog owners are out there, who love their dogs, but don't understand about stimulating their personality (even if they understand it for their kids).

also, i think there may be a difference between what i would call treating with respect and dignity, and what many would call love and affection.

anyway, my purpose is not to press buttons and prove i am better, or that oinest is better.i
i do purposefully say things in a certain way, to get the thought going.
don't get bogged down in that.

i actually do think he might be on a superior level.
the fact that i get so many comments about his unique human qualities makes me think i am not nuts.

however, i do think that it possible i originally underestimated the depth of dogs, and that much of my experience with oinest is more common than i might have thought.

my objective now is to get people to consider the possibility that there are levels to which dogs are capable of, beyond what our previous experience has gotten us used to...even experienced dog people.

and, thank you, ellsa's mom...but i can handle this...don't worry.




to me, the communication we have, is close to talking.

I do believe the vast majority of regular posters on this forum feel the same way about their dogs.

If you were being helpful to others and posted on threads where people are asking for help, I think you would garner more respect. It seems that you are just interested in talking about your dog and not reaching out to others in any way.

All dogs are capable of deep relationships with their people and, depending on how you like to define it, it can be almost human.

When I speak to Cherokee he looks me in the eyes and listens with rapt attention to every word. He tilts his head in recognition and I can almost hear him thinking. The same is true of my cat who I have an intensely personal relationship with. Both my dog and my cat have gone out of their way to give comfort to people in my family when they are hurting. It is not asked of them, it just seems to be part of the animals they are. I don't think this is unusual at all, I think it is what animals do and is a big part of the reason many people have pets.

Cherokee is a rescue dog and you have said all kinds of things about rescue dogs that have deeply offended me and I have refrained from posting in order to not allow the thread to be hijacked.

What you have with your dog, in my opinion, has nothing to do with him being a certain breed or more special. It comes from having an owner with a point of view about his dog that allows those things to be seen.

I would like to see you get a rescue dog and treat it with the same love and respect with which you treat Oinest and you will see that it really is not about the dog, it is about the owner. There are lots of us on this board.

[Elana55]

Sometimes you are fortunate enough in the world to have an animal (or a person) with whom you click. I have been EXTREMELY fortunate in having several animals like this and a couple of people.

These are the horses you ride where you just think what you are going to do next and your subtle shift is recognized by the horse and acted on appropriately. These are the dogs where you can just look or wave your hand and the dog reads your intent and behaves accordingly. These are the people you can be with and say nothing for hours and have a complete conversation. It is something that training enhances but not something you can train. These animals and people are usually ones with whom you spend vast amounts of time so that overt communication is no longer a necessity.

Perhaps this dog Oinest is such an animal for dog-man. Perhaps not. I almost hope not as if your first animal is this special, when that animal passes (and they all do) all subsequent animals will be held up to this first one as a measure. All past this one wil be somehow less, even when they are not.

If you have owned and handled a LOT of animals as I have you go past the rare ones and take each one as its own individual without a lot of comparison. You learn to rejoice in their differences.. and as you move on, you may move forward and get yet another one of those rare individuals.

[Pax]

Originally Posted by Roscosmom

Rosco sits behind the wheel like that if I leave him in the car for a minute, or run back in the house to get something. It always cracks me up to return finding him staring straight ahead, ears in full alert.

My dog does that, too. The other day he was sitting there when I left the bank, and I jumped into the passenger's seat. You know, like as if he was going to drive me home. Now THAT would have been special.

[jesirose]

Originally Posted by MegaMuttMom

Both my dog and my cat have gone out of their way to give comfort to people in my family when they are hurting. It is not asked of them, it just seems to be part of the animals they are. I don't think this is unusual at all, I think it is what animals do and is a big part of the reason many people have pets.

This is SO true. My cats know when I have a cold or flu or something and stay by my side non-stop. Whereas humans just bring each other soup.

[Laurelin]

Originally Posted by Elana55

Sometimes you are fortunate enough in the world to have an animal (or a person) with whom you click. I have been EXTREMELY fortunate in having several animals like this and a couple of people.

These are the horses you ride where you just think what you are going to do next and your subtle shift is recognized by the horse and acted on appropriately. These are the dogs where you can just look or wave your hand and the dog reads your intent and behaves accordingly. These are the people you can be with and say nothing for hours and have a complete conversation. It is something that training enhances but not something you can train. These animals and people are usually ones with whom you spend vast amounts of time so that overt communication is no longer a necessity.

Perhaps this dog Oinest is such an animal for dog-man. Perhaps not. I almost hope not as if your first animal is this special, when that animal passes (and they all do) all subsequent animals will be held up to this first one as a measure. All past this one wil be somehow less, even when they are not.

If you have owned and handled a LOT of animals as I have you go past the rare ones and take each one as its own individual without a lot of comparison. You learn to rejoice in their differences.. and as you move on, you may move forward and get yet another one of those rare individuals.

That is very well stated. I think many of us will identify with having that kind of an animal.

[JenTN]

Awww, dog-man for once I know exactly what you mean.

I feel like Bo is an extremely special dog. I feel that the different. breeds and mixes each have special qualities that speak to people in a different way. I love labs because they seem to never know a stranger and just thrive around people. Huskies seem to be "all-knowing" to me and always just look spectacular and so muscular. Dobermans alwasy appear to be so intelligent and regal, they look like they should be gaurding Fort Knox. Great Danes are somehow stunning and goofy at the same time, and well deserve their "gentle giant" nickname. I could go on about all breeds, but those are a few of my faves

I also think that WELL SOCIALIZED (with dogs and people) dogs are rare, so when people see them they are truly amazed.

I took Bo through a Taco Bell drive thru a couple of weeks after we got him. The girls in the window were so excited over him that he tried to leap through the window to them and my daughter was jealous that they ignored her.

I also have had people at the park ask WHERE I got Bo from because he was so well-behaved. I replied that he came from the pound but his behavior was a result of training.

[MegaMuttMom]

Originally Posted by JenTN

I also think that WELL SOCIALIZED (with dogs and people) dogs are rare, so when people see them they are truly amazed.


I also have had people at the park ask WHERE I got Bo from because he was so well-behaved. I replied that he came from the pound but his behavior was a result of training.

I get the same thing. People want a dog just like mine and always ask his breed. Megamutt is my answer. He really is one of a kind and went through rescue and is the most amazing dog I have ever met. But then, he is mine and, of course, I think that. I can't tell you how many times my husband just looks at our dog and tells him how truly amazing he is. He can't get over it But, strangers and friends do verify it for us on a regular basis. Good training and socialization bring out the very best in dogs, don't they?

[dog-man]

Originally Posted by Elana55

Sometimes you are fortunate enough in the world to have an animal (or a person) with whom you click.

elana, you write very well when you're not pissed off.

well said...i think you SHOULD write a book of your experiences.

Originally Posted by MegaMuttMom

I would like to see you get a rescue dog and treat it with the same love and respect with which you treat Oinest and you will see that it really is not about the dog, it is about the owner. There are lots of us on this board.

i think it is the dog AND the owner.

it's not so simple what i will do for the next dog...besides my own needs of having a dog i am not allergic to, no man is an island...

have to deal with preferences of my wife, children etc.

btw, my wife says i got her the dog she always fantasized about as a kid.

if only she felt the same way about me...

[JenTN]

Originally Posted by MegaMuttMom

I get the same thing. People want a dog just like mine and always ask his breed. Megamutt is my answer. He really is one of a kind and went through rescue and is the most amazing dog I have ever met. But then, he is mine and, of course, I think that. I can't tell you how many times my husband just looks at our dog and tells him how truly amazing he is. He can't get over it But, strangers and friends do verify it for us on a regular basis. Good training and socialization bring out the very best in dogs, don't they?

Yes, they most certainly do! I take it as a huge compliment when people talk about how well-behaved he is. Of course, I chuckle a bit to myself when people ask what kind he is so they can get one like him, yet I'm running around the park covered in sweat and smelling like a big chunk of liver, clicking the clicker 100's of times and dispensing treats like a human Pez dispenser, but hey it's his genetics that makes him well behaved

[Elana55]

Originally Posted by dog-man

elana, you write very well when you're not pissed off.

Thank you. I write for a living (alas not fiction, books, scientific papers or anything way cool like that).

Having experienced both I can say, with qualification, that I would rather be p*ssed off than p*ssed on!