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Old 12-07-2006, 06:34 AM   #21
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First what you are stating is that the dog carries the ressive form of the gene. Which give him a 25% chance of being clear and 50% chance of being a carrier and 25% of being afflicted. If his full sister has it and is experssing it and neither parnet has it then that trate is resessive. SO the female has 2 coppies or is homezygous for the trate. IF your male does not express the trait and it is resessive then he is either clare(25%) or is a carrier(50%). So knowing this even if he is tested clear with an exray he should still not be bred as he can still pass it on to 50% of his get and both parents sould also not be bred as they are carriers. This way you would stop the defect with in a few generations. NOw if there is a genetic test for the defect then this becomes very easy. If they do not carrie it then they can not pass it. You would also know if they are carriers or not. Make breeding desitions easier.

If the trait is a domint trait then if it is not expressed then they can not pass it on period. So once you have a neg animal the next generation would be negative as well no need to test.

As for conformation. If an animal is conformationally correct to do the work requiered then it all is as it sould be and the defect is not genetic then they should hold up under a work load.

Ex. If an animal is not correct in its hocks and are post leged then say asking them to jump, make fast turns and hard stops requiered in many performance events then the animal is going to brack down. IF the dog/animal is put togather correctly they should hold up well under a work load and be able to excell in the work bred to perform.

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Heidi, these last 2 sections are not necessarily true....i used to show dogs and it had been brought to my attention quite a few times by other breeders that just b/c the dogs were "formed" correctly did not mean that there were no defects in that animal......i knew of one "breeder" that had champion dogs and found out a few had HD and still bred them (using the certificates of non CH dogs that tested clear; this is part of the reason for the microchipping b/4 cert)......i also have 2 BC's w/ HD and they will go till they "dropped dead" if i let them......a friend has a BC also that has SEVERE HD (her sockets are almost non existant) and most people would never know it......and i have seen dogs work from dawn till dusk w/ problems (even a half blind BC that they had no idea he was till they had his eyes tested) b/c some dogs won't give in to it...... i have called HD on a lot of dogs over the past 10 yrs (including knowing that my male had it when he was 4 mo old) and have been right every time......not many people can do that, including your "top breeders".....so you see, the need to test is imperative......and, yes, you can take 2 parents that test clear and still throw the problem.....somewhere along the line a recessive is going to show up and until everything is done thru DNA test to know who is a carrier/non-afflicted/afflicted these will crop up even more so.....
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I am not saying that an incorrect animal will not perform they will. What I am saying is that a correct animal will be less likely to brack down from hard work. This is not 100% as there are envormental factors.

Also it is very easy to know what animals are carriers of a recessive gene if they are bred enough. If they through an affliced animal then they are carriers. Plane and simple and should not be bred again or atleast not with that cross.

TO me testing an animal is a good thing it shows that at least there is some attemt to stem the problem. However it is not the end all be all that most want everyone to believe it is. If it was then by testing and certifing these animals clear there would be less of a problem.

Genetices for the most part are quite simple. If the trate is donimant and the animal does not have it then they can not pass it. If the trate is resessive then it gets a bit more complicated. However once you know that the animal is a carrier then you know that 50% of the offspring will also be carriers (give or take a bit).

This is assuming that all the problems are acturall genetic in nature. If they are then there is probably someone somewhere working on a genetic test. If not then I would say that most scientist beleive that it is as much enviromental as genetic.

As for AKC keeping records. They do keep records of dogs and pedigrees which are not excessable esally to the general public. They DO NOT keep records of what a dog has produced and that dog show records and such. I want to be able to go to the site look up a dog by name. See what that dog has won what that dog has been bred to. How many get his/she has and what they have done. This can not be done through AKC or any other dog registry I have found. It may exist but I have not seen it. To me this is badly needed to make good breeding and buying desitions.

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