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04-23-2007, 07:25 PM
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#81 | | Super Moderator
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| Re: APRI vs. AKC registration? Quote:
Originally Posted by cindyareed Hello,
I recently placed a deposit on a 3 week old goldendoodle pup. I just found out that the dad (standard poodle) is AKC registered and the mom (golden retriever) is APRI registered. Should I be concerned? I've read the posts in this thread, and am still so confused as to whether or not it really does matter. We are simply wanting to have a puppy come join our lives as a family pet, and lifelong family member. We aren't interested in breeding or showing this dog. (We are mainly interested in the breed.) Anyway...I just thought I'd throw this out there and see what kind of advice or suggestions I may get. Some have said to "run" and others seem to say it shoudn't matter. Help! | I would be one who would tell you to run from an APRI dog. This registry caters to puppy millers and back yard breeders. These are bad words when it comes to dog breeding. We can give you a million reasons why, but many of those ideas have been discussed in this thread.
Many people will tell you that if you were merely looking for a companion pet, you should consider a shelter first. There are many good dogs looking for homes at a shelter.
But what makes your situation even more complicated is that you're interested in a goldendoodle as a breed. As you know a goldendoodle isn't a breed, it's a mix dog. I would call them a mutt, and I don't consider that word as being anything bad, it's just that I personally would never buy a mutt from a breeder.
Furthermore, since your dog is a mixed breed dog, your breeder was trying to cash in on the designer breed fad. More than likely she made a nice profit off you, and you received no contract or guarantee of the dog's health into adulthood, nor was genetic testing done. I personally would require all these things and more if I were to buy a pup.
So, the bottom line is, there's much to criticise about your deposit, and if I were in your shoes I would seriously reconsider. Regardless if you have no intention in showing or breeding your pup, your breeder must do all the thing necessary to illustrate that you're getting the best dog possible. Anything less than that only illustrates that your breeder isn't concerned for your dog. And you have to answer the question...if they don't care, should I buy from them? My answer would be no. (Where good dogs come from.)Where good dogs come from. - General Dog Forum - Dog Forums - all breed dog forum |
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04-23-2007, 09:07 PM
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#82 | | Super Moderator
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| Re: APRI vs. AKC registration? Most of this thread was posted before I first visited this site. I just read the whole thing and I think I should get some kind of prize for that.
My conclusion is that life is much simpler when you get a shelter dog.
Everything about my dog is left to the imagination. What, exactly, is she? How old is she? What was her name before the shelter named her Esther? Are there any more out there like her? Did she escape or did somebody kick her out?
I get to make up the answers as we go along. |
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03-21-2008, 03:32 PM
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#83 | | Junior Member
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| ckc Quote:
Originally Posted by Keno's Mom I've never heard of ARPI before till now. I have heard of the puppy mill CKC (Continental Kennel Club) which is a notorious puppy mill registry. In fact, I just recently went in a local pet shop and noticed that all the puppies in there were CKC registered! I was in a hurry but one day will act dumb and question what is CKC...when they tell me, I will simply tell them "do you know that is a puppy mill registry?" | I really don't want to get into this, however.......
Although I would never register my dogs with CKC, it is NOT a registry just for pms. I am offended.
You can do agility, obediance, and a lot more with CKC. I think it is nice that there is an org. like CKC because kids that have mutts that want to be competitive but can't because their dog is not registered with AKC and can't be, they can still compete, have fun, and with a mutt.
That is all I have to say on this topic. I am moving on, and am not going to post again in this topic. I just wanted to give my 2 cents on CKC.
Thank you and goodbye.
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03-21-2008, 05:11 PM
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#84 | | Senior Member
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| Re: APRI vs. AKC registration? I seriously vote to make what Snowshoe posted about "So you're thinking about breeding" a Sticky. It would be a great place to refer the dozens of pet owners coming on here wanting to breed their dogs. No Joke... nudge nudge to the mods  |
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03-23-2008, 01:01 PM
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#85 | | Junior Member
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| Re: APRI vs. AKC registration? Seems that one of the issues here is that people buy puppies and are duped by bad information regarding whichever registry the puppy is registered with. They dont want to admit they were duped, and will do whatever possible to justify their registry.
This happened with my mom...she can now admit she made a mistake. |
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03-23-2008, 02:28 PM
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#86 | | Senior Member
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| Re: ckc Quote:
Originally Posted by loverofdogs I really don't want to get into this, however.......
Although I would never register my dogs with CKC, it is NOT a registry just for pms. I am offended. You can do agility, obediance, and a lot more with CKC. I think it is nice that there is an org. like CKC because kids that have mutts that want to be competitive but can't because their dog is not registered with AKC and can't be, they can still compete, have fun, and with a mutt.
That is all I have to say on this topic. I am moving on, and am not going to post again in this topic. I just wanted to give my 2 cents on CKC.
Thank you and goodbye.
loverofdogs | AKC is really the only main registry out there that doesn't let mutts compete (and there are talks of them changing that and creating a new category). There are tons of registries out there for mutts to compete in.....
USDAA
NADAC
ASCA
UKC
AMBOR
CPE
The registries listed above hold tons of events and some (like USDAA and NADAC for agility) are more popular than AKC in parts of the country. I have never seen events sponsored by CKC. They seem to only hold a few token events through the country every year. If you have a mutt and want to compete you have tons of options available with the registries listed above. There is no need for the Continental Kennel Club except to promote BYBs and puppy mills.  |
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03-26-2008, 06:34 AM
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#87 | | Senior Member
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| Re: APRI vs. AKC registration? Quote: |
Acquiring a pure breed from a breeder doesn't necessarily mean that you obtained a pup from a reputible person. The AKC pushes buying your puppies from breeders only.
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There ARE good petstores out there and I, for one, will not rule out ever buying from one.
| Anyone who actually buys a puppy from a petstore is only fooling themselves, and lining the pockets of puppymillers. No ethical breeder would EVER place a puppy in a petstore, for obvious reasons! |
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06-16-2008, 05:27 PM
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#88 | | Junior Member
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| Re: APRI vs. AKC registration? I still think it's disgusting of the APRI to run contests where you win free pet store dogs etc. and I still do not recognise them as a reputable place to register my dog.[/quote]
You DO NOT win free pet store dogs! If you register your puppy within 60 days, they enter you in their contest to win the MONEY BACK you paid for that puppy! Which is a wonderful way to encourage people to register their puppies right away. Otherwise they give you a year to register them or pay an extra fee.
I bought my 3 year old AKC yorkie from a lady who never bothered to register him & ended up paying $65 as penalty for registering late, plus the $20 normal fee! As I only paid $200 for him, it was well worth it, but still AKC shouldn't charge that high a fee for filing paperwork late.
Seems to me that AKC cares more about taking money than giving it away!
I dual registered him & my female both thru APRI & all 10 puppies that we've had so far because I have found them to be a wonderful registry. Their customer service is beyond reproach, which is more than I or many people can say for AKC's customer service! APRI will not just register any animal without at least a 3-generation pedigree & they also will dual register an AKC dog for free! They DO NOT just want our money, they actually care more about the dogs, or else they'd charge for this "bonus"!
APRI goes by the breed standard the same as AKC!
AKC actually promotes "imbreeding" and in my book, that's disgusting! I would never take a chance of my babies being born with an arm coming out of their head, or having 6 legs!! 
When dual registering an AKC dog, APRI requires that you are in GOOD STANDING with AKC, so no, they do not take "limited registration" AKC dogs just because they have gotten kicked out of AKC!
Angie, my yorkies are my life! I proudly support APRI!
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06-16-2008, 05:38 PM
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#89 | | Senior Member
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| Re: APRI vs. AKC registration? Quote:
Originally Posted by yorkielover4life
AKC actually promotes "imbreeding" and in my book, that's disgusting! I would never take a chance of my babies being born with an arm coming out of their head, or having 6 legs!!   | That's quite laughable and shows you really don't understand inbreeding and the consequences of inbreeding. It's not going to cause a bunch of random mutations like that. |
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06-16-2008, 09:13 PM
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#90 | | Senior Member
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| Re: APRI vs. AKC registration? Quote:
Originally Posted by yorkielover4life I dual registered him & my female both thru APRI & all 10 puppies that we've had so far because I have found them to be a wonderful registry. Their customer service is beyond reproach, which is more than I or many people can say for AKC's customer service! APRI will not just register any animal without at least a 3-generation pedigree & they also will dual register an AKC dog for free! They DO NOT just want our money, they actually care more about the dogs, or else they'd charge for this "bonus"!
I proudly support APRI! | Because you're a BYB, so obviously you do!
Do you even know what genetic diseases Yorkies can carry, and have you tested all your dogs for them before you let them breed? ALL purebred dogs are somewhat related, or 'imbred' as you call it, because that's how a purebred breed is CREATED. If you didn't even know that, you shouldn't be breeding dogs at all. |
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