To Neuter, Or Not To Neuter? My Advice!

dj360 · 05-26-2006, 09:15 PM

TO NEUTER/SPAY OR NOT TO NEUTER/SPAY? MY ADVICE!

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Ok, So, You Have A Beautiful Pure Bred Dog Dat You Want To Breed...but Is A Good Idea? Well, There Are Benefits Like Raising Cute Little Puppies, And Getting Lots Of Money For Them, But There Are Even More Draw-backs...check It Out:

-an Uneutered Dog Will Pay More Attention On Looking For A Mate, Then Focusing In You, Hence, It Is Harder To Train Your Dog.

-your Dog Is More Likely To Run Away, Looking For Mr. Or Ms. Right, And There Are Dangers Like Being Hit By A Care, Getting Attacked By Other Animals, Being Shot By A Farmer Protecting His Animals, And Catching Diseases.

-your Dog Will Not "mark His Spot" As Often.

-your Dog Will Be Less Aggressive.

-your Dog Cant Get As Many Infections.

-and Your Loving, Faithful Companion Will Live A Longer, Healthier Life.

This Information Occurs To Both Males And Females, Also, If You Want To Breed, You Need To Have Lots Of Free Time, A Good Experience, Or A Good Amount Of Studying It, And Probably Plan On Breeding More Then Once, My Advice, Leave Breeding To The Proffesionals, For Both The Sake Of Your "beauty Sleep" And The Health Of Your Dog.:d also, you will end up spending lots of money for care taking items of the puppies your dog hase.

bigdawgs · 05-27-2006, 08:24 AM

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And Getting Lots Of Money For Them,

If you are raisng puppies for money, let me tell you straight up, there is not alot in it after you pay expenses. I am talking vet bills.
First off, you should have a hip /shoulder certification exam done on both the bitch and the dog to determine if hip dysplasia is a risk in breed prone to this problem. This includes xrays, and the necessary paperwork filed for certification. There are other genetic tests that should be done depending on the breed. However, a resonsible breeder will know the bloodlines and what problems have already occurred in the line. Both bitch and dog must be current on necessary vaccinations.
OB visits, which include xrays. be financially prepared for a c-section.

Once the puppies come, if you are planning on docking or having dew claws removed, this need to be done no later than 3 days after birth. Figure 10 bux for each puppy. Puppy shots at the prescribed interval. De worming. Most quality breeders I know (these would be for bassets, Great danes and labs) spend well over a thousand dollars per litter, no matter what the litter size. And even with all of the prework done right, there is always the chance that one or more of the puppies will not be highest quality and will not command high prices.
Just because a dog is AKC registered means nothing. Badly bred dogs can still have AKC registration.

GSD lover · 05-27-2006, 04:18 PM

I would say if you are not a breeder neuter or spay your dog. There is no point in them being able to make unwanted puppies or have them if you are not going to be breeding them for those purposes. There are just too many poor strays that have no home because of this problem.

dj360 · 05-30-2006, 07:12 PM

too right you are.

drfong · 05-30-2006, 08:43 PM

Here's my question then, if only professional breeders breed dogs wont many breeds that there are not lots of breeders become geneticly 'thin' for lack of knowing the right word. I have 2 austrialian terriers and the bitch seems like she may turn out to be a very good representation of the standard. She also has a great temperment. I have a male also who is a great pet with an even better temperment, you couldn't ask for a better pet. I'm willing to buy into the fact that breeding the 2 may not be good because he has some faults and that would be passing those along in the breed, but if only few reputable professional breeders keep breeding the same dogs there won't be much diversity in the genitics over time. Don't people who have quality dogs have some responsibility to help keep the breed strong?

Cheetah · 05-30-2006, 09:01 PM

Yes. That's why they breed those quality ones (the ones with the least amount of faults according to the standard) and spay/neuter the pet quality ones.

Anyway, those few professional breeders eventually spread their dogs around, and a few more people become interested in doing something for the breed, and so on.

drfong · 05-30-2006, 09:08 PM

Ok, but I don't want to become a professional breeder and it seems to be the consensus that if your not one you should automaticly spay or neuter the pet. So what do you do?

Cheetah · 05-30-2006, 09:13 PM

It is my personal belief that if the dog is not showing or working, then it should be spayed/neutered for its health and the welfare of homeless pets everywhere. At least in the US, there is a huge overpopulation problem right now... I'm sure there are probably other parts of the world that do not have this big of a problem with it, but here it is serious. Millions of pets are put to sleep each year in our shelters because so many people are breeding more and so there just aren't enough homes for them all.. >;.;<

BUFFY · 05-31-2006, 10:11 PM

i know, it's so sad, this animal shelter near my house is so evil. you know how normally shelters keep dogs for about 2 weeks until they out them to sleep? well this on, they only give the dogs 3 days...3 DAYS! that evil. the probability that with in three days very many dogs will find a home is not very big.

drfong · 06-01-2006, 12:41 AM

If the whole dog world is so pro spay/neuter than why can't you show altered dogs? If the world is changing in what is responsible ownership why hasn't the dog show world also? Just curious. I'm not against altering pets, My cat was fixed, and I'm going to get Brady fixed within a few weeks. He is 10 months old. I just not convinced that people who breed quality dogs are the reason millions of unwanted dogs are put to death.

Cheetah · 06-01-2006, 12:44 AM

Because the whole point of conformation shows is to get intact dogs proven by titling them, and then to breed them, thus passing on those good genes.

People who breed quality dogs aren't the reason for the overpopulation problem. It's BYBs, puppy mills, and pet stores selling (not adopting out) puppies and kittens that are the real cause. They take away homes from so many shelter dogs... and then a lot of those dogs are prone to developing temperament problems because of bad breeding, and often end up in shelters with the rest of the homeless pets.

bigdawgs · 06-01-2006, 03:43 PM

there are enough breeders to go around to ensure strengths of bloodline. It is a fairly common practice to inline breed. Remember, a quality breeder will only breed a bitch 2-3 times at most anyway. It isn't a matter of location either, as most times they are inseminated.
There are some breeds that have a lot more diversity in bloodlines simply because they have been around for a long time. Occassionally, you can see a breeding done with a non-titled dog because of characteristics of the bloodline. A good breeder knows WAY more about the genetics of a particular breed and of the bloodlines they are breeding. Also, they are looking two-3 generations ahead at times. It isnt always about conformation, but about temerament and breed ability. For example, a beautiful scent hound without a good nose is not desirable either.
A champion in conformation says that this dog has what it takes to pass along great genetics, thus keeping the breed strong, but in working/sporting breeds, the field trials mean a lot, too.
Have you ever been to a dog show? even on a regional show, depending on the breed, there are dozens of dogs for each breed. If you have the opportunity, attend one. It is very fun and interesting!

BUFFY · 06-01-2006, 08:11 PM

i find it so sad how so many dogs end up int he animal shelter, because people are too lazy to neuter their dog. in my opinion, the only people who should be breeding dogs, are prefesional breeders or someone who knows what they're doing and plan to do it for a long time.

drfong · 06-01-2006, 10:53 PM

Buffy I respect that you have that opinion, I just don't share it. We will just have to agree to disagree.

BUFFY · 06-01-2006, 11:37 PM

i agree to disagree, but what i meant wasnt exactly what i said, what i mean is that, if someone isnt going to spay their dog, they should atleast know what might happen, and be prepared for it, as some people just dont think that their dog will get pregnant, so when it happens (if it happens) they are in shock, and become over whelmed with the situation, and when the dont know what to do with the puppies, or cant find good homes for them, they end up in a pound, which i find sad, especially the one by my house, instead of giving the dogs 2 weeks to live, they give it 3 days, and then its shipped off to be euthanized. this is what upsets me.

drfong · 06-02-2006, 12:35 AM

I agree that people should get their pets fixed. There are too many unwanted dogs for people to just let their dogs get knocked up by the mutt down the street, but I don't think one needs to show their dog or be a pro breeder to breed a pet. If my pet is a show quality dog and I can breed her with another quality dog, I think that is fine. I have Austrialian Terriers, in searching the ATCA web site I can find 27 breeders. I don't know how many dogs each has but that doesn't seem like a lot of genetic material to keep a breed strong if they are they only ones breeding Aussies in the states. I'm only talking about breeding pure breed, quality animals, that strengthen the breed.

Cheetah · 06-02-2006, 12:40 AM

How do you know your dogs' genes will strengthen the breed without the dogs proving themselves somehow?

Curbside Prophet · 06-02-2006, 12:43 AM

The author for this quote is unknown to me, but I think it sums up pretty well what a purebred should be.

"Pedigree indicates what the animal should be.
Conformation indicates what the animal appears to be.
But performance indicates what the animal actually is."

drfong · 06-02-2006, 11:33 AM

I don't think my dogs plural will, thats why I'm getting Brady fixed. He has obvious faults. A dog can be show quality without competing. When she gets older I may take her to shows that are close by, but I'm not going to travel all over showing a dog. I just don't have that kind of time.