Puggles

farmgirl543e · 11-07-2006, 02:48 AM

I was just curious about these desinger puppies and how it works I mean take puggles for instence you breed a pug and a beagle to get a puggle so if you get a puggle and one day wanted to breed it to have puppies what do you breed it with and the same thing with goldendoodles what do you breed those with i am just curious so if anyone knows let me know lol thanks

Lorina · 11-07-2006, 09:23 AM

If you want my opinion... you don't.

You get your dogs spayed and neutered and don't buy into the whole "Designer Breed" thing. They're mutts. They're still lovable, cute and adorable dogs, but they're still a mutt, and, IMO, breeding them is irresponsible. And paying $500-$1500 for one is idiotic.

I have nothing against mixed breeds. Most of the dogs I've owned have been mixes. But they were also from shelters and rescues, not breeders or pet stores. If you want a mixed breed dog, that's the way to get one. Not by financially rewarding an irresponsible breeder. And you'd be saving a life.

dogluver101 · 11-07-2006, 10:22 AM

I totally agree with you there. I don't believe in designer breeds either. They are mutts just like a newfoudland and a sheltie mix just with a cutesie name. If you are just breeding to get more "designer" dogs then don't. Just get them spayed/ neutered. Getting your mixed breed cutely named dog from a irresponsible breed or puppymill is just incourging them to do it more. It won't stop it but it helps.

mistee06 · 11-07-2006, 05:42 PM

i have a bunch of these "designer" dogs in...when people surrender them..in tow with their puppies we are told that the pups are "shelabs" (sheppard labs), rotterdoodles (oh yes...rotti/poodles)... huskapoos (husky/ poodles) ...in total today at the shelter we have 31 one of these "cute" puppies...so in my opinion, they shouldnt be bred...because i can take a pit bull mixed with a lab and call it a "laberpit" anytime...its just a name...it doesnt mean its better then any other mix in the world..

carriedenaee · 11-14-2006, 01:58 PM

well from what i understand when you mix breeds like a ****zu and poodle and get a sitzapoo, if you breed it with another ****azapooit is half ****z and half poodle as long as both parents were half ****z and half poodle....if you have a ****zapoo that is half ****z and half poodle and breed wiht a poodle it would become 1/4 ****z and 3/4 poodle...and vise versa...breeding it with a ****z would make the pups 1/4 poodle and 3/4 ****z..so it depends on what you want...if you want a puppy that is 3/4 poodle and 1/4 yorkie for instance...you can breed a yorkiepoo with a poodle and have that....but there is no garunteethat because the puppies are 3/4 poodle that they will have dominate poodle traits....the yorkie traits can still dominate...thus the reason mixing breeds is not recomended...some breeds mixed turn for the worse and i dont approve....but some people try to get the best of both breeds without considering the backfires that can happen..hope this helps!!

Curbside Prophet · 11-14-2006, 02:36 PM

I don't know, maybe we should be amused by what people get when they mix breeds.

For example:
Cross a Pointer with a Setter and get a Poinsetter, a traditional Christmas pet.
Cross a Kerry Blue Terrier with a Skye Terrier and get a Blue Skye, a dog for visionaries.
Cross a Pekingnese with a Lhasa Apso and get a Peekasso, an abstract dog.
Cross an Irish Water Spaniel with an English Springer Spaniel and get an Irish Springer, a dog fresh and clean as a whistle!
Cross a Labrador Retriever with a Curly Coated Retriever and get a Lab Coat Retriever, the choice dog of research scientists.
Cross a Newfoundland with a Basset Hound and get a Newfound Asset Hound, a dog for financial advisors.
Cross a Terrier with a Bulldog and get a Terribull, a dog that makes awful mistakes.
Cross a Bloodhound with a Labrador and get a Blabador, a dog that barks incessantly.
Cross a Collie with a Malamute and get a Commute, a dog that travels to work.
Cross a Deerhound with a Terrier and get a Derriere, a dog that's true to the end!

Or maybe we should just be amused with the thoughts alone, and not breed mixes!

atldoglover · 11-14-2006, 04:20 PM

I know that I may be in the minority and I don't know if a cockapoo would be considered a "designer breed", but I do know that there is a big push to make this a true breed. A first generation cockapoo would be bred from a cocker spaniel and a poodle. A second generation cockapoo would be cockapoo to cockapoo and so on down the line. A "cockapoo" is not a true cockapoo if a breeder is trying to breed cockapoo to poodle or cockapoo to cocker spaniel.

blackrose · 11-14-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by atldoglover

I know that I may be in the minority and I don't know if a cockapoo would be considered a "designer breed", but I do know that there is a big push to make this a true breed. A first generation cockapoo would be bred from a cocker spaniel and a poodle. A second generation cockapoo would be cockapoo to cockapoo and so on down the line. A "cockapoo" is not a true cockapoo if a breeder is trying to breed cockapoo to poodle or cockapoo to cocker spaniel.

IMO, a cockapoo can never be made into a true breed until they stop mixing Cocker's and Poodles and start consistantly breeding Cockapoos to Cockapoos. And then those Cockapoos/Cockapoos have to have consitantly the same traits, and their pups do, and then their pups' pups do, etc. They also have to have all of their health tests done, a breed standard, etc. You don't see people breeding Cattle Dogs by mixing Dingos, Bull Terriers, Damlmations, and the other breeds that make up the Cattle Dog.

Cheetah · 11-14-2006, 08:42 PM

Just so we don't put the language filter in overdrive or confuse anyone who may think there is swearing going on, it is spelled "Shih Tzu." >^^;<

blackgavotte · 11-14-2006, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by atldoglover

I know that I may be in the minority and I don't know if a cockapoo would be considered a "designer breed", but I do know that there is a big push to make this a true breed. A first generation cockapoo would be bred from a cocker spaniel and a poodle. A second generation cockapoo would be cockapoo to cockapoo and so on down the line. A "cockapoo" is not a true cockapoo if a breeder is trying to breed cockapoo to poodle or cockapoo to cocker spaniel.

There is no genuine " big push " to recognize these crossbreeds any more than any other crossbreeds. It takes an enormous amount of time, record-keeping, money and influence to create a new breed. There also has to be a reason for the breed being created. I guarantee cockapoos, peekapoos, etc, (which, by the way, were already being touted when I first started working at grooming shops and vets in the mid 60's ,) won't be recognized any time soon as purebreds. And that's how it should be.

Meghan&Pedro · 11-15-2006, 01:29 AM

I work at a pet store, and have for over five years. I have seen 'mutts' become designer dogs, first hand, and man does it ever tick me off!

I LOVE mutts, some of my favorite dogs are mutts, HOWEVER there are LOTS of cross-bred dogs that need homes (not so many little ones, especially in my community which is dominated by seniors who live in condo's), and we shouldn't be breeding more.

YES right here and right now there IS a demand for these 'designer' breeds of little dogs.

If you put "Small puppies!" up in a for-sale add in my community you get LOTS of responses - everyone wants a 'pocket pet' because it's really a trend.

But 10 years from now (probably sooner!) all of these dogs are going to be in the shelters with the rest of the crossbreeds once the fad dies down.

Do any of you remember the pot-bellied-pig fad of the 1970's? We all know how well THAT went. Same thing with these 'designer dogs'.

Most of these crosses aren't even CONSISTANT - you never know what the puppy is going to look like! You might LOVE one 'malti-poo' and go out to buy a maltipoo, and end up with a dog that looks NOTHING like the dog you origionally liked - what do you do then?

What REALLY is ticking me off recently is the THREE and FOUR way crosses that are for sale for $1500.00!!! ESPECIALLY when people can't even spell the name of the breeds that they are selling.
ie - lazza apzo X peekinesse puppies X maltease

I know that, like I said before, there IS a market for these dogs right here and right now. So I can understand that people are breeding them ( I don't condone it, but I understand why they are). There are a few local 'breeders' who are breeding a specific crossbreed (such as a 'puggle' or a 'malti-poo' and are health testing, guarenteeing health on the puppies with a lifetime guarentee etc, etc, and are breeding nice temperament dogs. I don't have a real hard solid problem with THEM.
It's every other jack and jane out there that are breeding their dogs just because they have a small breed dog that they could cross with another small breed dog WITHOUT testing for health, without taking into consideration temperament, and without thinking about anything but money, money money!!

UGh a hot topic for me!!!

atldoglover · 11-15-2006, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by blackrose

IMO, a cockapoo can never be made into a true breed until they stop mixing Cocker's and Poodles and start consistantly breeding Cockapoos to Cockapoos. And then those Cockapoos/Cockapoos have to have consitantly the same traits, and their pups do, and then their pups' pups do, etc. They also have to have all of their health tests done, a breed standard, etc. You don't see people breeding Cattle Dogs by mixing Dingos, Bull Terriers, Damlmations, and the other breeds that make up the Cattle Dog.

You are absolutely right...That is what true "cockapoo" breeders are doing. And, there are health tests, breed standards, etc. Many people don't like it, I can understand that- but that still doesn't mean that it isn't happening.

atldoglover · 11-15-2006, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by blackgavotte

There is no genuine " big push " to recognize these crossbreeds any more than any other crossbreeds. It takes an enormous amount of time, record-keeping, money and influence to create a new breed. There also has to be a reason for the breed being created. I guarantee cockapoos, peekapoos, etc, (which, by the way, were already being touted when I first started working at grooming shops and vets in the mid 60's ,) won't be recognized any time soon as purebreds. And that's how it should be.

Actually, there is a "genuine" big push, but you would only know about it if you were truly interested in the breed, as I am. I cannot speak about the other breeds, only cockapoos, because that is where my interest lies. You are correct, the mid 60's was the beginning of cockapoos and in the past 10 years, there have been serious minded persons who are interested in making them an official breed. And, you do have a right to your OPINION, as do I.

ilovemypuppyPatron · 02-01-2007, 12:52 PM

I own a puggle.. I love him. he has the best personality! and he's only 3 months old. my best friend bought his sister, she's a lot more hyper but when it comes time to sleep they are the best cuddlers! myabe it's only because they are puppies but I hope it stays like that forever.

Kerry · 02-01-2007, 01:39 PM

OK. With all due respect to the purists here...I just don't get the big problem with mixed or "designer" breeds? How exactly are they going to end up in the shelter more than any other kinds of dogs?
To my way of thinking, a family who seeks out a certain type of dog, pure or mixed, is less likely to give up their pet after time. Whether it's a pure bred or mutt, if the people are ready for a dog, they will be responsible. How does the "designer" thing cause more of a problem? I've seen lots of pure bred pitties and retrievers in the shelters.
Has anyone done a study on what the most common reasons are for dogs being put into shelters? Seriously, I haven't seen many maltipoos or cockapoos, but lots of larger breeds.

peace36 · 02-01-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerry

OK. With all due respect to the purists here...I just don't get the big problem with mixed or "designer" breeds? How exactly are they going to end up in the shelter more than any other kinds of dogs?
To my way of thinking, a family who seeks out a certain type of dog, pure or mixed, is less likely to give up their pet after time. Whether it's a pure bred or mutt, if the people are ready for a dog, they will be responsible. How does the "designer" thing cause more of a problem? I've seen lots of pure bred pitties and retrievers in the shelters.
Has anyone done a study on what the most common reasons are for dogs being put into shelters? Seriously, I haven't seen many maltipoos or cockapoos, but lots of larger breeds.

I agree. I also have seen many pure bred dogs in shelters. I think the problem is the people buying them and then tossing them to a shelter. I have a Malti-Poo and a Pure Bred Shih Tzu. I do not care if the Malti-Poo is ever a "reconized breed" or not . I thought he was cute and my hubby is not allergic to him and I like poodles and Maltese dogs. And he is only 5 months and I dont care what he looks like when he gets older.

If people just kept the dogs no matter what the breed than we would not have the shelter problem

And (yes another and) why are we being so nit picky? Who cares if the owner can spell the breed they bought or not? So long as he keeps, loves and cares for him properly I do not think the breed makes a difference.

Except for who ever posted the correct sp for SHih Tzu, so we dont get in trouble for swearing...

that was funny.

And, just kidding no more ands.

Curbside Prophet · 02-01-2007, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerry

OK. With all due respect to the purists here...I just don't get the big problem with mixed or "designer" breeds? How exactly are they going to end up in the shelter more than any other kinds of dogs?
To my way of thinking, a family who seeks out a certain type of dog, pure or mixed, is less likely to give up their pet after time. Whether it's a pure bred or mutt, if the people are ready for a dog, they will be responsible. How does the "designer" thing cause more of a problem? I've seen lots of pure bred pitties and retrievers in the shelters.
Has anyone done a study on what the most common reasons are for dogs being put into shelters? Seriously, I haven't seen many maltipoos or cockapoos, but lots of larger breeds.

There are three major reasons why designer dogs are a problem.

1. A designer dog is a mutt or some obscure derivation of a dog. The world doesn't need more mutts. Are you aware of the current dog over population problem? Have you been to your local shelter recently? Do you know about all the dogs that are euthanized on a daily basis? If you bring a mutt into the world as a designer dog or teacup, or whatever, that's one less home available for that dog sitting in a shelter.

2. There are no breed standards for designer dogs. How can one prove their breeding program is producing what they say they are producing without a breed standard? Why would I buy a dog if you have no means to prove you're giving me what you say you're giving me. If you don't understand what I'm referring to, I'm referring to conformation or trials that are judged by impartial judges.

3. There are no genetic tests available for mutts. If you can't test your dogs for genetic defects, how do I know you're not giving me a dog with genetic abnormalities. Granted, genetic testing is not a 100% guarantee, but who is more responsible? The breeder who does the genetic testing available to them, or the one who doesn't? DA makes a point on this that I tend to agree with...if a breeder isn't willing to do everything they can to prove the worth of their breeding program, what other shortcuts are they taking in their breeding program? I don't know, and I don't want to find out.

Yes there are purebreds at shelters. However, these dogs come from the same BYB personality that make designer dogs. Because a reputable breeder has a contract specifying what happens to the dog should you ever need to give it up. This alone does not make a BYB a reputable breeder. What I don't get is why breeders want to experiment with genetics when there already so many wonderful breeds available to us. Maybe you can help explain that point.

peace36 · 02-01-2007, 03:25 PM

If there are too many dogs already and so many in the shelters (which I do agree there are a lot waiting for homes) then maybe purebred breeders should not breed so many either. Maybe only breed enough just to keep the breed from going extinct. and do you really know there is not way to do a genetic test on the "designer Mutts"????

I know many people who swear mutts have less health problems that the pure breds. Are they right? I do not know. but maybe they are.

I did not get either of my dogs from a shelter but before I got mine I did look in the shelters and I did not see anyone that would suit my family.

If there are too many dogs already and so many in the shelters (which I do agree there are a lot waiting for homes) then maybe purebred breeders should not breed so many either. Maybe only breed enough just to keep the breed from going extinct. and do you really know there is not way to do a genetic test on the "designer Mutts"????

I know many people who swear mutts have less health problems than the pure breds. Are they right? I do not know. but maybe they are.

I did not get either of my dogs from a shelter but before I got mine I did look in the shelters and I did not see anyone that would suit my family.

Curbside Prophet · 02-01-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by peace36

If there are too many dogs already and so many in the shelters (which I do agree there are a lot waiting for homes) then maybe purebred breeders should not breed so many either. Maybe only breed enough just to keep the breed from going extinct. and do you really know there is not way to do a genetic test on the "designer Mutts"????

I do know, it's a fact. Why? Because no one in their right mind would spend the money needed to develop these tests. The combinations of mutts possible would never make this a feasible possibility. You have to understand the basics of genetics to understand that what I'm saying is in fact true. The problem isn't a purebred vs designer dog (mutt) issue, and what proves to be the better dog. A dog is a dog, and they're all great. It's about what's more responsible and what's better in the long term for the health of all dogs. I suggest that gambling with genes is not responsible.

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Originally Posted by peace36

I know many people who swear mutts have less health problems that the pure breds. Are they right? I do not know. but maybe they are.

They are wrong. Where do you think the genes came from? If you can't test for it, how do you know you're not making the problems worse? Which dog do you prefer?...the one who's been tested?...or the one who a breeder "hopes" is clean?

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Originally Posted by peace36

I did not get either of my dogs from a shelter but before I got mine I did look in the shelters and I did not see anyone that would suit my family.

I'd say you didn't research enough, or weren't willing to look hard enough. I'd also say that if you paid for a designer dog, you got ripped off. What does the term "designer" mean in your mind? Value? Quality? Proof of either?

corsomom · 02-01-2007, 03:55 PM

I would just like to add a responsible breeder does not just crank out litter after litter. They also rescue. They keep close track of their pups and sell on a spay/nueter contract.