Bad Experience

brie'anna · 05-15-2008, 04:29 PM

Here we go.....

The difference between pyometra...and...puppy vaginitis...

General information on Pyometra

Pyometra is a condition in female dogs where the uterus becomes puss-filled. This usually occurs after the dog is 5 years old. It is caused by and ovarian dysfunction that produces too much of the female hormone progesterone.
Area: behavior
Primary Symptom: depression

Secondary Symptoms:
vaginal discharge
appetite loss
lethargy

Area: genital and urinary tract
Primary Symptom: vaginal discharge

Secondary Symptoms:
appetite loss
fever
vomiting

Area: genital and urinary tract
Primary Symptom: puss- like discharge from the vagina

Secondary Symptoms:
fever
swollen vulva
appetite loss

http://www.helpmyhound.com/view_dsyms.php?ds=1262

She had none of these symptoms....she is not 5 years old...either

Puppy Vaginitis

Vaginitis is normally in puppy bitches from 4 - 10+ months of age (until their first season) and although it is often treated as an infection, which it is not, it is simply a condition caused by the normal sloughing off of cells and part of hormonal and developmental changes. I will not use any antibiotics internally for this problem - this is only a temporary condition and will pass as she matures. Here is part of a discussion with Dr. Hutchinson, one of the top reproduction specialist in this country. He is the Veterinarian we use for all our breedings.

Dr. Hutchinson -what is the treatment for puppy vaginitis & does it lead to problems later in breeding

DrHutch: Puppy vaginitis is a NORMAL mucous production in young bitches before their first heat cycle, the total treatment is warm water on a cotton ball and wipe these bitches DO NOT need to be on antibiotics it does NOT lead to infertility and it does NOT make them prone to pyometritis it is not an infection at all usually it's worse when the humidity is high.

http://www.greatdanelady.com/article...ctic_mange.htm

This what she had...but not anymore...Thank goodness!!!

agility collie mom · 05-15-2008, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by brie'anna

So on Sat, the 10th, I went with my next door neighbor to take her dog to go get spayed. So we got there and everything went well.Then when my neighbor called be to let me now whats going on, she told me that they found puss in the dog's uterus and that it looks like the dog was absorbing the pregnancy, then the Medical Center called my neighbor back to tell her that the dog needs to get blood work done, but my neighbor said she doesn't have the money, and they said that they already did, with out asking for permission. My gosh, that was a bad situation. So the bill would have costed $230.00, but she told them that they didn't ask permission and that she was not going to pay them and they said fine, so she only had to pay $120. They took advantage of my neighbor and it's illegal for not asking permission for anything.

P.S. the infection is not pyometra, its Puppy Vaginitis. It's common in puppies and its not serious!!!!!

There was pus present in the uterus and dead puppies because the dog was pregnant. This was a pyo. Dogs younger than 5 years can have this type of infection. I work at a vet clinic and we just had an ten month old min pin come in for emergency spay surgery because she had a pyo infection. Vaginitis is an infection of the vagina. Kind of like a yeast infection in people. It does not produce pus in the uterus.

Willowy · 05-15-2008, 06:14 PM

Yes, the whole "the dog was absorbing the pregnancy" part is what made me think it was a pyo. If a dog is pregnant and loses the litter, she can easily get a bad infection from the rotting in her uterus. Very nasty. And there wouldn't be pus in the uterus with vaginitis. I think this was a very bad situation that fortunately turned out great for everybody

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brie'anna · 05-16-2008, 10:28 AM

We weren' t there so who knows if there was pus in the uterus...Jazzy didn't show any signs of pyometra..so I believe that they made something a big deal when really there wasn't... she's supposingly had that for two weeks... but she's not dead...

applesmom · 05-16-2008, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by brie'anna

We weren' t there so who knows if there was pus in the uterus...Jazzy didn't show any signs of pyometra..so I believe that they made something a big deal when really there wasn't... she's supposingly had that for two weeks... but she's not dead...

Our opinions are based on your oriiginal post which stated that she was only 8 monts old, was reabsorbing her puppies and had pus in her uterus. If those statements are factual; your friend was extremely fortunate that it was caught when it was, she only had to pay 120 and her dog is recovering without incident. Many dogs do not survive these infections, and if they do, the costs can be much much higher.

It's great to hear that the dog is doing well and won't get pregnant again whatever the problem may have actually been!

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So on Sat, the 10th, I went with my next door neighbor to take her dog to go get spayed. So we got there and everything went well.Then when my neighbor called be to let me now whats going on, she told me that they found puss in the dog's uterus and that it looks like the dog was absorbing the pregnancy, then the Medical Center called my neighbor back to tell her that the dog needs to get blood work done, but my neighbor said she doesn't have the money, and they said that they already did, with out asking for permission. My gosh, that was a bad situation. So the bill would have costed $230.00, but she told them that they didn't ask permission and that she was not going to pay them and they said fine, so she only had to pay $120. They took advantage of my neighbor and it's illegal for not asking permission for anything.

P.S. the infection is not pyometra, its Puppy Vaginitis. It's common in puppies and its not serious!!!!!

triaxle32590 · 05-16-2008, 12:43 PM

Puppy Vaginitis

Authored by: Becky Lundgren, DVM

Puppy vaginitis is a sticky, cloudy, white or yellowish vaginal discharge. Puppy vaginitis usually occurs in puppies that are six weeks to about 8 months of age. Episodes can occur intermittently, and can last for weeks to months.

Most puppies don’t show any signs, but others may lick their vulva a lot and develop perivulvar dermatitis. Sometimes the haircoat outside the vagina gets crusty. Some puppies have a lot of discharge and some don’t. Cytologic examination of the discharge will show suppurative inflammation. Your veterinarian will need to perform enough diagnostics to rule out more significant causes of vulvar discharge and feel comfortable with the diagnosis of benign puppy vaginitis.

While other causes (a bladder infection or an anatomical abnormality) of vaginal discharge in puppies call for medical treatment, basic puppy vaginitis is more an annoyance than a medical concern. The important thing is to differentiate between puppy vaginitis and a more serious problem.

Treatment of puppy vaginitis is mainly time and patience. You can remove globs of discharge with a wet baby wipe to keep the vulvar area clean. Douching, antibiotics, or a lot of diagnostics are not appropriate for a puppy that has no symptoms other than discharge. Puppy vaginitis usually goes away on its own, once the dog reaches puberty. Your veterinarian will advise what is best in your puppy’s case.

Date Published: 12/11/2006 9:00:00 AM

I would think the vet would check before doing a costly test .... I have never heard of vets doing test with out permision...She needs to find a new vet..

applesmom · 05-16-2008, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by triaxle32590

Puppy Vaginitis

Authored by: Becky Lundgren, DVM

Puppy vaginitis is a sticky, cloudy, white or yellowish vaginal discharge. Puppy vaginitis usually occurs in puppies that are six weeks to about 8 months of age. Episodes can occur intermittently, and can last for weeks to months.

Most puppies don’t show any signs, but others may lick their vulva a lot and develop perivulvar dermatitis. Sometimes the haircoat outside the vagina gets crusty. Some puppies have a lot of discharge and some don’t. Cytologic examination of the discharge will show suppurative inflammation. Your veterinarian will need to perform enough diagnostics to rule out more significant causes of vulvar discharge and feel comfortable with the diagnosis of benign puppy vaginitis.

While other causes (a bladder infection or an anatomical abnormality) of vaginal discharge in puppies call for medical treatment, basic puppy vaginitis is more an annoyance than a medical concern. The important thing is to differentiate between puppy vaginitis and a more serious problem.

Treatment of puppy vaginitis is mainly time and patience. You can remove globs of discharge with a wet baby wipe to keep the vulvar area clean. Douching, antibiotics, or a lot of diagnostics are not appropriate for a puppy that has no symptoms other than discharge. Puppy vaginitis usually goes away on its own, once the dog reaches puberty. Your veterinarian will advise what is best in your puppy’s case.

Date Published: 12/11/2006 9:00:00 AM

I would think the vet would check before doing a costly test .... I have never heard of vets doing test with out permision...She needs to find a new vet..

Puppy Vaginitis has absolutely nothing to do with an infection that requires spay surgery due to reabsorbing puppies and pus in the uterus.

IMO if the vet did anything at all wrong, it was his failure to convey to the owner just how serious the situation really could become!

Normally if a vet runs into the type of problems as described, the owner doesn't get off with just the price of a routine spay. IMO she should be thankful, not complaining!

triaxle32590 · 05-16-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by applesmom

Puppy Vaginitis has absolutely nothing to do with an infection that requires spay surgery due to reabsorbing puppies and pus in the uterus.

IMO if the vet did anything at all wrong, it was his failure to convey to the owner just how serious the situation really could become!

Normally if a vet runs into the type of problems as described, the owner doesn't get off with just the price of a routine spay. IMO she should be thankful, not complaining!

I think the point of the op was that the vet did tests before they asked permission...Not what the dogs diognosis was...When My corgi went in for a routine operation and they found something else and they called me before they proceeded with the operation... The dog Im sorry to say did not make it due to the fact it was advanced bladder cancer... But they still called me... And they did not charge me for the extra stuff they had to do for him....Thats was just a kindness my vet extended to me....

brie'anna · 05-17-2008, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by triaxle32590

I think the point of the op was that the vet did tests before they asked permission...Not what the dogs diognosis was...When My corgi went in for a routine operation and they found something else and they called me before they proceeded with the operation... The dog Im sorry to say did not make it due to the fact it was advanced bladder cancer... But they still called me... And they did not charge me for the extra stuff they had to do for him....Thats was just a kindness my vet extended to me....

Thank you... It's about time someone understands the situation...