Ivomec Dosage for Mange

jboboxer

I was going to buy "Ivomec 1 % Solution - 50 ml" from kvvets.com that's selling for under 40 dollars to treat my dogs mange.

My dog was treated for manage a month or so ago and cleared up and now seems to have a relapse and now it's more of a localized red mange compared to generalized before.

My last vet was just giving her the ivomec shots every week, so I can't see why I can't do this myself.

I just want to be sure about the dosage I'm giving is correct. The only thing I found online was this article that says for red mange to inject 1/10 cc of Ivomec per 10 lbs once a week
http://www.beaglesunlimited.com/beag...ecticmange.htm

Willowy

Call your vet to ask about the dosage. That's not something you really want to guess at.

cshellenberger

Call your vet, the dog needs to be weighed so the dosage can be figured out.

jboboxer

I've been having a lot of bad experience with vets lately or I would, but right now I'm still searching for a decent vet.
I know how much she weighs and I know it's accurate, because I was taking my dog into the vet once a week and weighing her at home first and then at the vet and the weight was exactly the same. So I know my scale is as accurate as the vet.

I was going to give her 1/10 a ML per 10 pounds orally once a week. I've seen many people say they do 1/10 a ml per 10 pounds daily, but that just seems like it's too much.

AmStaffsMum

If it's demodectic mange...your dog needed treatment for about 3 months...not 1, so that's maybe why it came back. The dosage that I've been given for demodectic mange is 3/10 mL per 11 lbs daily....this is an oral dose. However, if it's sarcoptic mange the dosage is only 2/10mL per 11 lbs twice a week for 1 - 2 months. These two types of mange are different...now, I don't know what breed of dog you have, but some breeds react more strongly to ivermectin than others...if you have a herding dog, or some other breeds, you'd have to cut way back on this dose for it to be safe. Good luck, and be careful.

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jboboxer

Thanks for the help/info. It's a demodex mange and it's a boxer and she's been on ivomec shots before and it was about 10 weeks all together, which i do agree I don't think she was on them long enough, but my vet was persistant on trying other things that didn't work.

3/10 ml per 11 pounds seems kind of high doesn't it especially if it's daily? How long did you do this daily? The reason it seems high is that I know for heartworm prevention it's 1/10ml per 10 pounds once a month. Your doing 3 times the strength and doing it daily instead of monthly. I can understand that to treat mange it should be much higher, but that just seems really high.

What I have seen is this or similar dosage recommendation
"Ivermectin daily at 200 to 600 mcg/kg until 3 negative skin scrapes is another option."
petplace.com/dogs/demodicosis-red-mange-in-dogs/page1.aspx

The problem is that it's mcg, which I'm not 100% sure if converting micrograms into millileters is solid. I read somewhere the ivomecrtrin is 1ml per 1mg, but not 100% if this is true. The weight of kg to gram at 2.2 is easy, but I'm not sure if anybody know if the 200 to 600 mcg can be converted into ml or cc

One thing I can't seem to understand is if there's a difference in giving a shot or giving it orally? My old vet was giving her a shot once a week with the dosage I'm not sure about, but it was once a week. Had no side effects and was working great. The beagle unlimited website has this for demodex mange

beaglesunlimited.com/beaglehealth_demodecticmange.htm

"I administer a subcutaneous (under the skin) injection at the back of the neck, consisting of 1/10 cc of Ivomec for cattle per 10 lbs of Beagle body weight. I give one shot every seven days for 3 consecutive doses. Explained differently, that is one shot, wait 7 days, give a second shot, wait 7 more days, and then give a third shot. This is a very effective treatment for both mange mites and ear mites"

What's strange is that it talks about giving a shot once a week as my vet was doing, but then at the end of that paragraph it says
"NOTE: This treatment is a liquid medication that is given orally and attacks the mites from the inside out. "

I'd prefer to give my dog the liquid orally to be honest, so I'm wondering if I can follow this schedule or if daily is required?

AmStaffsMum

I've never used ivermectin for treatment of demodectic mange, but the dosage I gave you came from a vet....I know that if you use too low of a dosage, it will not be effective for the mange. 1/10 mL/11 lb is actually the intestinal worming dosage....the heartworm dose is much less.

You can also use Revolution to treat it, but I suspect that would be more expensive.

http://www.critturs.com/mange7.html

This site quotes the "The Pill Book Guide to Medication for your Dog and Cat"

and says .27 cc/1 lb daily for 90 days....even higher than the dose I was told.

these are the numbers that I have:

Heartworm dose (monthly): .1 cc/ 100 lb
Intestinal worming dose (monthly): .1cc/11 lb.
Mange dose (daily for 3 months): 3 times worming dose, or .3cc/11 lb or 1 cc/35 lb. or 300 mcg/lb

I use the cattle ivermectin for my dogs for heartworm/intestinal parasites monthly at the .1 cc/11 lb dose regularly...have never had issues with it.

jboboxer

The link you posted has it in grams, not litters, so it is my understanding that ivomec has 1ml that equals 1mg?

If I have a 33 pound dog and use what dosage your saying that would be .90cc a day. Using .27 per pound means a 33 pound dog would need 8.91cc per day........... I really think my dog would be dead the exact same day. I mean almost 9 mL per day seems insane to me.

I've read never go above even .7CC and that link is recommending 8.91ml?

Here's most of the posts that I read and did a clt+F on the word mange, since there's so much discussion
http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/...514016840.html

Billh

I also found the beagle breeder's advice for demodectic mange on the Internet and was also confused as to whether he was describing 1/10 cc per 10 lbs for oral or injected treatments. If he means injections, that seems small compared to some other recommendations.

I visited a farm store today looking for demodectic mange treatment advice, and I was lucky enough to meet a man working there who has treated many farm animals and dogs with ivermectin, apparently professionally.

He didn't offer me a specific lbs-to-cc formula, but when I told him I have an almost-grown Golden Retriever mix pup (which happens to be 30 lbs), he recommended 2 cc of ivermectin 1% solution as an injection.

He was specific on that. We had talked a while about demodectic mange, sarcoptic mange and other dog ailments. At one point he had mentioned a 0.5 cc dose, and when I later asked if that for demodectic mange, he said no, a 0.5 dose treats heartworms and sarcoptic, but demodectic mange requires a much higher dose -- 2cc.

So I'm going back tomorrow to get some ivermectin, and to confirm again the 2 cc dose. If he misunderstood and thought I have a full-grown 50-lb dog, 2 cc is too much for my 30-lb pup. But 1-2 cc seems to be in the ballpark.

By the way -- he said that ivermectin and Collies don't mix at all. If anyone is looking for advice on how to treat a Collie, they should definitely avoid home treatments with ivermectin and see a vet instead, if not for treatment then at least for sound advice.

Billh

Well, I went back to the farm store and now the man says he never actually gave a dog 2 cc of ivermectin, but he gave a pigeon that much and the pigeon wasn't harmed.

So there ya go.

But he has used ivermectin on dogs and cattle and other animals. He doesn't believe that 2 cc will hurt a 30 pound dog.

I may go with 1.5 cc.

jboboxer

The dosage by shot is different than orally. I went to a few vet books and a few posts and read as much as possible.
The shot is once a week, while orally is daily and the dosage is different.

Typical dose is 200-600 mcg/kg by mouth every 24 hours.
http://www.petplace.com/dogs/demodic...ogs/page4.aspx

I am curretnly doing 300 mcg/kg of the 1%, but I didn't start off with that high. So take the dog's weight in pounds and divide it by 2.2 and then mulitple it by 0.3
So a 40 pound dog would get .03 * 40/2.2 = 0.55C

So a 40 pound dog should get at max 0.55C

I ordered the 1% ivomec from amazon, then went to walgreens and they gave me the 1CC syringe (no needle). The first 3 days I gave her 0.1, then next 3 days 0.2, then the next 3 days 0.3.... etc until I got up to 0.5cc

The total time is about 6 weeks, then do it weekly and at 8 weeks you should do a skin scrapping.

I would just read as much as possible before taking any advise on using ivomec, because I have read posts after posts on other boards of dogs going into commas, seizure or even death.

I've read even Vets who have over dosed dogs, so I would be very careful with ivomec. The best thing I do was probably go to http://books.google.com and open vet book after vet book and when you can get 3 to 4 vets recommending the same dosage your pretty safe. Just don't confuse oral dosage with injections, because the dosage is very differnt.
You can even see humans who get injections of B12 versus taking it orally, the dosage is completely differnt. The other mistake I believe people are making is referring to numbers like 0.4 of the syringe, not indicating that a syringe can be 10ml, 5ml, 3ml or 1ml or anything in between.

ptoot

On a totally different tangent.....have you tried non-medicinal methods for treating the mange?I personally had very good success with Selsun Blue shampoo(from wal mart). I also just heard last night on a radio program with Dr. Marty Goldstein that 80-90% of animals that he has treated with Selsun(its a prescription version available from most pharmacies) has gotten rid of the mange.Just an idea to throw out there

jboboxer

Selsun comes over the counter at 1% concentration and requires a prescription if it's the 2.5% concentration if I'm not mistaken. I'm a little bit confused if you used the over the counter or prescription version of selsun blue?

I've tried so many natural things and sulphur does seem to be an ingredient that works amazing. Neem oil does not have the effect or results that people I've seen have been claiming. Nu-stock with is loaded in sulpur works great, sulfur pills have been working great and I see selsun has sulfur as one of it's ingredients, so seems like it might be something to try and see how it works.

I appreciate the suggestion and I'll give it a try as well to see how things work out with it.

ptoot

You are right I personally used the selsum blue and it worked well for me.The other selsun I mentioned is a prescription because of the higher percentage.
The one from wal mart also has ketazole(sp?) which is a great helps as well.I found this info in a husky breeder site.My husky had lost approx 80% of her fur...now its re grown in about 3 months

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