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Old 11-15-2006, 12:37 AM   #1
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Dog Shows, have you been

In responding to a breeding thread I was talking about dog shows so I thought I'd pose a few thoughts questions here.
First off, do you not thing that dog show judging is even more subjective than judging ice skating. When you get to a quality show, none of the dogs have disqualifing faults. If the judge likes certian breeds over others your perfectly great terrier doesn't stand a chance against someone elses great working dog. The shows I've been to, I could almost get to where if I watched a judge work the ring for a few breeds, I could start to predict which dog they would pick and I don't know anything about dog breed standards for all the different dogs. It seemed more like different judges are looking for different ways the dog and handler act. And its different for different judges.
Second, Why should the handler have any bearing on the dog. It's a dog show. Shouldn't the dog that best represents the breed standard win regardless of who is parading them around?
I understand the purpose of the shows and think they are important to help maintain breed stadards, etc. It just seems like the judging standard is weak.
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Old 11-15-2006, 01:41 AM   #2
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First of all, good judges, and they are out there, judge each dog against the breed standard and pick the one they feel comes closest. Yes, it is subjective to an extent. And, yes, I feel that there should probably be more ribbons withheld than are (but that's strictly an opinion). And, unfortunately, there are judges out there that are less than the best, or perhaps just not good for a particular type of dog (within a breed). For example, maybe a person has a Blue Merle Collie and when choosing which shows to enter notices that John Smith is judging collies at one of the shows. She also knows that Mr. Smith very rarely will put up a Blue Merle collie so the exhibitor does not enter that show.

As far as professionals winning more often, that's to be expected. Where showing is a hobby for you and me, for the professional it's their livlihood, so they have more at stake. Thus they have more time to spend working with and training the dog/s they handle. They also have more time and spend more money than most of us in learning how to best present a dog and how to groom and all the rest that goes into it.

Some breeds, for example most terriers, are more likely to be professionally handled than others, for example collies. But, owner handlers do beat the pros (including winning Westminster on occasion.

Are things always fair? Does the best dog always win? Are dog shows free of politics? Absolutely not! They are run by humans and as long as people are involved things won't always be fair and politics will be part of the game.

As President Harry Truman said once about politics. "If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen." This definitely applies to dog shows, cat shows, horse shows and just about any other competitive event.

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Old 11-15-2006, 06:22 AM   #3
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IMO i think dog shows should be changed.....i think they need to judge dogs on ability and their "general" look more so than on the cosmetics of the dog....i had a Sable Merle Sheltie w/ blue eyes.....beautiful dog, but i was informed by a breeder that she would go no where b/c of her blue eyes (not allowed in anything but the Blue Merle.....do they think the sheep (that the dog was originally bred to herd) really care what colour the dogs eyes are?...i know you don't find Shelties out there herding much anymore and most of what they're breeding now i don't think could do the job that their ancestors did, but the same holds true for any of the breeds of dogs.....you look at any of the breeds and you can see that the ones bred for the job looks almost totally different from the ones bred for the ring (and in the case of the BC i'll take the working dog look over the ring dog look anyday)

but i think the dog needs to be judged on looks (minus the "cosmetics"), ability (obedience and job), and soundness (b/4 they can be given any complete title, they must be certified on hips/elbows/eyes/and anything else that they can get certs for)

yes it would take longer for each show, and it would take longer for each dog to acquire their titles, but wouldn't that be a good thing in the long run?....
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i have showed dogs,horses , donkeys and sheep all judges give there opinion in a show ring and it is just one persons opinion pro. handlers has a edge because they know how to make that animal look its best even if its not the best so if you show just have fun with it even if you are not in the ribbons the contacts you make can be very interesting so just you and your dog go out and have fun
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