Breeding forum?

bearlasmom · 02-07-2007, 12:20 PM

I was wondering if anyone has ever though about starting a reproduction section on here so that those who havequestions about breeding or reproductive problems could ask their questions.

Just a thought.

I love this forum

sobreeze · 02-07-2007, 12:34 PM

breeder should already know the answers to most breeding ?s and if they dont they would be talking to there vets a forum for breeding would make it look like any one should be a breeder and we have enough folks that post that think they are breeders that dont even need to be a pet owner let a lone a breeder

DOBERMAN_07 · 02-07-2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sobreeze

breeder should already know the answers to most breeding ?s and if they dont they would be talking to there vets a forum for breeding would make it look like any one should be a breeder and we have enough folks that post that think they are breeders that dont even need to be a pet owner let a lone a breeder

How would they know if they never done it?

nrhareiner · 02-07-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sobreeze

breeder should already know the answers to most breeding ?s and if they dont they would be talking to there vets a forum for breeding would make it look like any one should be a breeder and we have enough folks that post that think they are breeders that dont even need to be a pet owner let a lone a breeder

I think this is a bit off.

First no one person can know everything about breeding. No one person can have experianced every situation. NOT EVEN A VET.

How do I know this? B/C as a breeder of horses which is no differnt then breeding dogs (done some but not as much as horses), cow ( which I have also bred for years), cats. There is always something new. There is always new ways of doing things. If this was not true then Vets would not take continuing educations corses. I would not continue to take continuing educations corses same as friends who have been breeding for over 40 years. If one person could now it all then why does my vet send her mare here to be bred? She is a good vet. She does some equine repo work however she knows that I do more and have the fusilities and continued educations and have acess to people who have been doing it for years. Dog are no differnt. If one person even a breeder who has been doing if for years may run into something they or even their vet has never run accorst. It does happen. I have seen it.

Heidi

Curbside Prophet · 02-07-2007, 02:59 PM

This is my opinion. I once had a history teacher tell our class that the internet is like the "bathroom wall of society". I didn't think much of this statement until one day in college when I was researching "absorption stripping". You can only imagine the wealth of information I found on the topic. Yes, I could weed through the information and find what I needed, but I could have better served my time calling a contact who dealt with absorption stripping on a daily basis. So the question becomes, what's more reliable, a source that lends itself easily to the porn business, or people who are actually in the field. With something as scientific as breeding, it should stay within the community that's most informed on it, vets, breeders, and breed clubs, and not be open to public manipulation or misinterpretation. If you really need information on breeding, and you're taking on that challenge, you should know where to find help outside of the internet. But that's just my opinion.

DOBERMAN_07 · 02-07-2007, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Curbside Prophet

This is my opinion. I once had a history teacher tell our class that the internet is like the "bathroom wall of society". I didn't think much of this statement until one day in college when I was researching "absorption stripping". You can only imagine the wealth of information I found on the topic. Yes, I could weed through the information and find what I needed, but I could have better served my time calling a contact who dealt with absorption stripping on a daily basis. So the question becomes, what's more reliable, a source that lends itself easily to the porn business, or people who are actually in the field. With something as scientific as breeding, it should stay within the community that's most informed on it, vets, breeders, and breed clubs, and not be open to public manipulation or misinterpretation. If you really need information on breeding, and you're taking on that challenge, you should know where to find help outside of the internet. But that's just my opinion.

thats deep

Wimble Woof · 02-07-2007, 03:55 PM

thats a great opinion Curbside Prophet!!!!!

nrhareiner · 02-07-2007, 04:58 PM

I do agree that the internet can be a poor place to get info. However it can also be a wealth of knowlage. I know when I had a problem with getting a mare infoal I talked to several friends who has a lot of good advice and over 100 years combined knowlage. I talked to my vet who had very little good info and what she gave was in large part incorect. I looked on the internet and found some very very good information. Now it was from a resurch groups and had very good stats on what they where perposing and it really did work for me.

Now that being said I am a member of may forums simular to this one. Someone on one of these forums who I know knows her stuff as she is 3rd generations breeder and breeds on a larger scale that what I do. However she dose not like to do the resurch I like do. she does not get into the technical part like I do, posted she needed info on a situation like what I had delt with the previous season. I told her what I did and where to find the info. B/C she was not scared to post and ask the question even of a forum she saved alot of time and effort and such.

Is this the best way to go about it? I can not say but to say that there is nothing that can be learned is missleading. If nothing more you can learn what not to do.

Heidi

MagicToller · 02-08-2007, 08:01 AM

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breeder should already know the answers to most breeding ?s and if they dont they would be talking to there vets a forum for breeding would make it look like any one should be a breeder and we have enough folks that post that think they are breeders that dont even need to be a pet owner let a lone a breeder

The idea was not for people to become breeders, but to have a place where people can ask questions and get helpful information on reproduction and whelping. Just because the source is on the internet, doesn't immediately discredit it. For those who are curious and would like to have some of their questions answered from breeders on the forum, it would be a nice place to start.

What should be stressed is that they shouldn't waltz off into the world of breeding with only a few threads of info (In comparison to the entire study and practice of breeding). It would be a very reactive forum, because arguments are bound to happen because of practices, BYB's, the "hybrid" breed situation, and showing.. but overall, it would concentrate the information about breeding so that people can learn as opposed to running out and breeding dogs without ANY info.

Dave|Xoxide · 02-09-2007, 09:23 AM

I'm working with the moderation team on how we are going to approach this as a forum. Before it goes up we all need to get on the same page and then present it to the forum members to get feeback and opinions.

I'll let you know what we come up with once it's complete. Thank you for everyone's input. Feel free to keep more suggestions coming our way.

britishbandit · 02-09-2007, 10:47 AM

I have mixed feelings on starting a breeding forum. It could be helpful, but at the same time I think it will only encourage people. I know sometimes accidents happen before a particlar person is educated on the responsibilities and risks of breeding, but then others know full well that they aren't doing this ethically and responsibly, and it's hard to answer their questions without feeling like by doing so, it is somehow supporting BYB. I honestly cannot see a reputable breeder coming here to ask questions, as they already know all about it. I actually feel quite sickened when someone comes on just days before a whelping is about to take place asking questions, completely clueless. If it really is an accident (which I think is VERY rare), or maybe someone has fostered a pregnant dog, I am more wiling to help, but I cannot say I am thrilled about helping anyone who waits till the last minute to learn. I also get irritated and upset by people that despite being advised that their dog isn't hasn't been proven breed worthy, and shouldn't be bred, do so anyway and them come crying for help.

I think if it is something that is added to the site, it's should come with "read me's" with sticky's at the top of the forum. One on BYB vs Reputable Breeder, risks and complications of mating/whelping/raising pups......etc. Maybe even adding something that states that the forum itself does not support BYB and puppymills, and for posters to expect questioning and comments (good or bad) on their breeding practices.
Obviously, these are just suggestions, but I think they would be appropriate to add should a breeding forum be started.

lawlady · 02-09-2007, 11:41 AM

I'm a member of a forum that is mainly breeders of Jack Russells. They are the MOST knowledgable people on showing, breeding, conformation, agility, gtg, etc, that i have ever spoken to. None are byb. There is also information on rescue organizations, as they themselves are heavily involved in that. Good, reputable breeders don't just breed. They have a wealth of knowledge that all dog owners can learn from. I see nothing wrong with a section for breeders, so long as advertising pups are forbidden. (reputable breeders wouldn't do that anyway.) And so long as it's not a 'how-to' section! The internet is a great way to connect with like-minded people.

Let me add...when i say 'wealth of knowledge' i don't mean just in breeding. Good breeders don't come onto websites to teach other's how to breed their dogs. I mean in all other areas of dog-ownership.

Curbside Prophet · 02-09-2007, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by lawlady

And so long as it's not a 'how-to' section! The internet is a great way to connect with like-minded people.

Let me add...when i say 'wealth of knowledge' i don't mean just in breeding. Good breeders don't come onto websites to teach other's how to breed their dogs. I mean in all other areas of dog-ownership.

Like minded? There in lies the problem as that would suggest excluding minds. I agree however that there should be a communal will, but it will never be like minded. And I agree that there are other aspects of dog ownership that people should be exposed to...this can be valuable.

lawlady · 02-09-2007, 12:12 PM

I see your point, but what is wrong with 'like-minded' people? What's this forum called.....oh yeah, dog forums...this forum excludes cat owners, bird owners, snake owners...simply by its name! Right? There may be a section on this forum to discuss your other pets, but lets face it, cat owners aren't going to come here to see if by chance there is a section for cat lovers! It promotes itself as a forum for dog owners, with a section for those who may happen to own other kinds of pets as well. So that is like-minded.

I just found this forum a few days ago, but have been active on other dog boards for quite some time. I like it here. This is the first board i check now, well, right after my jack russell board hehe...

Curbside Prophet · 02-09-2007, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by lawlady

I see your point, but what is wrong with 'like-minded' people? What's this forum called.....oh yeah, dog forums...this forum excludes cat owners, bird owners, snake owners...simply by its name! Right? There may be a section on this forum to discuss your other pets, but lets face it, cat owners aren't going to come here to see if by chance there is a section for cat lovers! It promotes itself as a forum for dog owners, with a section for those who may happen to own other kinds of pets as well. So that is like-minded.

I just found this forum a few days ago, but have been active on other dog boards for quite some time. I like it here. This is the first board i check now, well, right after my jack russell board hehe...

Actually, there are many cat owners on our board and none of them have been refused to join, but maybe I'm taking your words too literally. This may be a dog forum, but even among dog owners no two members can fully agree on how a dog should be treated. So although we're all here for the same reason, we're not all here with the same reasoning. I would imagine that even among reputable breeders, no two have the same view of dog breeding. You could have one conformation breeder speaking with a trial breeder and they both would have different views of their breeding program. That's my point, and maybe I've read too much into what like-minded means to me.

lawlady · 02-09-2007, 12:43 PM

It's a good thing you don't refuse cat owners here, because i have a beautiful cat named Courtney that we adopted nine years ago from the Humane Society!!!

I think you're reading too much into my use of 'like-minded'. Maybe a better choice of thought would be 'common denominator'. Does that sit better?

***but even among dog owners no two members can fully agree on how a dog should be treated. So although we're all here for the same reason, we're not all here with the same reasoning.***

Exactly. And sometimes we learn from each other.

Without getting too deep into a 'breeding' discussion...one should always consider conformation when breeding, among many other things. With jacks, which is what i have, too big or too small and they may not be able to do the job they were originally bred to do, which is gtg.

Snowshoe · 02-09-2007, 07:04 PM

In my experience, I've not ever seen a breeding forum go well. You are always going to have the responsible people vs. the oopsie group.

In my old breed specific forum, we had the whelping ground. That part of the forum was the reason that my old forum broke up. Obviously, this site is probably better funded (you actually have sponsors and don't depend on member donations), but still.

Once certain members got fed up with the responsible breeders telling them how breeding should be done, they went and actually started another forum especially for the back yard breeders.

Sad.

So, I guess that due to my past experiences, I think that IF you all do decide to have one, that it will have to be watched very carefully. While it CAN provide lots of information, it can also provide a great haven for people who like to flame, and the trolls that fuel the fire.

Another aspect to take in to question is the knowledge base of the people who are going to be providing the answers to the posts. In my old forum, almost everyone showed, and those that did also bred. All of the answers we got were backed by years of experience in a specific breed.

In this forum, you could have posts about chow chow puppies, Chinese crested puppies, you name it. Plus, you guys don't seem to have a large base of posters who do show and/ or title their dogs in other ways.

In my opinion, only vets and very experienced breeders should be giving advice about whelping, especially due to the volume of different breeds you have in here. Personally, I wouldn't want to be held liable if someone took some bad, or misguided advice provided on a forum. However, I guess that could also hold true to the dog health forum you have already established.

Some people will never agree that dog breeding should be taking very seriously, and always with the best interests of the breed in question to heart.

I wish you luck.

lawlady · 02-10-2007, 09:24 AM

Snowshoe, that is very true. The forum i am a part of is sponsored by the American Jack Russell Terrier Association, which is one of the reasons why you don't see byb's on there--there are not very many people on there that don't breed/show/agility/gtg etc. It's all professionals. It may be harder on this forum to regulate a breeder's section since it is not breed exclusive. I wouldn't want it to become a place for debate, but rather would like it to be a place to learn from other EXPERIENCED, PROVEN breeders. Not a place for byb's.

No, i am not a breeder, but it is something i would like to investigate more (still a lot to learn). I'm a few years away from even attempting it.

nrhareiner · 02-11-2007, 10:31 AM

I am going to add this and you all can take it for what it is worth.

First I do find vets usefull. However you really need to know what you are asking too. If you get some info on a forum from other breeders/owners and the net even if it is just general info. Then ask the vet you will have an idea of what the vet is telling you is correct or the whole story. or if you need to find a vet who specializes in this problem.

Form personal experinace I have found that vets can and often are wrong or do not give you all the info needed as they just do not know when it comes to thing outside the norm. Mostly b/c just like human Drs. they either are general practisioners or specialist.

I think very highly of all the vets I use. However I do not ask or use my one large animal vet for any of my Large animal repo needs outside of getting scrips from her. She has been wrong too many times. Even though she had done some large animal breeding and is a large animal and small animal vet she is not a repo specialist. I have found this true of many vets. They are good for the average problem however if you have a specific need you need to know enough to either ask the correct questions and hopefully they will find out for you or get you in touch with a vet who can or you need to know you vet is out of their element and find a specialist.

Heidi

britishbandit · 02-11-2007, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by nrhareiner

I am going to add this and you all can take it for what it is worth.

First I do find vets usefull. However you really need to know what you are asking too. If you get some info on a forum from other breeders/owners and the net even if it is just general info. Then ask the vet you will have an idea of what the vet is telling you is correct or the whole story. or if you need to find a vet who specializes in this problem.

Form personal experinace I have found that vets can and often are wrong or do not give you all the info needed as they just do not know when it comes to thing outside the norm. Mostly b/c just like human Drs. they either are general practisioners or specialist.

I think very highly of all the vets I use. However I do not ask or use my one large animal vet for any of my Large animal repo needs outside of getting scrips from her. She has been wrong too many times. Even though she had done some large animal breeding and is a large animal and small animal vet she is not a repo specialist. I have found this true of many vets. They are good for the average problem however if you have a specific need you need to know enough to either ask the correct questions and hopefully they will find out for you or get you in touch with a vet who can or you need to know you vet is out of their element and find a specialist.

Heidi

Again, I assume you are talking about horses, which not all vets see a heck of a lot of, especially those who run offices that gear more to dog and cat needs. Vet's may not be great at suggesting good food to use, but they sure do (in my experience), know plenty about health related issues, including breeding. And if for some reason they don't personally know, they will direct you to a breeder who does, or aquire some information for you.