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Old 10-08-2009, 09:19 PM   #1
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Cutest puppy in the world + a couple training questions

Hello folks.

I'm now at one month with Tater, my 12 week old French Bulldog. Don't hate him because he's beoootiful!





I was wondering at what age it's worth starting puppy training. He'll be good to go in about 3 weeks (full shots), so I can start a class at Petsmart after that. I just don't want to waste my time/money if he's too young to take to the training.

I'm also wondering how long it typically takes for a puppy to "get" what their name is and at least glance in your direction when you call them. Tater seems to have ADHD, especially when we're outside for a potty break, and I just want to know if I'm doing something wrong or if I need to reenforce his name in some what to help him make the connection that "Tater" means I'm talking to his little butt.
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Oh I couldn't possibly hate that little Tater!

It takes a bit to learn their names. And yes, distractions are HIGH and frenchies are very curious and boisterous dogs. He's still learning the house, the new family, the rex's etc.

Play the name game. Get some really good treats (really small though) and "charge" his name. All this means is say the name give a treat. Repeat for a ten times or so. Do this once or twice a day (or more!). This will get you a dog that swings his head around the second you say his name..you will find this very handy for future training. OH, and it's NEVER too early to start training. You can start the basics now..sit and his name, and come etc. Make them really short sessions (five minutes max) and make sure they are fun and end on a success.
Check out the book "The Puppy Whisperer" by Paul Owens...it has awesome information for puppies and their harried owners!

When you take him out to potty, make sure he is on a leash. Go to a spot you like him to go and just stand there and wait. When he goes, reward him and THEN let him wander or sniff or play or whatever. Be patient.
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Old 10-08-2009, 10:06 PM   #3
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Oh I couldn't possibly hate that little Tater!

It takes a bit to learn their names. And yes, distractions are HIGH and frenchies are very curious and boisterous dogs. He's still learning the house, the new family, the rex's etc.

Play the name game. Get some really good treats (really small though) and "charge" his name. All this means is say the name give a treat. Repeat for a ten times or so. Do this once or twice a day (or more!). This will get you a dog that swings his head around the second you say his name..you will find this very handy for future training. OH, and it's NEVER too early to start training. You can start the basics now..sit and his name, and come etc. Make them really short sessions (five minutes max) and make sure they are fun and end on a success.
Check out the book "The Puppy Whisperer" by Paul Owens...it has awesome information for puppies and their harried owners!

When you take him out to potty, make sure he is on a leash. Go to a spot you like him to go and just stand there and wait. When he goes, reward him and THEN let him wander or sniff or play or whatever. Be patient.
Thanks for the advice! I don't have him on a leash to go potty because he goes pee as soon as I take him out and I can usually tell by his sniffing behavior if he's looking for a spot to poop or if he's just going to try and put something in his mouth that I have to fish out. He's REALLY good about going immediately when I take him out. I don't know if this is unusual, but he "got it" the first time I took him out to the front garden that outside means potty. The only real problem is his having accidents, especially while playing. He's crated now, and supervised. I thought I could trust him in his xpen, but that's not the case right now.

Since he's highly motivated by food -- he's learned to walk on a leash and avoid distractions when I rattle the ol' ziploc full of food -- I'll definitely try it with the name game. I would love for him to come when called, especially when we go out to potty. He only reliably follows me back in after the first morning potty because he knows breakfast is forthcoming. Otherwise, I have to go pick him up and bring him in. He's only smart when he needs to be, obviously. Otherwise, he makes me do all the work.
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He is adorable!!! And "Tater," what a great name!

Good luck with the puppy training.
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I LOVE Frenchies. They are so cute and Tater is adorable. Ditto on what Cracker said. It's never to early to start training and if he's food motivated then it should be pretty easy. Good luck and can't wait to see more pictures of tater.
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. The only real problem is his having accidents, especially while playing. He's crated now, and supervised. I thought I could trust him in his xpen, but that's not the case right now.
It's not about trust at this point, it's about physical ability. Learning to go outside is only part of the equation in housetraining. Accidents while playing are often indicators that his bladder and urethra are not mature enough to hold it during exertion...this is why they don't often pee a lot when overnight (sleeping/calm) but as soon as they are up they gotta go! They also do not have the muscular control, so there is very little warning. What I would recommend is "empty puppy" before play and then about fifteen minutes in "empty puppy" again. When in doubt, take em out!
This also gives you more opportunity to reward a good "outside pee".
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It's not about trust at this point, it's about physical ability. Learning to go outside is only part of the equation in housetraining. Accidents while playing are often indicators that his bladder and urethra are not mature enough to hold it during exertion...this is why they don't often pee a lot when overnight (sleeping/calm) but as soon as they are up they gotta go! They also do not have the muscular control, so there is very little warning. What I would recommend is "empty puppy" before play and then about fifteen minutes in "empty puppy" again. When in doubt, take em out!
This also gives you more opportunity to reward a good "outside pee".
That's good advice for when we're playing.

I have a stupid question: is a food reward after a desired action better than luring with a food reward? For instance, I'm trying to teach Tater how to come when called. He's doing okay, but he seems to forget halfway through sometimes when we're outside, so I stand in the doorway and shake the food bag at him, and he comes a'galloping in. I reward him regardless if he comes when called or if lured. Am I basically teaching him the same thing, or will luring him with food negatively impact him in the future? Will he only come if I shake the food baggie?
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Re: Cutest puppy in the world + a couple training questions

Oh so cute!!!!! I really want a frenchie someday... I'm seriously considering it as a possibility for the next dog I get. He is adorable and I love the name! Good Luck with training

I would follow cracker's advice and charge his name.. also teach watch me.
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That's good advice for when we're playing.

I have a stupid question: is a food reward after a desired action better than luring with a food reward? For instance, I'm trying to teach Tater how to come when called. He's doing okay, but he seems to forget halfway through sometimes when we're outside, so I stand in the doorway and shake the food bag at him, and he comes a'galloping in. I reward him regardless if he comes when called or if lured. Am I basically teaching him the same thing, or will luring him with food negatively impact him in the future? Will he only come if I shake the food baggie?
That's not a stupid question..it's a very good one. Yes, the food baggie can become PART of the CUE. You want to avoid this. Luring has it's place in training but should be limited to the first one or two times while you work on the verbal cue...so:

Dont use the word COME for now except for actual training sessions. Half the struggle for the humans is not poisoning the cue by using it when it is not fully trained yet. It simply makes it "white noise" to the dog. This is why you see people at the dog park yelling "Barfy, COME!" a zillion times and the pup just keeps on keeping on. If that means you standing in the doorway and tut tuting, baby talking, babbling like an idiot and shaking your booty to get your dog's attention then that is what you should do...lol. If he doesn't come to you GO GET HIM or run excitedly into the house like the most exciting thing ever is IN THE KITCHEN and THEN reward him with a treat when his curiousity has got him trailing you in. ALWAYS reward him and make it a good one, specially reserved for following YOU.

For training the come you DO start with a lure. It should be very small but smelly. You have Tater sit, then facing him, stick the lure under his nose and take two steps back, use the lure to bring him to you and into another sit and reward him. Say "Tater, come" while you are luring him. (the Sit is because puppies are notorious for being hard to leash up if they are standing...so no "chase games" should happen if you have a good sit at the end of the COME cue).

Do this two or three times then use your hand in the same motion, repeating the exercise but with the treat in your pocket or OTHER hand. Reward him with the other hand. Build up to longer distances and to having the treat in a bowl nearby and then in another room. Only say the command ONCE.
Once you are getting a consistent response (come and sit in front of me) you can build distance and practice calling him from different areas of the house. Then you move it outside, going back to the lure and having him on leash if necessary and do the whole thing again. Like any behaviour it takes time and patience and consistency, since recall is a potentially lifesaving command it should be done gradually, building distractions one at a time and only used when you are SURE he is coming to you.
If you have a significant other, Puppy Ping Pong is a good way too...one holds the dog, the other calls and then rewards him. Reverse and repeat.

Also two very important things:
Don't EVER punish him for coming to you, even if he's just rolled in poop, chewed your best shoes or ran around the neighbourhood like a madman. When he EVENTUALLY arrives, reward him.

Don't EVER use come for a negative thing, so no using the cue for nail clipping, bathing, ear cleaning or whatever he doesn't like. This also means that if you use it at the dogpark that you should do it several times during play and release him back to the gang with "go play!" so he knows it does not always mean an end to his fun.

Hope this info helps, it's so much easier to teach a puppy than a dog who's had his recall ruined by silly humans!
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