Goldendoodle Pup -- APRI MOM??

anndi39

Laurelin, All very good points and no offense taken. I am going to look into that...I got the name of our breeder from someone in a local doodle club....and have only done phone as well as snail mail contact with her and one personal visit. I will ask her if she is a member of the breed clubs. As far as why she began... she only told me that she had many requests from people and at fist she refused... but then she decided that people were going to get them from back yard breeders anyway and decided to provide people with a doodle that comes from quality stock... I never even thought to ask if she was forbidden to do it by any of the registries... Im now very curious as well.

Shalva

that is exactly my experience and my husbands experience in the puppy Kindergarten classes and level 1 and 2 obedience classes he teaches and if you ask a friend of mine who is the director of training at a very well known training facility she will say the same.

I haven't met any calmer golden poodle mixes.....

and like I said earlier.... there is a question about whether anyone who deliberately mixes breeds is responsible..... it is probably one of the reasons that this individual does not belong to the breed clubs.... talk about being ostracized...... I wonder if they would even accept her application or if she could find sponsers.....
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Curbside Prophet

My apology, it wasn't my point to suggest your decision was made of only superficial motives. My point is that, yes, since you're going to spend many years with your dog, the quality of the breeder will only help the quality of your dog...and this would include temperament.

anndi39

Thanks curbside i appreciate that, and thats a very good point.

I did ask my breeder...and no, she isn't a member of a breed club. I think its kinda funny how I was attacked first with the health testing and when my doodle passed that test, it was "oh my how whacky and hard to train they are"...and when my doodle was easily trained....then we find a new attack, "OH but is your breeder a club member?!" "NO? oh my what an awful doggy you have, shame!".... lol!

But alas, Im tired...its just me against the majority and I am ready to bow out and find somewhere that people can accept anyone regardless of their doggy choice..... somewhere where people are able to look at your dog and say wow, he does sounds like a cool dog. Enjoy him!

Laurelin

I wasn't attacking, I was just curious if she was. Most people I find who show are it seems.

And if it makes you feel any better, I have never met a goldendoodle so cannot comment on temperament. I did have a half golden retriever who was a wonderful dog however.

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Shalva

I think she was talking about me.... and if she thinks that was attacking she hasn't seen nothin yet....

I thought my answers were straightforward and just very calmly written even though it drives me nuts that folks are out there buying mixes from people who are charging the unsuspecting a ton of money for a mutt when there are mutts dying in shelters.....
but thats ok.....
whatever.....

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Snowshoe

Really???

I didn't realize that they forbid the production of hybrids. I didn't realize that the AKC had rules against it.

I always thought it was just for the lack of quality dogs being bred, which would result in poorly tempered dogs, as well as multiple health problems.

I wonder if the keeshond club has rules against breeding hybrids. I'm off to look!

Amaya-Mazie-Marley

I have a "designer breed" and any time I mention her I feel attacked. When I first got her and looked up Puggat I saw no information hardly at all on the hybrid mix but now there are pages and pages of information on them. She is Pug and Rat terrier mixed and yes I know she is just a mutt. Alot of people make big deals about them, and I understand why, because they come from BYB and puppy mills, but, they are just the same as any other dog. Alot of people adopt dogs from the pound and such, well a "designer breed" is the same thing. A mutt. I do know that Pug and Rat terrier mixes that I've been around are very hyper and high strung. It takes alot to handle my Mazie.

RonE

It's not quite the same thing. When you adopt a dog from a shelter or rescue group, you are giving another chance to a dog who was previously discarded - sometimes for the most frivolous and arbitrary reasons.

When you buy a dog from a breeder who is intentionally mixing breeds, you are encouraging that breeder to crank out more dogs into a world that seems incapable of taking care of the ones that are already out there.

I actually have mixed feelings even about the breeding of purebred dogs. I think there are probably only a handful of people that should be doing even that. Since some of those may be on this forum, I don't want to start yet another fight. But, to me, the bottom line is that there seem to be a lot more good dogs than there are good people who are willing and able to take them in.

I think it's a shame when a Labradoodle owner is made to feel like an inferior human being but I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that paying a premium price for a mixed breed dog is misguided.

It certainly doesn't mean that the dog is undeserving of a loving home or a proud owner. My sincere wish, however, is that some day we will recycle all those unwanted shelter dogs as willingly as we now recycle aluminum cans.

Amaya-Mazie-Marley

What I mean was that in the end they are mutts. I agree that adopting and paying for one is a totally diffrent story. In my case she gave Mazie to us for free, which should have been a sign. Mazie is a nightmare, but we are making very good progress. I do agree with you though RonE..What I said came across wrong. What I meant was in the end they are mutts.

Amaya-Mazie-Marley

Sorry..I repeated myself

Shalva

I am a breeder and I am here and I think it would be ignorant to say that many purebred responsible breeders don't also have mixed emotions at times. If you didn't care you wouldn't take the care necessary to make sure that your puppies don't contribute to the overall problem.....

I don't think anyone is saying that the "designer " dog people themselves are inferior.... I personally think misguided is the good word.... the people that I find myself infuriated with are the breeders of these dogs..... .... the people who buy them don't know better and that is what infuriates me.... that these breeders are lining their pockets.... not working toward breed recognition (which is a big issue for me personally) basically lying to their puppy people about hybrid vigor and hypoallergenicness..... and charging alot of money using inferior breeding dogs because they generally can't get dogs to meet the standard due to the fact that no reputable breeder will sell them a nice dog.... Most of these breeders are just charging a ton of money for a mutt and being dishonest about it to boot..... so the puppy person to be honest I view as somewhat misguided and uneducated...... the breeder is just a .....
well we won't go there.....

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Laurelin

I don't know if the keeshond breed club would have it specifically written in the member's code of ethics, but we sure do. Papipoos are an up-and coming designer cross, so it's stated specifically:

PCA code of ethics.

It makes sense. The breed club is there to promote and preserve the breed. Producing popular crossbred dogs is not doing this.

bluesbarby

To me a mutt and a designer dog aren't the same thing. A mutt to me is a dog of undetermined breeds and therefore you have no idea what you're getting into. With a designer mixed breed you know the breeds you're dealing with. Yes I paid money for my designer dog. But it was alot cheaper than buying a similar pure bred dog. This is my 4th dog in my adult life. It's a small dog and I tried to find one at a shelter but you never see little dogs there, only big ones. The first 2 were adult rescues that we thought were a schnauzer and a springer spaniel and the 3rd was a puppy rescue retriever with what looked to be irish setter, maybe or maybe it was full blooded we never knew. We had lots of health and behavior issues with all three. Not all dogs are the same. Some fit better with your household or circumstances than others. To me, this time around I did tons of research to find a dog that would fit our household. Less dogs would be given up to shelters if people were more realistic with themselves before getting a dog. A dog is a huge committment of time and money.

howdy

We have an 8 month old goldendoodle that is HYPER and SHEDS. We have spent a lot of time and money on training. We bought from a "reputable seller" and was told of all the hype of what a good dog we were getting. Buyer beware.

tirluc

i just want to say that my sister has a black Goldendoodle that is the sweetest, mellowist, most easy going non-shedding dog i have ever encountered....she is just over 1 yr and still has the puppy antics that all dogs have (regardless [irregardless is not technically a word folks] of the breed or mix) but she goes to work w/ my sister at an assisted living home and is quite welcome by all, residents and staff.....

i think the "buyer beware" aspect pertains to any and all four-legged kids....even the best of breeders can throw some that are more than the average person can handle....this is why there are so many dogs in shelters/rescues....b/c the buyer doesn't know what they are getting into and the "breeder" they buy from doesn't back up what they breed (take them back, etc) thus they are not the reputable/responsible breeders to begin w/....

just my ha'penny...FWIW

terryjeanne

Around here, doodles run anywhere from $800-1200. I refuse to pay that much for a mutt.

Otherwise I think they are wonderful. There was one at obedience who was so relaxed, quiet and laid back. The trainer suggested the owner try him in therapy work.

A friend of mine bought one. Super friendly dog but owner keeps on top of training so dog doesn't think every person and child wants a doggy kiss.
She bought a second one that is much more laid back.

Wimble Woof

This thread is well over a year old btw....

poodleholic

The difference between a mutt and a designer dog is marketing and GREED on the part of the breeder. I've had and dearly loved mutts all my life, rescued from the pound, and other shelters. I'm fostering a designer dog right now - Mini Schnauzer and Shih Tzu. The "breeder" charged $900 for this puppy, whom she sold and gave to the buyer at the age of 4 weeks. This little dog is cute, but will require a lot of rehabilitation and behavior modification to even resemble a healthy, balanced dog. She's a fear biter, barks her head off, and more. If I hadn't agreed to take, and work with her, she would have been dumped at the shelter, and eventually pts. Because people don't want "problem dogs."

If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Ignorance is costing millions of dogs their lives.

Evie

I could not agree more.

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