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Old 02-11-2007, 01:34 PM   #21
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Again, I assume you are talking about horses, which not all vets see a heck of a lot of, especially those who run offices that gear more to dog and cat needs. Vet's may not be great at suggesting good food to use, but they sure do (in my experience), know plenty about health related issues, including breeding. And if for some reason they don't personally know, they will direct you to a breeder who does, or aquire some information for you.
I am talking about both. Each of my large animal vets have a large practice with large animals especially horses. However they are not specialist is any one aspect of anything. They are what I would conseder general practisioners. Great of your animal needs the basics. However when I have a specific need in repo, legs or something like that I go to a specialist. Does not matter if it is a large animal like a horse or a small animal like a dog or cat. Which I also own quite a few of so I do know what I am talking about there too. Fortunitly I am close enough to vet schools like OSU and MSU that I have access to these specialists. When I had a specfic problem with one of my horses last fall I pulled blood work and took it into my vet. She sent the blood out and when the results came back she diagnosed my horse as having something it was inposible for him to have. SO I called the head vet as OSU who has seen this type of thing quite a bit and got his oppion and he agreed with me that there was no way the horse could have that.

I have had the same thing with small animals over the years and have found for a general problem the every day vets are great. However when you run into a biger more specialized problem they may not be able to help. This is where it is a good idea for the owner to really try to get as much info as posible and if that is asking questions on a forum that is a good place to start. It may not be the correct answer or the best answeer but at least it is a place to start when asking questions of the vet so you can get as much info as problem. If you do not know something exists then you can not ask a question about it. You will have to hope your vet is right. In my experiance sometimes they are sometimes they are not.

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I am so totally getting irritated by you constantly comparing dogs to horses. They are not the same, and in MOST places, vets who specialize in horses don't have the knowledge that vets that specialize in small animals have regarding small animals.

The only reason I continue to respond to your posts is to inform people that I totally disagree with you comparing dogs related concerns to horses. Next thing ya know you'll be posting pics of your dogs wearing saddles.

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I am going to add this and you all can take it for what it is worth.

First I do find vets usefull. However you really need to know what you are asking too. If you get some info on a forum from other breeders/owners and the net even if it is just general info. Then ask the vet you will have an idea of what the vet is telling you is correct or the whole story. or if you need to find a vet who specializes in this problem.

Form personal experinace I have found that vets can and often are wrong or do not give you all the info needed as they just do not know when it comes to thing outside the norm. Mostly b/c just like human Drs. they either are general practisioners or specialist.

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Heidi,

You seem like you are quite experienced with animals. However, (and maybe you don't read the dog health forum often) the posters who utilize that forum are in my opinion, ignorant. Please don't read that as "stupid." Ignorant connotates a lack of education, rather then a lack of intelligence.

Coming on to a general dog forum to ask for medical advice often also illustrates a certain lack of common sense, especially when some of the questions could potentially turn out very badly for the poor dogs involved.

The key is that anyone here can give advice; however, probably none but 2 that I can think of have any experience in dog medical care.

This forum does not have a strong base of experienced breeders who are responsible.

Perhaps YOU would be able to differentiate between good breeding advice and bad. And, if you can, I think that's really awesome.

My point, however, is that most people who come on here asking for advice won't be able to make that distinction.
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My point which you seem to be missing is that vets are not the end all be all that people think they are. They are good to have however just b/c my vet tells my one thing I still may go looking to get anouther vets oppion depending on the problem. I may also ask other dog owners who I know if they have heard of anyone having the same problem.

Also when it comes down to it horses dogs and just about every other animal have many things incomon. What applies to one in gerneral will apply to others. However unless you have sent many many years dealing with many other types of animals you may not see this. There may be technical differnces however the theroies are the same.

If you look at the conformation of a horse and a dog they are very close. They work the same way there are many many simularities on form to function. Again if you have not studied horse conformation and their form to function and that of most breed of dogs you would not see that either.

As for putting a saddle on one of my dogs. If they could slide 35 feet then I just may do it. However, they are not built to do that as some horse are not built to do that either. Again form to function.

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Heidi,

You seem like you are quite experienced with animals. However, (and maybe you don't read the dog health forum often) the posters who utilize that forum are in my opinion, ignorant. Please don't read that as "stupid." Ignorant connotates a lack of education, rather then a lack of intelligence.

Coming on to a general dog forum to ask for medical advice often also illustrates a certain lack of common sense, especially when some of the questions could potentially turn out very badly for the poor dogs involved.

The key is that anyone here can give advice; however, probably none but 2 that I can think of have any experience in dog medical care.

This forum does not have a strong base of experienced breeders who are responsible.

Perhaps YOU would be able to differentiate between good breeding advice and bad. And, if you can, I think that's really awesome.

My point, however, is that most people who come on here asking for advice won't be able to make that distinction.

I agree that most people who breed are ingorant. Heck I have been breeding ofr over a decade and I still take coninuing education course in that area. I have found that forums while not the best place to get advice I do still learn things. Sometimes it is what not to do as someone may post and say "Hay I have this problem and I talked to my vet and he/she says this or that what do you all think has this happened to anyone here. Most of the time someone here or on a forum will say yep I have had a simular problem is this is what happened and what I did and what caused it. Now non of that would be medical advice nor these 2 things may end up being differnt. However, by just reading that may get someone ealse thinking or if it happends to them they will have an idea where to start.

Is this the best place to get advice. Maybe maybe not. However I bet everyone here has had something happen to one of their dogs that someone ealse has never heard of and what was done about it.

I can give many examples of things that I have heard storries of and how it was handled then have it happen to me at some point. Heck one of those storries saved my life and the lives of 12 other poeple one time. Was the storry told by a pro at that insident? Nop it was told by a person who has lived it.

Sometimes it is just storries that can be told that can educate people on things you would not even have thought about.

Heidi

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Well... I am new to this forum and I was going to ask some questions about breeding my male yorkie out but I suppose this isn't the place for it.
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I starting to see that if we can't even decide how we want to moderate such a forum. Since everyone has a different expectation from a breeding section, that this is not the best option for this forum at this time.

Until the site is able to bring in a group of experts that specialize in breeding. I'm going to refrain from moving forward with a breeding forum.

Still, thank you to everyone for stating your opinions and ideas.
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