Buzz Collars...bad!

dj360 · 05-30-2006, 08:32 PM

I Know Lots Of Peolpe Think That Buzz, Or Zap Collars Are A Good Way To Go If You Dont Have A Fence, Or Your Teaching The Dog It's BoundrIEs. But Studies Show That When A Dog Is Wearing A Zap Collar, And It Gets Zapped While The Dishwasher, Dryer, Washing Machine, Ect. Are In Action, Your Dog Is Likely To Get Electricuted, Causeing Serious Injuries, Or Death.

Got Any Other Reasons Why, Or Why Not To Get A Buzz Collar? Or Advice Of HoW To Teach Your Dog The Same Things A Buzz Collar Is Used For, But With Out The Buzz Collar?!

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Cheetah · 05-30-2006, 08:55 PM

I've never had to resort to using a shock collar with any of my dogs. I could leave my gate wide open and they'd stay put (well maybe not Shippo, but he's a baby still, he will learn lmao).

There are many different methods to teach this. All the best ones I know involve constant supervision in the yard though, and repetition.

dj360 · 05-30-2006, 09:40 PM

what about chock collars?

Curbside Prophet · 05-30-2006, 09:59 PM

I don't like shock collars because there is a chance that they will redirect aggression, and in most instances the dog will choose to ignore the pain...especially if they are in a fight mode. As for choke collars, they are often misused by inexperienced handlers. Professional consultation should precede it's use, and if used correctly, a choke collar is humane and effective.

GSD lover · 05-31-2006, 08:42 AM

I've never used a shock collar but I've never heard of any problems with it. Boundary training is one of the most difficult things to teach. I just use good gates and being chained up on a dog run when they are outside. I don't want to chance my dog getting out and exploring and getting hit by a car or something like that. I think teaching a reliable Recall (which every dog needs to know even if nothing else) is the best way to keep your dog in its boundaries.

BUFFY · 05-31-2006, 10:07 PM

iv never used a shock collar either, i dont like the sound of it.

drfong · 05-31-2006, 10:54 PM

I've never used a shock collar but I don't think I would have a problem if the type of dog was one that it worked well with. It seems that the problem people have with them is the idea of shocking the dog. I have not been shocked by one and don't know how much it hurts but I can give an example of how preconcieved views of shock can cause more trouble than not. I did research with a professor who specialized in self-injurous kids, usually autistic. He created a device that would shock the kid in the arm when he/she hit themself in the head. ( the place of choice with SIBs ) It could also be remotely triggered if another inappropriate behavior occured that was not a head strike. It was extreemly successful in testing. Kids almost immediately quit self injuring and were able to focus on learning task, etc. So much uproar about shooking kids came out of it, it was basicly scraped. So I guess it's more humane to let kids beat the crap out of themselves rather than administer very few electric shocks (only a 9volt battery).
I personally think a regular fence is better because it can protect your dogs from intruding animals, etc and not just keep your dogs contained. If the only option is electric fence I'm not against it just because it's shock.

BUFFY · 06-01-2006, 08:24 PM

that's true drfong, i havent been shocked by a shock collar either....(not that i really want to!) but i, like dj, have read about the fact that if you have your dish washer (or the like) running, at the same time you decide to shock your dog, it can be fetal, there for, i dont want to take that risk, personally.

drfong · 06-01-2006, 10:51 PM

I have got to guess that fatal shock from shock collar due to dishwasher, etc has to be urban legend. The collar is not pluged into the electrical outlet, all shock is from a battery. I would have to see actual proof that this has happened.

Mabel55 · 07-18-2007, 11:00 AM

If you are serious about understanding "buzz" collars, check out wikipedia's entry Shock Collar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_Collar or E-Collars on http://trainmypet.net

Education is the best way to make an informed decision.

Amaya-Mazie-Marley · 07-18-2007, 12:05 PM

I have never used either a shock collar or a choke collar. I think that they are used too much and by people who don't know what they're doing. I saw a man at my vets office using one on a dog because he wouldn't sit. By the time the dog was sitting the man was still shocking him because he was frusterated with him. I've also seen people come walking in their with dogs that fall out in the floor from lack of oxygen. They hold the choke collars tight against their dog thinking they look billy badass when really I think they look ignorant.

Jen D · 07-18-2007, 12:09 PM

IMO I don't like them, so I think a good training class and a lot of follow up with you during and after there won't be a need for one. I have two large Bully breeds that will not cross a one foot high piece of cardboard in the house if I am busy in one of the rooms and do not want them in there. They were trained and I had to keep up on it. It is funny when people that don't know the dogs walk in and see them all excited but won't cross the cardboard.

Dogstar · 07-18-2007, 12:35 PM

I think they're not a tool to use lightly, but they *do* have their place- for example, snakeproofing, or breaking chasing habits. (I think the only Cesar Milan ep I've ever agreed with his training techniques was the one where he used one to stop a dog from chasing tractors- the dog would break out of any containment they'd found and sooner or later WAS going to get killed). In general though, they're pretty unnecessary.

skelaki · 07-18-2007, 12:36 PM

Good for you Mabel! E-Collars (which I've never used btw) have their place in training. Like any other collar from plain buckle to Pinch collars they can be abused. But, properly used they do not hurt the dog and are very useful for training things such as distance off lead recalls (i.e. for field trial training). But, if one is going to use them that person should first learn how to do so correctly from an experienced trainer.

LeRoymydog · 07-18-2007, 02:52 PM

I've used one on LeRoy. I haven't used one lately tho. He had a bad habit of eating his own poo. The more we pulled him away from it, the faster he ate it. He got to the point of eating it as soon as it came out of his butt. The e-collar worked great for that.

Also, I used it because he would attack my kids whenever they would ride their power wheels, or bike. So far, so good...

petsgalore · 07-18-2007, 03:58 PM

I've used one-it worked-but Lady Mindy quickly figured out that if I didn't have the remote in my hand-she didn't get shocked.
I use a pinch collar on her and Midget when we go for walks.Just having the collar on keeps their excitement level down.Walking three dogs at a time-it's much easier if they are not hyper to begin with.Plus Midget is easily excitable and Lady Mindy[being little more than a pup]feeds off his energy.It just makes for a calmer walk all around.
As to the strength of the shock collar-I put the prongs up to my fingers-It's definitely enough of a sensation to make me pull my fingers away-but not enough to hurt.I'd say it has the same reaction in dogs as we get when we get a shock from touching something after walking on a carpet.It doesn't really hurt-but it definitely gets your attention.Though I didn't test the highest level and never used a higher setting than I tested on my fingers.