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| Will from what I've read of it while owning it. It is a great book for helping out with the understanding of the anatomy, physiology, medicine and surgery with in the greyhound. This is a little of what is in the book. http://www.networksplus.net/nga/care.htm
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Originally Posted by luv4gsds Will from what I've read of it while owning it. It is a great book for helping out with the understanding of the anatomy, physiology, medicine and surgery with in the greyhound. This is a little of what is in the book. http://www.networksplus.net/nga/care.htm | It IS a great book...and I have had my copy for years now.  My point is that it's not a book I would recommend for someone who's at the stage of investigating the breed. It's great once you own a greyhound, but not tremendously useful until you do. There are much better options for new/potential adopters - Branigan's Adopting the Racing Greyhound and Livingood's Retired Racing Greyhounds for Dummies are the two best and most often recommended. I have never heard of an adoption group that recommends the Care of...book for potential adopters. Not saying there isn't one, but it would not be the most common or popular (or best, IMHO) book for potential adopters.
The Care of Book sells online for quite a bit of money...I would recommend anyone without a copy wait until the new version is out simply because the old version of the book is so darn expensive and is being replace anyway. You can order through the NGA. Quote: |
I helped out with this breed for many years.
| As have I from fostering to hauling to boarding....in addition to having owned 15 retired racers (13 at the moment). |
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| I looked for quite some time at the humaine saciety etc for a mix , designer dog whatever in a small size and never found a thing. finally got my shih tzu
from a reputable breeder. I am still cnhecking w/ hs for a small designer for my parents have been checking for over a year now. The pure bred people here have made your point over and over OK? we get your point |
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| I have a standard poodle and they are much different than the toy and miniature dog breeds. He is highly intellegient (arguably the most intellegient of all breeds), was housebroken by 4 1/2 months, clean, does not shed at all and he is rather strong and athletic. He loves to play fetch and gets along well with the number of dogs that we meet at our local dog park. My husband and I both work and as long as we give him a nice walk or let him run around the backyard or dog park when we get home he is content. I have owned terriers, hunting dogs, etc. but this dog is by far the smartest, sweetest dog we have ever owned. Standard poodles are great dogs (we also have four cats and except for a few chases around the living room at times, they get along very well). Also, you do not need to groom them like you see on shows, the pupply clip is nice and they don't look so fancy-- I have gotten many comments on his looks. You do need to brush and comb them quite often though. This dog does get big though, our 8 1/2 month old is pushing 55 lbs--I am sure he is close to full grown now tho. Good luck!!!
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Originally Posted by squirt1968 I looked for quite some time at the humaine saciety etc for a mix , designer dog whatever in a small size and never found a thing. finally got my shih tzu
from a reputable breeder. I am still cnhecking w/ hs for a small designer for my parents have been checking for over a year now. The pure bred people here have made your point over and over OK? we get your point | Have you tried petfinder.com? Theres lots on there.
And its not the "purebred people" that are making a point, its the rescue people. |
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03-04-2007, 08:58 AM
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| A lot of times the smaller dogs, especially purebreds, get transferred to rescues. They tend to not do too well in shelter environments, and come off as excessively nervous or shy. In rescues, dogs typically live in a foster-home situation for a few weeks before being offered for adoption, so they have a better understanding of their true personality.
Also, many shelters have waiting lists for specific breeds or types. Last time I was at our local shelter looking at dogs, a young female pug was brought in. The staff there apparently knew someone on their waiting list who was pre-approved to adopt and was looking for a pug, and gave him a call. He was there, and the dog was adopted, before I even got around to looking at all the dogs in kennels.
Any good breeder is going to have a waiting list, and the pups will all have homes before they're even born. A lot of shelters and rescues operate in a similar way. They have waiting lists for specific breeds, genders, ages, and certain dogs never make it to the petfinder listing or adoption area. |
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03-05-2007, 10:06 AM
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| I really like the siggestion of the Giant Schnauzer!!! they are awesome dog and make amazing working partners.
Another breed I thought of is an Airedale Terrier. I know of a person who does all kinds of work with his from bite work to dogsledding! Awesome guy!!!! He is very honest with his breeding practice and if he ever outcrosses to another breed to increase working ability in his dogs (such as Doberman) he never tries to hide it or lies and calls them purebreds. He will clearly show where he outcrossed (if he did), why he outcrossed, and what his plans are for the future. Amazing dude with amazing dogs! |
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| definitely toy poodles or any poodle family. their Low shedding like my dog. |
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03-05-2007, 12:24 PM
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| I have a West Heighland Terrier/ Poodle mix and he is Adorable! I HATE the poodle look and i think the westie style hair helps to straiten out the curls. He looks like a miniture golden retriever to me. Semi wavy hair...but without all the shedding! Great dog.. here is a pic! http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...3/IMG_4149.jpg |
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| Re: Low shedding dogs? Need to pick our first dog. Having seen geyhounds at pet expo's they seem like a nice friendly dog having been rehabilitated to family life after finishing their track career. You could also look into lure-coursing as a sport. Its done mostly with the hound group, I think.
I've been looking into the Flat Coated Retriever & went to The Royal Agricultural Show in Sydney recently to see them. I spoke to a breeder & he said they don't have a double coat & don't shed as much as other double coated breeds. They're about the size of a golden but black. They are a very people friendly gun dog. Another lady talking to him at the same time with a young golden puppy at home, was amazed that no hair came out of the coat each time she stroked the dog's back. She said she'd have hair everywhere each time she petted her goldie.
He also said they don't have the health problems that goldies have. He breeds goldies as well. |
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| Re: Low shedding dogs? Need to pick our first dog. Quote:
Originally Posted by graficoartista31 I have a West Heighland Terrier/ Poodle mix and he is Adorable! I HATE the poodle look and i think the westie style hair helps to straiten out the curls. He looks like a miniture golden retriever to me. Semi wavy hair...but without all the shedding! Great dog.. here is a pic! http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...3/IMG_4149.jpg | I had a Westie before my standard poodle, she was a great dog and didn't shed. |
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| Re: Low shedding dogs? Need to pick our first dog. I have a great book that I will not loan out and I often let anyone use my books to read. This one is by the ASPCA Complete Guide to Dogs it is one of the first books I have ever fell in love with. There is so much info for people getting their first dog, medical problems related to the breed, whether or not it is a good dog for a first time owner, and the upkeep needed for that dog. It also gets into mixed breeds so if you decide to go to the pound to look you will have an idea what type of mix it might be. Good Luck!!! |
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06-22-2007, 09:14 PM
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| Re: Low shedding dogs? Need to pick our first dog. [quote=Laurelin;31988]One thing to think about is that many labradoodle and goldendoodles shed just as much as labs and goldens do. It would be hard to find a truly non-shedding doodle. I wouldn't go with a doodle if shedding is a main concern personally. Too much variation with the crosses especially since most are F1 crosses.
A first gen. doodle sheds just like a lab. If you go with a F1B (2nd Gen.) or higher, they do not shed. THey are wonderful family dogs. You get all the features of a lab with out the shedding. Super smart and very easy to train. They vary in size from 15-100lbs. depending on the parents used.
PM me if you are interested in this breed. I can give you more info. Quote:
Originally Posted by Wimble Woof Sigh... first off.... reputable breeder of doodles is an oxymoron... No reputable breeder will cross breed like this.... I know this is a whole new can of worms here, but has to be said. | Excuse me but, what is your definition of a reputable breeder? I see alot of AKC breeders doing some bad breeding. Everytime, we buy an outside dog from a big time AKC breeder, it seems to have a genetic health problem. And the breeder saying: OH I'm sorry about your luck, I can't help you ( I won't stand behind my dogs). After breeding labradoodles for 10 years, I don't seem to have these problems. But, I am very picky about the dogs I use. Oh. MY I even get my dogs OFA tested and do all shots/worming and all puppies are checked by my vet before they leave. Oh and I give a 2yr. health guarentee for 2yrs (hips and PRA) But, I'm a oxymoron. Which is fine by me, as long as I have happy clients.
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| Re: Low shedding dogs? Need to pick our first dog. a labradoodle is not a "breed" therefore the word "breeder" for this type of dog is incorrect--many labradoodles are extremely high strung, they have bad hair and shed. I have seen several rescue doodles for these reasons. If you want a low shedding BREED you can go with a terrier or a poodle that I know of off hand. Labradoodles are nothing more than a mutt and why would you pay for that when there are sooo many in shelters needing homes. |
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06-23-2007, 10:59 AM
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| Re: Low shedding dogs? Need to pick our first dog. Dalmation has the coat of a greyhound/whippet but is bigger and thicker. |
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| Re: Low shedding dogs? Need to pick our first dog. Quote:
Originally Posted by Ginny01OT a labradoodle is not a "breed" therefore the word "breeder" for this type of dog is incorrect--many labradoodles are extremely high strung, they have bad hair and shed. I have seen several rescue doodles for these reasons. If you want a low shedding BREED you can go with a terrier or a poodle that I know of off hand. Labradoodles are nothing more than a mutt and why would you pay for that when there are sooo many in shelters needing homes. | Sounds like you have only been around 1st generation labradoodles. The 1st gens. are just like you described. The 2nd gen. or higher DO NOT SHED! They are not hyper either. All mine lay around and sleep on the couch/bed all day.
If owners would start taking dog ownership seriously, instead of treating dogs/animals like material things, we wouldn't have so many dogs in shelters. Also, if they would do their research and stop supporting these puppy mills, they would be buying a good quality pet. But a $50-$200 dog fits the pocketbook. THey don't think about the problems they may have down the road. No planning/thinking is involved. Instead, they buy a puppy,realize how much work it is, it doesn't look the way they want it to, does something bad, the cuteness wears off or what ever other excuse they come up with and drop it off at a shelter. When bringing a dog into a home, it should be treated the same as one of the human family members. Would they put their kids on the street? (Ok, I know some would)  Unfortunately, we seem to be living in a: everything is disposable world.
Also, from what I've heard from clients, it's very hard to adopt from a shelter. I've had people buy a puppy from me, because they couldn't get a puppy from a shelter. Main reason being: they would be gone more that 4 hours a day (people do have to work these days) or live in the country and do not have a fence. Or they have had bad experiences with the dogs they have adopted.
I agree, you should adopt if you can. I do feel, if you have small kids it can be a risky thing. Nobody knows the real background of these dogs. |
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06-23-2007, 02:19 PM
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| Re: Low shedding dogs? Need to pick our first dog. I'm probably late on this post but you might want to look into ridgebacks also. As long as you're willing to take them on walks at least 3-4 times a week. Mine has been a great puppy so far and is taking to training very well.  |
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06-23-2007, 06:14 PM
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| Re: Low shedding dogs? Need to pick our first dog. Quote:
Originally Posted by snowyriver If you go with a F1B (2nd Gen.) or higher, they do not shed. THey are wonderful family dogs. You get all the features of a lab with out the shedding. Super smart and very easy to train. They vary in size from 15-100lbs. depending on the parents used. | Red flag! Any breeder who would claim their dogs don't shed, I would turn away and walk out the door. Because this claim is simply not true...all dogs shed. Anyone making this claim, by my definition is a byb, nor a reputable breeder. Be thankful I'm not one of your clients.
Why does your gurantee end at 2 years? I know of pet stores with guarantees that long. Why don't you guarantee your animals well into adulthood? Before I rescued Elsa (who *was* a puppy when rescued), I was on the waiting list for a schnauzer breeder who guaranteed her animals for 7 years, and I've heard of breeders who've guaranteed their animals for longer than that. If I'm going to buy an animal from a *reputable* breeder, I guarantee you I'll have a gurantee well into adulthood. If you're that confident about your breeding program, you would do the same.
An F1B dog is still crossed back to a purebred dog - a hybrid (which I affectionately call a mutt), because despite your claims, the genes are still assorted independently. There is no predictability of the F1B genes, nor are there genetic test available for an F1B labradoodle. Unless you're trying to establish a multi-gen labradoodle, which 10 years of experience would not qualify in my book, you are selling you are selling your dog on the same wave as other designer dogs are sold = not a reputable breeder. I'm afraid you jumped on the bandwagon too early. With no real standard, or useful genetic testing in place, I wouldn't consider any breeder of this type of dog reputable. In fact, I think it only hinders and progress that could be made on developing a new breed. |
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| Re: Low shedding dogs? Need to pick our first dog. Quote:
Originally Posted by Curbside Prophet Red flag! Any breeder who would claim their dogs don't shed, I would turn away and walk out the door. Because this claim is simply not true...all dogs shed. Anyone making this claim, by my definition is a byb, nor a reputable breeder. Be thankful I'm not one of your clients.
Why does your gurantee end at 2 years? I know of pet stores with guarantees that long. Why don't you guarantee your animals well into adulthood? Before I rescued Elsa (who *was* a puppy when rescued), I was on the waiting list for a schnauzer breeder who guaranteed her animals for 7 years, and I've heard of breeders who've guaranteed their animals for longer than that. If I'm going to buy an animal from a *reputable* breeder, I guarantee you I'll have a gurantee well into adulthood. If you're that confident about your breeding program, you would do the same.
An F1B dog is still crossed back to a purebred dog - a hybrid (which I affectionately call a mutt), because despite your claims, the genes are still assorted independently. There is no predictability of the F1B genes, nor are there genetic test available for an F1B labradoodle. Unless you're trying to establish a multi-gen labradoodle, which 10 years of experience would not qualify in my book, you are selling you are selling your dog on the same wave as other designer dogs are sold = not a reputable breeder. I'm afraid you jumped on the bandwagon too early. With no real standard, or useful genetic testing in place, I wouldn't consider any breeder of this type of dog reputable. In fact, I think it only hinders and progress that could be made on developing a new breed. | I am very sorry you feel that way. I have no intentions of having a I'm right, your wrong discussion over this. I have a very good reputation for breeding quality puppies and have no need to justify myself. Everyone is entiled to their own preferences/opinions. Just because someone prefers a hybrid over a a purebred does not mean they should be bashed for it or that the dog is any lesser quality. You have good breeders and bad breeders in purebreds as well. |
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| Re: Low shedding dogs? Need to pick our first dog. Don't deel sorry for me. I'm quite content with the requirements I place on breeders. I'm not one who will be easily duped by a breeder. Frankly, everyone should be that way. And just to be fair, I hold purebred breeders to the same standard. And yes, many do fail my test. Good breeders are far and few between. My approach to breeders is this; you are irreputable until proven otherwise.
I also wouldn't doubt that my standards are more stringent than most. I'm not seeking to bash anyone. I'm merely trying to point out that not all breeders are universally reputable, or to everyone, in spite of how convinced said breed believes they are.
If you talk to a good breeder, they will often state that they want to improve their breed. What I find from doodle and poo breeders is that they have a similar goal, except they want to improve their greed. You may consider yourself an exception, as do many purebred breeders, but as I will inform everyone I know that seeks to buy a pup...buyer beware. |
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