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Old 06-14-2008, 10:33 PM   #21
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Re: Thinking about a Pit or other "dangerous breed" types

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a husky mauled & killed its owners 3 week old baby.
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I couldn't see Ringo doing that... Or maybe I could, I mean, he could mistake it for a rabbit or something. I wouldn't be able to forgive myself for putting a baby in that kind of danger anyway. I'm not that stupid, it's just too bad that those people were.
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I just recently got a dog, I don't even know what a BSL is. My dog is an australian cattle dog, but I have no discrimination against "dangerous breeds". I've never owned one.
BSL is short for "breed-specific legislation" which means banning or otherwise restricting ownership of a dog based on its breed.

It's a good thing you don't live in McCook county, South Dakota. Australian Cattle Dogs are banned as "dangerous dogs" in that county (because "they're part Dingo"). So I guess you do own a "dangerous breed" .
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Old 06-14-2008, 11:59 PM   #23
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1) You may have a hard time finding DOG CARE.
Then it is my job to find an alternative.

2) You may have a hard time finding GROOMERS.
Then I guess I should learn to groom myself.

3) You may have a hard time renting a house or apt.
Can still be done

4) You may get negative looks from other dog owners when you allow your dog off leash in a park.
Please, I'm black, I get those looks anyway (yes, I'm serious).

5) There may be BREED SPECIFIC LAWS in an area where you live OR in an area you may one day move.
Then I'll be sure to research first.

5A) There may be a new BSL introduced in your area, making your pet, illegal.
Then it's my job to fight it

6) You may have a dog that can seriously injure or kill, another dog or child.
That can be said for any dog, even a Chihuahua. Not valid.

7) Most other dog breed owners are FOR "dangerous breed" laws, not against.
Sure...the ignorant ones. It is my job to try and turn that around.

8) You will have criminal and civil liability if your dog injures someone.
You've got that no matter what breed you own.

9) Strangers will most likely be scared of your dog.
I've got Shepherds...let 'em be. It's part of what they're for.

Really, all you've posted for people with breeds like mine and Spicy's is to give us more incentive to educate.

Don't be dissuaded by such a list...take the chance to fight and EDUCATE people. We can't eradicate ignorance, but we sure as hell can lessen it.

I love being an ambassador for the GSD. Even if people don't change their mind about my breed, they go away the better for it because if nothing else, they've learned something new about them, and dog care in general.

It is our job to educate, not give up.
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Old 06-15-2008, 12:06 PM   #25
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Here are some reality's that you will most probably have to live with. If you are not 100% okay with the following list of potential realities, maybe you should consider another breed.

[This should be an ongoing list to help prepare the potential owners of "Dangerous Breeds", what issues they will most likely have to address, when they bring their cute Pit, Bull, Dob, Rott, etc. home.]
IMO, this is a very relevant post. I don't think I've ever seen puppy that wasn't cute...well, almost never. What many people don't think about is the dog that puppy will grow up to be. It is ultimately the "parents" responsibility how the dog ends up. Chi's are labeled ankle biters and trust me, that can hurt, but they could do a lot of damage to a 3 week old child...maybe not as much as, say a Pit, Rott or even Lab, but ANY dog has the ability to hurt a baby.

That said, the doxy that was accused of mauling a 5 month old's genitals here in Houston, didn't do it. It was the only part of the baby that was touched. Turns out his sicko mom did it to him...I digress...even little dogs are getting a bad rap these days!
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Re: Thinking about a Pit or other "dangerous breed" types

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Don't be dissuaded by such a list...take the chance to fight and EDUCATE people. We can't eradicate ignorance, but we sure as hell can lessen it.

I love being an ambassador for the GSD. Even if people don't change their mind about my breed, they go away the better for it because if nothing else, they've learned something new about them, and dog care in general.

It is our job to educate, not give up.
This is such an inspiring post.
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Oh, I try xD
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Re: Thinking about a Pit or other "dangerous breed" types

I have been rescuing APBT's for 14 years in Ontario, and continue to do so with older dogs so they live out their last days with the new BSL.

Here are a couple realities about BSL.

BSL doesn't do anything. It's completely useless, and the only thing it does do is harm trust worthy breeders. There are still as many "Pitbulls" being breed and sold in BSL areas, except they are now being bred and sold by clueless owners, normally teenagers, who don't give the dog the proper care, don't do temperament tests, don't de-worm or even take the animal to the vet when it's born, and sell the puppies at 4 weeks old for $150.

The new puppies then can't be taken to most vets because having an ABPT puppy in a BSL area is illegal, so they are generally sick their entire life. Since all the good breeders, who do look after their animals and do temperament tests are gone, the "Pitbulls" that are left generally have horrible temperaments, can be extremely vicious, and are bred in backyards by irresponsible owners.

BSL also doesn't just apply to American Pitbull Terriers. It also applies in many places to Staffordshire Terriers, and various other breeds. They are talking about banned Bull Terriers,Bulldogs, Olde English Bulldogges, Boston Terriers and Rott's in Ontario next.

Another fact is, the amount of bites that happen don't go down. Holland recently removed all its BSL because the amount of people harmed by "Pitbull" breeds didn't go down.

ABPT and other bull breeds have simply been exploited by incompetent owners. Many teenagers buy them because they think it makes them look cool and taught. Then they attempt to make them vicious, so they can use them to attack other people.

Don't even get me started on the new "American Bully" trend happening in America.

The fact remains ABPT's and other breeds used in dog fighting have been bred over the course of many generations and in most cases hundreds of years to be NON human aggressive. Back in the 1800's, when dog fighting was legal, you had to get into the pit with the dog and manually separate them. Any dog that showed human aggression was killed immediately.

The Bull breeds are being banned because uneducated people THINK they are human agressive, when the ones that are, are generally the neglected dogs of bad owners.

My question is, if they want to ban breeds, then why don't they look into the ones that were actually bred to kill humans and be guard dogs. Anyone who knows anything about the protection industry, you never use a bull breed to be a guard dog.

The fact remains people are afraid of ABPT because of the media and them being exploited by morons.

I think if you want to own a bull breed, you should have to take a test and pass a background check first. There should be select breeders that each state has to certify each year, and any dog being sold to a non state or province registered breeder, must be fixed by six months of age.

BSL doesn't really "ban" the dogs. It just bans the good breeders. The dogs will always exist, just from backyard operations that don't care about the temperament or health of the animal, just the money.
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