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Old 12-07-2006, 06:04 AM   #21
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Problem is that there is no place to resurch blodlines in dogs. The AKC does not keep those type of records so there is no way to know what a dog has produced what is a good cross or any other info needed to make a good informed desition.

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This is true. This is why the breeder probably needs to be more carefully picked out then the puppy.

And, you CAN research bloodlines- there is usually a breed data base which contains information on all dogs registered with in it.

Also, if you go to dog shows and strike up a conversation with a breeder (who isn't in the middle of grooming, or walking) then you can set up a time to meet with them to discuss the questions you have a bout the breed.

They don't know you from Adam, so they'll likely be forthcoming when it comes to what you can expect. Usually, different kennels will carry different lines. If you can ascertain that the kennel is reputable, you can call and ask them about their particular dogs, and they should disclose any and all health problems, or other problems in their dogs.
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This is true. This is why the breeder probably needs to be more carefully picked out then the puppy.

And, you CAN research bloodlines- there is usually a breed data base which contains information on all dogs registered with in it.

Also, if you go to dog shows and strike up a conversation with a breeder (who isn't in the middle of grooming, or walking) then you can set up a time to meet with them to discuss the questions you have a bout the breed.

They don't know you from Adam, so they'll likely be forthcoming when it comes to what you can expect. Usually, different kennels will carry different lines. If you can ascertain that the kennel is reputable, you can call and ask them about their particular dogs, and they should disclose any and all health problems, or other problems in their dogs.
Actually at least with Goldens this is not true. Even the GRCA does not keep the type of records I am wanting.

Talking to people is good and I have and will continue to do so not only with dogs but other animals as well. However I have found in my years that I do not beleive much of anything poeple tell me about an animal. I want to go to the actual regisitry and varife what they are saying. I want to be able to look up an animale by name and see what he has done where he did it at what the compitition was like. I want to see what they have produced what their sire and dam have produced what their get have done what their siblings have done. I what to see what crosses work for what and which do not. The way things are set up now this is not posible. I find it hard to beleive that making a good breeding desitions with out these facts would be the best desition that is posible.

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Keno's Mom, the bitch was registered with both. The breeder felt that if she went with both sets of papers that it would leave more options for my friend to show her with what ever club she wanted. She sells all of her puppies this way. And to be honest I really wish I was into the breed that she has. Because I have met this lady and if I were to buy a puppy again it would be from her. My friend took me to her house when she had a litter of pups, the pups were already spoken for but the breeder loves it when people and past puppy buyers just want to come see the new litters, so she will welcome any one to come. We got there and the puppies were in an xpen in the living room. We sat on the couch and 4 other dogs jumped up to sit in our laps and to be petted. She has a display case that proudly displays all of her winnings from both AKC and APRI.
This breeder was so sweet and so nice she sold me on APRI. Her dogs are all registered with both AKC and APRI she has never sold to a broker. I have since registered my dogs with both clubs and show with both clubs. And I am not the only one, I see lots of the same faces at the APRI shows that I do at the local AKC shows.
All I am saying here is, the job of the service is to keep records on pure bred dogs, offer pedigrees and hold conformation shows. Just because your dog is only registered with one service does not make it a good or bad dog. There are wonderful APRI dogs as well as there are realy bad AKC dogs. The papers that your puppy comes with does not mean it is a nice healthy well adjusted pup, or that it is a sick unhealthy have to have it fixed right now and you got taken by a breeder puppy.
So to answer the first question on here. If your puppy is APRI that does not make it a bad pup. Do what everyone should do. Take the pup to the vet make sure it is healthy, watch it grow give it lots of love and attention. Train your puppy make sure he or she has good manners. And by all means if your pup has what it takes and if you both enjoy showing, get out there have some fun and go to some shows. Just because you show a dog, that does not mean you have to breed the dog. Showing can be a really fun family event. And when I say family I do mean family dog included. Do not let the snobs of the dog world scare you away from it. Follow your heart not the words of others.
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I guess my question is this: would it be easier for a puppy mill to register with APRI, or with the AKC?

I realize that the registry doesn't make the dog. I just would think that going with the main stream would be the way to go.

If the APRI has so many shows, why haven't I heard of them? I mean...you get the AKC Eukenuba, and the Westminster, all of which show AKC registered dogs.

Can you have an APRI champion and show him/her at Westminster? Does that APRI have anything like the Eukenuba?
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I believe in recent years (this from AKC breeders) that AKC has cracked down about the puppy mills registering...making it harder or something. So they went to the "alternative" registries or created them. Many of them are so fake. One even went so far to print you pretty certificates for your dog - they registered anything and everything - no matter what it was.

I've never heard of ARPI before till now. I have heard of the puppy mill CKC (Continental Kennel Club) which is a notorious puppy mill registry. In fact, I just recently went in a local pet shop and noticed that all the puppies in there were CKC registered! I was in a hurry but one day will act dumb and question what is CKC...when they tell me, I will simply tell them "do you know that is a puppy mill registry?"

And again, the website doesn't say you can take your ARPI dog and have it registered in AKC....however they do say your AKC dog can be registered in ARPI!
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I guess my question is this: would it be easier for a puppy mill to register with APRI, or with the AKC?
Answer: Well it is the same all you do is fill out an application to register a litter of puppies and send in the money to do so.
I realize that the registry doesn't make the dog. I just would think that going with the main stream would be the way to go.
Answer: Just because most people choose to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge does that mean one can not jump from the Golden Gate Bridge.
If the APRI has so many shows, why haven't I heard of them? I mean...you get the AKC Eukenuba, and the Westminster, all of which show AKC registered dogs.
Answer. Well maybe you have had blinders on and have not looked for them. How many AKC shows are out there that you have no idea are being held unless you look? Would you know about Westminster or Eukenuba if they were not televised.
Can you have an APRI champion and show him/her at Westminster? Does that APRI have anything like the Eukenuba?
Answer: Yes. We have a breeder that did in fact show her dog at Westminster and also showed him with APRI. But her dog is registered with both as well. And to answer the second half of that question. Yes they do. It is called Parade of Champions, it is an invitational show only. Just like the other two there is prize money at this one. But remember when you show your dog with both they must be registered with both. AKC does not accept an APRI Champion. So you must show with both clubs to get your champion titles with both clubs.
In fact the show is this weekend, in Branson. Come on out you may just be suprised to see who is there, might be a few AKC show people you know.
This is my last post on this subject, the good old AKC and APRI argument can go on forever just as the evolution vs creation argument. All we can do is read, learn, see, and feel to come up with our own conclusion.
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i have a couple ?'s .......first, you all are saying that the only legit registries in the States is AKC and CKC (Can.)......i beg to differ on that.....my 3 BC are reg. ABCA and have ISDS reg background as well (that's American Border Collie Assoc. and International Sheepdog Society reg) so you're saying that these are not legit?.......wrong......they just don't focus on the conformation showing of the dog, they judge the working abilities.....

also, this kinda concerns me as well.....

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if this is allowed, where does responsible breeding take place.....to me, if there is more than one sire to the litter than the registries should be cancelled out.....this, IMHO, is bad breeding.....that bitch should NEVER be exposed to more than one sire at the time of her heat......and i know this has been going on since....well, forever....anyways, but the knowing of the different sires doesn't make it any more right or ethical.....to me it means a breeder that isn't careful of his/her breeding habits.....
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When I said about AKC, UKC (I had forgot about them ) and CKC being legit, I was not talking about the individual breed specialty clubs/associations. Those are totally different. AKC/UKC/CKC are ALL breed associations.

The other associations that register dogs are usually used by puppy mills/byb's cause they don't have as strict rules. Someone posted a link regarding the "other" associations so you know what it puppy mill registries.

This is the link:

http://winddreamer.net/labfiles/alte...egistries.html

Now you can make up your own mind about APRI, since its in the list of puppy mills registries.
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oh, don't get me wrong about APRI.....i agree w/ you on that.....but i have had people say w/ the ABCA that that is not a registry b/c they 1) only reg. the BC's and 2) they don't do conformation ......just making sure that others on here were not under that same assumption......
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An association is only as good as it membership. Shows only as good as the compitition.

You can not say that one is better then the other as they seem to be different. Just b/c you have not herd of one does not nessicarally make it bad or good for that matter.

As for showing in one and not the other or one registry not being able to show at Westminster or Eukanuba.

Well I am sure you have hear of THe Kentucky Derby and the other triple crown races. Well those are only for TB horses that are 3yo. and registed with the Jocky Club.

Does that make the AQHA less of a registry? They can not run at any of the Triple crown races so by what you are saying is that one is better then the other b/c one has some big show/race on TV and everyone knows about it and the other does not.

To the same there are registry who only register based on Color, some associations/registries are bases solly on a given performance event. Some of these events are offered in several differnt registries yet one is considered more lagit then others. Does this make the other less of a registry b/c the particapants do not like it or think much of it?

There are many differnt ways to look at one thing like it or not. What it comes down to is that the people running the registry/organization is trying to imporve. They all have to start somewhere and for some reason.

APHA was started b/c AQHA would not register AHQA horses with too much white. Does this make APHA a fake registry and no good? Does this make APHA registerd horses junk?

There are many examples that I am sure I have not even thought of. If you do not like something then change it or let it be. Do not talk down about it until you have at least partisipated at their events and see exactly what they are about.

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I just purchased an APRI shiba puppy. She's registered with America's Pet Registry, Inc. Both of her parents come from a champion bloodlines. Can I get her registered with AKC. What's a difference between the 2? Is AKC more reputable?
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I think it all depends if the breed is recognised by the AKC. The AKC is the main dog breed registration in America.
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Well I am sure you have hear of THe Kentucky Derby and the other triple crown races. Well those are only for TB horses that are 3yo. and registed with the Jocky Club.

Does that make the AQHA less of a registry? They can not run at any of the Triple crown races so by what you are saying is that one is better then the other b/c one has some big show/race on TV and everyone knows about it and the other does not.
first off, we're talking about 2 different breeds of horses......you want to run your Quarter horse against a Thoroughbred....go right ahead.....this would be like putting your Labrador into a herding trial w/ all the BC's.....i don't know for sure, as i don't do horse showing, but isn't there shows for all breeds of horses to compete in (Dressage, Western/English Showmanship, Jump, cutting comp.,etc)....i don't think these are open to ONLY specific breeds of horses....

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To the same there are registry who only register based on Color, some associations/registries are bases solly on a given performance event. Some of these events are offered in several differnt registries yet one is considered more lagit then others. Does this make the other less of a registry b/c the particapants do not like it or think much of it?
i can't think of any registry that is based on colour......and the performance events are not based on any breed of dog, it's usually put up by a breed/dog club for that event (agility, flyball, obedience, rally-o, etc)

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and APHA was started b/c the Paint is a different breed entirely (colour breed) from the QH.....yes the QH can be a Paint and be dual reg. (APHA and AQHA) same as the Arab can't be reg as a QH but can be dual reg as APHA and Arab (if it is a Paint), nor the Morgan, etc. but, and all you horse people out there correct me if i'm wrong, but most of these can be dual reg. in both colour and breed registries.....am i right?


but everyone is right here....alot of these "registries" for dogs have been formed so that the puppymillers can say "See, i have "quality" puppies and charge astronomical amounts of $ to un/misinformed people who then alot of times spend another astronomical amount of $ trying to keep the "ill-bred" pup alive and/or healthy.....i know, a friend of mine is going thru this w/ her Collie.....
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They are differnt breed however they still have many things in common. There is alot of TB in the QH breed. You can still register a 1/2 TB 1/2 QH with AQHA.

APHA in NOT a different breed. It tecknially in not a breed it is a color registry. Only colored horses can be shown in APHA shows. Breeding stock (solid) horses can not be shown in APHA events.

Then there is the Pinto Association also strickly a color registry. There are also 2 differnt Buckskin Associtions who are stricktly a color stock horse registry. Horse must have dun factor to be registerd. I can go on but you get the drift.

Performance events such as NRHA requier a horse to have a compitition lisence to compet. For many many years NCHA would only allow AQHA registerd horse to compet. This is why Miss White Trash was not allowed to be shown in Cutting and was they shown as a reiner. Rest is history. Now AQHA has changed the "White Rule" and these horses are not allowed back in.

Each of these registries where started for a reason. AQHA b/c they wanted a way to track blodlines in horses who showd certain tendancies. Most QH can be traced back to Arabs, Morgans, some draft breeds, even TB. Dose that mean that AQHA is not legit as it has such meager start.

Same with NRHA it is now celibrating its 40th year. By 2012 they hope reining will be an Olymic event.

What I am trying to say is that no mater how a registry starts. If it is handled correctly, sets a standard, puts on sanctioned shows, keeps track of winners and points and one thing even AKC is lacking is tracking blodlines. To me this is what a registry does. Keeps track of blodlines what they produce what each sires get does and what the crosses are. This is not being done. So to me AKC is just a clearing house and nothing more. Great place to show and register a dog b/c of the shows, guidlines and such but has little more to offer.

I would like to see them offer an altered dog class in coformation. Let people show who have no interest in breeding. I am getting a puppy this spring and will keep the dog intack b/c I want to show. I personally do not like intack dogs for many reason and yes at some point I may breed the dog but only if it meets my criterea for breeding. However I would rather just show the dog. I really think AKC has really missed the boat on this one.

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Hi I am new to the forum so I am hoping to learn something
So...I just learned that our new puppy Cookie our Miniature Schnauzer has APRI papers and not AKC- I was mislead and feel awful about that. Our puppy is just adorable though and the vet says she is in perfect health so I have to wonder about all the postings on this forum. Some said have a dog spayed because she is not AKC? I am confused about that statement. She can't/shouldn't ever have a litter because she doesn't belong to the better of the two organizations? If we don't plan to have a show dog (and are okay with that)and assume her puppies won't be show dogs (and are okay with that too) then why would we have her spayed? Am I missing something?
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Hi I am new to the forum so I am hoping to learn something
So...I just learned that our new puppy Cookie our Miniature Schnauzer has APRI papers and not AKC- I was mislead and feel awful about that. Our puppy is just adorable though and the vet says she is in perfect health so I have to wonder about all the postings on this forum. Some said have a dog spayed because she is not AKC? I am confused about that statement. She can't/shouldn't ever have a litter because she doesn't belong to the better of the two organizations? If we don't plan to have a show dog (and are okay with that)and assume her puppies won't be show dogs (and are okay with that too) then why would we have her spayed? Am I missing something?
The APRI registry has been known to be the registry of choice for puppy millers and back yard breeders. And APRI does not lists standards for their animals. Therefore, the quality of their animals is below what anyone knowledgeable would consider quality, and deserving to be bred. What you may be missing is this...unless the dog is an excellent example of the standard (the AKC standard), it should not be bred, because you are not breeding for the betterment of the breed. Why produce sub-quality dogs? Furthermore, there are way too many dogs sitting in shelters without homes, and you do not want to add to, or take away homes from these deserving animals. Therefore, it's my opinion that it would be in your best interest, for both you and the dog, to have her spayed. But, love her like she was the greatest dog on earth...she really doesn't care what papers she has, she just cares for your love.

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Unless your dog is a top quality example of the breed and show either in confirmation or field trials that you earn titles, he/she should NOT be bred period. And you should be testing your dog before you breed for any of the breed inherited problems - many breeds have problems with hip dyplasia. Some other have eye problems, etc.

No dog needs to have a litter before being spayed. A good breeder will get clearances for their dogs, carefully select the best homes for puppies and be willing to back up health guarentees and be willing to take the dog back if the owner can't keep it.


Here is another website that lists the puppymill/backyard breeders registries for anyone considering buying a dog. Keep those other associations in mind and stay away from any breeder/pet shop that is registering puppies under one of these groups:

http://members.tripod.com/~Moosewood/registries.html


These are the first 3 (maybe the worse ones?)

ACA - American Canine Association Advertises that over 3000 adult breeding canines are registered each week. Only registry endorsed by Petland. **Caters to commercial breeders.** Refers puppy seekers to pet stores.

APRI - AMERICA'S PET REGISTRY INC. Advertises free registration for commercial breeders. Non Profit 'dedicated to the preservation of the professional pet industry', dogs and cats. Founded by retailers of pets (commercial breeders and resellers).

CKC-Continental Kennel Club (do not confuse with Canadian Kennel Club!)
CKC will recognize a cross between any two purebred dogs, and will issue a registration certificate on their offspring. These crosses are not registered as purebred dogs but are registered as the offspring of purebred dogs. CKC accepts no responsibility for any inaccurate, false, or fraudulent information submitted on registration applications. They sponsor no shows or championships. They also give big fee breaks to large kennels registering lots of dogs (such as Puppy Mills). Will register dogs not registered with other recognized registries.

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And I thought this thread had gone over the rainbow bridge! Sheesh!

To Cookie's mom:

Birthing has many, many health risks. If you get your dog spayed, it will prevent all that.

If you know (your words, not mine) that your dog is not show quality, why would you put her life at risk to have poor quality puppies?

If you spay her, she won't EVEN know what she's missing.

People tend to try to humanize their pets- we imagine how WE would feel in their place. However, what you're forgetting is that dogs can't think on our level.

As I've said before, she'll have no clue.

Plus, spaying prevents all types of problems in dogs. You want her to live a long and healthy life, right?
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ATTENTION ALL NOVICE POTENTIAL BREEDERS!!

SO YOU WANT TO BE A BREEDER? - Breeding the female
So you want to breed your female. You know what to expect if everything goes right. Your little girl will present you with tiny bundles of joy. She will lovingly nurse them and care for them until they are old enough to be weaned.

You and your family will find great joy in watching and playing with these little dolls, and then when the time is right they will all (or maybe you keep just one) go off to special homes to live out their lives as cherished companions. But have you given consideration to what if something goeswrong? I have listed here a few of the problems that I myself have personal knowledge of. Everything listed has happened either to me or someone I know. These are not isolated incidents. I'm sure other breeders could add miles to my list. Learn by others mistakes!. Let the breeding up to those who know what they are doing, have the experience, know what to expect.

WHAT IF DURING THE BREEDING


The stud dog you have chosen is carrying a venereal disease and gives it to your female. She not only doesn't conceive but you have to pay the vet bills to get her infection cleared up and she is now sterile.
The stud dog you decided to breed your darling to is not experienced. Once the two dogs are joined tightly in a tie, he decides to chase the neighbors cat out of his yard. He bolts for the cat ripping his penis loose and causing your bitch to hemorrhage from within.
Your modest girl decides she doesn't want the attentions of this gigolo mutt chosen for her without her consent. She snaps at him catching her tooth on his loose cheek and rips it open sending blood flying everywhere. He retaliates by sinking his teeth into her left eye.
You leave your dog with the stud owner because the breeding is not going very swiftly. In fact , it's been three hours and nothing is happening. The stud owners leave the two dogs alone in the back yard. The dogs get out through a tiny hole in the fence and a truck hits your female.
You pay the $250-$1000 stud fee up front figuring you will make that and more back when the pups sell. The breeder guarantees the stud service to work or you can come back again. After 2 months you discover it didn't work and now must wait another 4 months to try again. Of course it doesn't work again, so in another 4 months you take your dog to another male and risk loosing another stud fee.
You get her bred. Bring her home. She bothers you so you let her out she is still in heat and still receptive to males. You hear a commotion outside there is your girl tied up with the neighborhood mutt. when she whelps there will need to be DNA tests done on the pups.
You get her bred. Bring her home and let her out. (She is still in heat and receptive to other males) but you do not see the neighborhood mutt breed her. The pups are born but look odd. You call the stud owner he suggests DNA testing (At your expense). You have a litter of mutts! What do you do about the ones you have already sold?
Or knowing she tied with the neighborhood mutt you decide to terminate the pregnancy and try again being more careful next time. But a few weeks later your female is very sick because you had her given a miss-mate shot creating a hormonal imbalance causing a uterine infection and now she has Pyometra and needs a complete hysterectomy. All plans of getting a litter is gone and your female's life is now in danger if she does not have the operation.
WHAT IF DURING THE BIRTH


The puppies are too large for the female. She never goes into labor, the puppies die and she becomes infected by the decaying bodies.
The puppies are coming breech and they drown in their own sacks before they can be born.
The first puppy is large and breech. When it starts coming your female starts screaming, and before you can stop her she reaches around, grabs the puppy in her teeth and yanks it out killing it instantly.
A puppy gets stuck. Neither your female nor you can get it out. You have to race her to the vet. The vet can't get it out either. She has to have an emergency caesarian section of course it is 3:00 am Christmas day.
A puppy is coming out breech and dry (the water sack that protects them has burst). It gets stuck. Mom tries to help it out by clamping her teeth over one of the back legs. The head and shoulders are firmly caught. Mom pulls on the leg, hard, peeling the flesh from the leg and leaving a wiggling stump of bone.
A dead puppy gets stuck in the birth canal, but your female is well into hard labor. She contracts so hard trying to give birth that her uterus ruptures and she bleeds to death on the way to the vet.
WHAT IF DIRECTLY AFTER THE BIRTH


The mother has no idea what to do with a puppy and she drops them out and walks away, leaving them in the sack to drown.
The mother takes one look at the puppies, decides they are disgusting droppings and tries to smother them in anything she can find to bury them in.
The mother gets too enthusiastic in her removal of the placenta and umbilical cord, and rips the cord out leaving a gushing hole pulsing blood all over you as you try in vain to stop the bleeding.
Or, she pulls on the cords so hard she disembowels the puppies as they are born and you have a box full of tiny, kicking babies with a tangle of guts the size of a walnut hanging from their stomachs. Of course all the babies must be put to sleep.
What if because of some Hormone deficiency she turns vicious allowing no one near her or the babies, who she refuses to nurse, or you have to interfere with.
You notice something protruding from her vagina when you let her out to pee. You take her to the vet to discover a prolapsed uterus, which needs to be removed.
WHAT IF WHEN YOU THINK YOU'RE IN THE CLEAR


One or more of the puppies inhaled fluid during birth, pneumonia develops and death occurs within 36 hours.
What if the mother's milk goes bad. You lose three of your four puppies before you discover what is wrong. You end up bottle feeding the remaining pup every two hours, day and night. After three days the puppy fades from infection and dies.
The puppies develop fading puppy syndrome you lose two. You bottle-feeding or tube feeding the last remaining baby. It begins to choke and despite your efforts to clear the airway, the pup stiffens and dies in your hands.
Your female develops mastitis and her breast ruptures.
Your female develops a uterine infection from a retained placenta. Her temperature soars to 105. You race her to the vet, he determines she must be spayed. He does the spay in an attempt to save her life, you pay the hundreds of dollars bill. The infection has gone into her blood stream. The infected milk kills all the puppies and the bitch succumbs a day later.
All the puppies are fine but following the birth the female develops a hormone imbalance. She becomes a fear biter and anytime anyone tries to touch her she viciously attacks them.
Mom and pups seem fine, the puppies are four weeks old and are at their cutest. However, one day one of the puppies disappears. You search everywhere but you can't find it. A few days later another puppy is gone. And another. You can't figure how on earth the puppies are getting out of their safe 4' x 4' puppy pen. Finally there is only one puppy left. The next morning you find the mother chomping contentedly on what is left of the last murdered puppy.
WHAT IF THE NEW HOMES AREN'T SO HAPPY


You give a puppy to a friend. Their fence blows down so they tie the puppy outside while they go to work. A roving dog comes along and kills the puppy. Your friend calls you up to tell you about the poor little puppy and asks when you are having more puppies.
You sell a puppy to an acquaintance. The next time you see them you ask how the puppy is doing. They tell you that it soiled their new carpet so they took it to the pound
You sell a puppy to a friend (you give them a good price and payments). They make a couple of tiny payments. Six months later they move to an apartment. They ask you to take it back. You take it back and of course the payments stop. The dog they returned is so shy, and ill mannered from lack of socialization and training it takes you a year of work providing socializing and training to be able to give it away.
You sell a puppy to a wonderful home. They love her like one of the family. At a vet check done by their vet it is determined that the puppy has a heart murmur. (Your vet found nothing when he checked the puppy before it was sold.) They love their puppy and want the best for her. They have an expensive surgery done. The puppy is fine. They sue you for the medical costs. They win, because you did not have a contract stipulating conditions of guarantee and so as breeder you are responsible for the puppy's genetic health.
You give a puppy to your mother. She is thrilled. Two years later the puppy starts developing problems. It begins to develop odd symptoms and is suffering. Hundreds and hundreds of dollars worth of tests later it is finally discovered that the dog is suffering from a terminal condition that was inherited. possibly from your female since you know nothing about her family lines.
One loving home decides your puppy is untrainable, destructive and wants to return the pup and get a full refund, which you have spent on your vet bills.
One loving couple calls you and is very upset because their pup has crippling hip dysplasia and want to know what you are going to do about it. You have spayed your female so a replacement is out of the question, looks like another refund.
THE SALE




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Old 01-06-2007, 10:54 PM   #39
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You put your ad in the local paper for your pups at the usual price and get only 2 responses and no sales. You cut the pup's price in half and broaden your advertising to 3 other newspapers in which the advertising totals $120.00 a week.
You get a few more puppy inquiries from people who ask all about health testing you did before breeding and if the pups are registered. You tell them your dogs are healthy and it was enough and that you could get the papers. The callers politely thank you and hang up.
The pups are now 4 months old and getting bigger , eating alot and their barking is really beginning to annoy the neighbors who call the police who inform you of the $150.00 noise by-law.
Your neighbors also call the humane society who comes out to inspect the care of your dogs. You pass inspection but end up feeling stressed and harassed.
You finally decide to give the rest of the litter away but still have to pay the $1200.00 advertising bill and the $600.00 vet bill.
So you gotta ask yourself: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, "breeder?"

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Well I did want to learn something and I have. All of your comments make sense and I agree with most of them. Our puppy is so sweet and the kids adore her. My husband and I hoped that in a few years they would have the opourtunity to see her have a litter but I am sure they would rather have her around longer than have a litter. On a different note- all the talk about backyard breeders and puppymills have me terrified. How will I be able to tell if she is going to be a sickly pup? Are they any signs I should be watching for? She doesn't have a cough or anything obvious now.
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