[Kerri6398]

I joined this forum yesturday so I could try and find some of the answers to my questions but there are just so many to go through. So maybe you all could help me with the few that I have. First of all I am going to be breeding my weimaraner when she turns of age. I am going to do this just once. For everyone out there who hate people who breed, I am not one of those people who are going nuts breeding and treating my dog improperly. I will breed by the code of ethics according to the weimaraner club of america. My dog has great lines and so will the weim we stud her with. Her hips and eyes and everything will be x-rayed before we make our final decision.She is a greaty loved family pet. Any how I am in the process of lookinf for a stud when we breed her any so many people are talking about "Line Breeding". They are telling me that it is not "in breeding". Sounds closley like it to me though. Does anyone know about this? One breeder says that it intesifies all the good and the bad. Please let me know.....

Another thing on breeding. Many breeders tell me they will ship the seamen to me and we can inject it in her. Others tell me you only get one or two pups that way. Any suggestions? Thanks

[Meghan&Pedro]

I have never bred dogs, but I have bred horses, and yes, line-breeding is common in both!

It is done with the intention of giving you the specific LOOK and temperament that both the parents share, while maximizing the qualities that the animals have.

You consistantly get most of the good and most of the bad when you breed like this.

The idea is only to line-breed with two VERY healthy (physically and mentally sound) exceptional specimans of the line and the breed.

Most breeds of dogs were probably started through line breeding - once you found a look that you liked, you'd keep breeding it.

Line breeding is too risky, in my opinion, to go any closer than half-siblings. I woudln't go as far as mother/son or father/daughter, but some people do

[blackgavotte]

My first thoughts are, what do you think you are accomplishing if you breed her " just once " ? Curious as to your motives for breeding her. If she has wonderful lines why aren't you showing her, to get her title, which will only make her puppies more valuable, and when she has her title, using a champion stud can only increase the value. If she is of a good family, why are you not working and learning, from the breeder who sold you your dog? This breeder should be guiding you, and a knowledgeable breeder would be teaching you the whys and wherefores of the bloodlines you have in her, and the bloodlines to look at when breeding time comes.

Meanwhile, when you make the effort to show her, not only will you see if she can indeed stand up to the breed standards and finish her title, but you will be exposed to many other people, specimens and pedigrees in her breed, and the invaluable knowledge you can get during that time may either help you to choose wisely if you are going to breed her, or possibly make you decide she may not be of breeding quality. I am surprised that you don't seem to have a mentor in this process. Did you buy from a show breeder, and do you have her 3 or 4 generation pedigree? Who has told you she has good lines, and why are they not helping you with the knowledge you are seeking?

If you are not interested in learning how best to produce excellent specimens, why breed at all? There are plenty of people out there who are breeding just for their own reasons, and I hope you are not one of them. We here at this forum don't hate breeders, we just loathe the irresponsible, or ignorant ones.

[cheyenne]

SORRY....have no idea.... I will look stuff up for you though....So sorry i could not help this minute

[Kerri6398]

BlackGavotte--

yes, two both of your questions. I do have a mentor and I do have a pedegree. We never really wanted to show her. One because we are not handlers ourselves and if you hire someone to handle your dog during shows and to train them to be in the ring, your dog could be away from you for weeks and maybe even months and we would prefer to have her with us. Her she is Champion Sired. Other then just him she has alot of great weims in her Ped. My intentions for breeding are not to breed, breed, breed the heck out of your dogs and get as much money as you can. Nor do I beleive in breeding one dog so many times. I dont want to put to much stress on our little girl. So breeding her once is what we decided on. We are not a kennel and we dont want 5 females and start a breeding program. We have one girl who is a great example of the breed. I have talked to several breeders, some with champion titles and others not. I have sent photo's to them and most say we should get her in the show ring but we could not bear being without her. She is a huge part of our family. I do understand how you say we would see where she stands within the breed.

The breeder who I got her from is very helpful with all of this. Yes, she is a show breeder. She is the one who suggested that we should consider breed ing her with this one male but is would be "line breeding". He is a champion also and she thinks the two would make wonderful pups. The male would be considered her uncle.She told me the positives and negatives with this and I wanted to research and find things out for myself. When she mentioned it, "in breeding" came to mind. I just wanted to see if people had any information that I have not yet found on the internet about this. Or if anyone has experienced this first hand.

I am trying to produce excellent specimen and that is why I am doing all of this research. I dont understand why breeding her "just once" is not accomplishing something. So are you saying you have to breed 5 litters or you are being irresponsible? I am very picky with whom I am breeding to and I am trying to achieve a great litter of weimaraners.

[cheyenne]

Still Searching!!!

[Kerri6398]

Thanks Cheyenne for searching and helping me!

[cheyenne]

i cant find anything im so sad!!!!! may i stop and try tomorro?

[Kerri6398]

Cheyenne, thanks for the help but you can stop whenever you would like to. Dont feel obligated to find things! I was just curious if people have done it and what came of it. Thanks again though!

[cheyenne]

so sad...want to privet chat?

[LabLady101]

From what I understand:

"Line-Breeding" is simply breeding two dogs that have like relative(s). For example (and it's just off the top of my head- not real), if two dogs both have 2xNAFC-2xCNAFC-AFC-CFC Ebonstar Lean Mac somewhere in their pedigrees and some one wanted to do a Line-breeding of Lean Mac lines, they would breed the two dogs together. This is actually a very common practice with breeders.

"In-Breeding" is a form of Line-Breeding except that you are breeding two very closely related individuals (Mother/son, Father/daughter, brother/sister, etc.) together. This type of breeding should only be done by someone who has very initimate knowledge of the lines involved. This is never for a novice breeder!

Hope that makes sense!
Darcy

[cheyenne]

i understand line breeding is breedind 2 dogs with the same reltives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dulce]

What IS it you are accomplishing by breeding just "just once"????

There's no reason for it. What is yours? Do you think that all females should be bred "Just ONCE"??

I really do not support breeding, whether you are "legit" or not.

[LabLady101]

Originally Posted by Dulce

What IS it you are accomplishing by breeding just "just once"????

There's no reason for it. What is yours? Do you think that all females should be bred "Just ONCE"??

I really do not support breeding, whether you are "legit" or not.

I believe she said she was working with her girl's breeder. The breeder would like a puppy from her girl, but she (Kerri6398) is fearful of overbreeding her girl so "once" is what her and her breeder have agreed upon. Kerri6398, you can correct me if I'm wrong?

[Kerri6398]

Lablady-

Yes, you are correct! My breeder would like a pup from the litter I will be having. When she did give me the pick of the litter we talked it over and I decided I would love to have a litter and she is retiring her mother from her breeding. So she would love a female from my litter for her breeding lines. Thanks for being understanding.....

DULCE-

What I dont get with you why you think your point of view is correct. I know the way I am breeding is right and I am "legit" if you would. I do not have to explain myself to you anymore. I was asking people who care a question about line breeding. if you have a problem with breeding then dont answer at all. However, I dont see your point with only breeding once. If I were to breed her five times would you be happier? To me that so much more stress on my dog. Once is all I want to put her through. I am not in it for just the money like most people are. I love my dog and I care about her health. If you dont want to breed your dogs, thats your perrogative and I would not sit here and tell you how wrong you are. Nor do I think the way you are acting about other people "breeding correct" is appropriate. You have your opinion and other people have thiers and you need to respect that!

[animalcraker]

Originally Posted by Kerri6398

BlackGavotte--

yes, two both of your questions. I do have a mentor and I do have a pedegree. We never really wanted to show her. One because we are not handlers ourselves and if you hire someone to handle your dog during shows and to train them to be in the ring, your dog could be away from you for weeks and maybe even months and we would prefer to have her with us. Her she is Champion Sired. Other then just him she has alot of great weims in her Ped. My intentions for breeding are not to breed, breed, breed the heck out of your dogs and get as much money as you can. Nor do I beleive in breeding one dog so many times. I dont want to put to much stress on our little girl. So breeding her once is what we decided on. We are not a kennel and we dont want 5 females and start a breeding program. We have one girl who is a great example of the breed. I have talked to several breeders, some with champion titles and others not. I have sent photo's to them and most say we should get her in the show ring but we could not bear being without her. She is a huge part of our family. I do understand how you say we would see where she stands within the breed.

The breeder who I got her from is very helpful with all of this. Yes, she is a show breeder. She is the one who suggested that we should consider breed ing her with this one male but is would be "line breeding". He is a champion also and she thinks the two would make wonderful pups. The male would be considered her uncle.She told me the positives and negatives with this and I wanted to research and find things out for myself. When she mentioned it, "in breeding" came to mind. I just wanted to see if people had any information that I have not yet found on the internet about this. Or if anyone has experienced this first hand.

I am trying to produce excellent specimen and that is why I am doing all of this research. I dont understand why breeding her "just once" is not accomplishing something. So are you saying you have to breed 5 litters or you are being irresponsible? I am very picky with whom I am breeding to and I am trying to achieve a great litter of weimaraners.

You don't have to send your girl off to a profesional hander for her to be shown. You can show her yourself. Your breeder should be able to help you learn how to show her. If she is the quality that she sounds like she could be, why not prove it? Also what is going to hapen to the rest of the pups in the litter, if your breeder only want's one pup? who will pay the stud fee, since it seems like your breeder wants this more than you. What happens if complications occur during the pregnancy, what then?

[Meghan&Pedro]

Originally Posted by Dulce

I really do not support breeding, whether you are "legit" or not.

Do you mean in THIS case? Or you do not support breeding of dogs in general?
If it's the latter, why not? How else would you have a dog? How would I? My dog was bred by a reputable breeder in Mexico who was putting out happy healthy dogs with great conformation.

I do not support breeding a dog unless it's to put out a dog who is being put out there to IMPROVE the breed in some way. And if this Weim is a great speciman, and she would help to improve the breed, then breeding her is absalutely a-ok with me!

There may be thousands upon thousands of dogs in shelters at this very moment in my own town, BUT I don't know of any weimeraners looking for homes! They are not an over-populated breed. There aren't thousands looking for homes. They are sought after because they are beautiful dogs with very interesting personalities, and they have a great following.

Unfortunatly not everyone is willing to go and adopt a dog from a shelter, and that's a good thing. If everyone was spaying and neutering their dogs, and adopting from shelters than we wouldn't have purebred dogs anymore. We wouldn't have working dogs, or show dogs. We wouldn't have flat coated retrievers and nova scotia duck tollers, we wouldn't have rottweilers or german shepards, we wouldn't have pappilon's or yorkshire terriers, we wouldn't have lhasa apso's and klee kai's. Am I making sense?

Breeding responsibly isn't a crime, and from what kailie has said time and time again, she's breeding responsibly. I am sure that she is going to find homes for the puppies while they are in utero - the breeder probably has a waiting list. She doesn't have to defend herself to everyone everytime she asks a question - that's what makes people NOT want to ask questions in the first place, and I think that's a shame!

Meghan

[Dulce]

Originally Posted by Kerri6398

Lablady-

Yes, you are correct! My breeder would like a pup from the litter I will be having. When she did give me the pick of the litter we talked it over and I decided I would love to have a litter and she is retiring her mother from her breeding. So she would love a female from my litter for her breeding lines. Thanks for being understanding.....

DULCE-

What I dont get with you why you think your point of view is correct. I know the way I am breeding is right and I am "legit" if you would. I do not have to explain myself to you anymore. I was asking people who care a question about line breeding. if you have a problem with breeding then dont answer at all. However, I dont see your point with only breeding once. If I were to breed her five times would you be happier? To me that so much more stress on my dog. Once is all I want to put her through. I am not in it for just the money like most people are. I love my dog and I care about her health. If you dont want to breed your dogs, thats your perrogative and I would not sit here and tell you how wrong you are. Nor do I think the way you are acting about other people "breeding correct" is appropriate. You have your opinion and other people have thiers and you need to respect that!

So, the only reason you're breeding her is because the breeder you got her from wants a dog from that litter???

It's almost as if you're making it sound like you HAVE to breed her?

And your RUDE response is not necessary. I don't care if other people have opinions, I wasn't disagreeing. I simply asked a question. That's what we;re here for right? To share our oppinions?? Am I wrong?
I never said I had a problem with your opinion so I'm not sure where you come off being rude...But whatever, I really don't care about your thread anymore, haha. I never told you you were wrong, FYI

[Dulce]

Originally Posted by Meghan&Pedro

Do you mean in THIS case? Or you do not support breeding of dogs in general?
If it's the latter, why not? How else would you have a dog? How would I? My dog was bred by a reputable breeder in Mexico who was putting out happy healthy dogs with great conformation.

I do not support breeding a dog unless it's to put out a dog who is being put out there to IMPROVE the breed in some way. And if this Weim is a great speciman, and she would help to improve the breed, then breeding her is absalutely a-ok with me!

There may be thousands upon thousands of dogs in shelters at this very moment in my own town, BUT I don't know of any weimeraners looking for homes! They are not an over-populated breed. There aren't thousands looking for homes. They are sought after because they are beautiful dogs with very interesting personalities, and they have a great following.

Unfortunatly not everyone is willing to go and adopt a dog from a shelter, and that's a good thing. If everyone was spaying and neutering their dogs, and adopting from shelters than we wouldn't have purebred dogs anymore. We wouldn't have working dogs, or show dogs. We wouldn't have flat coated retrievers and nova scotia duck tollers, we wouldn't have rottweilers or german shepards, we wouldn't have pappilon's or yorkshire terriers, we wouldn't have lhasa apso's and klee kai's. Am I making sense?

Breeding responsibly isn't a crime, and from what kailie has said time and time again, she's breeding responsibly. I am sure that she is going to find homes for the puppies while they are in utero - the breeder probably has a waiting list. She doesn't have to defend herself to everyone everytime she asks a question - that's what makes people NOT want to ask questions in the first place, and I think that's a shame!

Meghan

I meant in GENERAL, Meghan. She didn't need to defend herself, I asked a simple question, so did several other people.

[Dulce]

Originally Posted by Meghan&Pedro

Do you mean in THIS case? Or you do not support breeding of dogs in general?
If it's the latter, why not? How else would you have a dog? How would I? My dog was bred by a reputable breeder in Mexico who was putting out happy healthy dogs with great conformation.

I do not support breeding a dog unless it's to put out a dog who is being put out there to IMPROVE the breed in some way. And if this Weim is a great speciman, and she would help to improve the breed, then breeding her is absalutely a-ok with me!

There may be thousands upon thousands of dogs in shelters at this very moment in my own town, BUT I don't know of any weimeraners looking for homes! They are not an over-populated breed. There aren't thousands looking for homes. They are sought after because they are beautiful dogs with very interesting personalities, and they have a great following.

Unfortunatly not everyone is willing to go and adopt a dog from a shelter, and that's a good thing. If everyone was spaying and neutering their dogs, and adopting from shelters than we wouldn't have purebred dogs anymore. We wouldn't have working dogs, or show dogs. We wouldn't have flat coated retrievers and nova scotia duck tollers, we wouldn't have rottweilers or german shepards, we wouldn't have pappilon's or yorkshire terriers, we wouldn't have lhasa apso's and klee kai's. Am I making sense?

Breeding responsibly isn't a crime, and from what kailie has said time and time again, she's breeding responsibly. I am sure that she is going to find homes for the puppies while they are in utero - the breeder probably has a waiting list. She doesn't have to defend herself to everyone everytime she asks a question - that's what makes people NOT want to ask questions in the first place, and I think that's a shame!

Meghan

I meant in GENERAL, Meghan. She didn't need to defend herself, I asked a simple question, so did several other people.