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Old 10-27-2008, 09:24 PM   #1
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Health Scare for Mac Mac!!!!!!

I'd like to share this with you just in case you every have or know someone who goes through this. Sorry, it's kind of long..but worth it.

Yesterday, I took Mac'n'Roe for a hike at a park (just 10 min) from my house that I just found out about (lots of trails..i'm so psyched). They had a blast. When I got home, I noticed that Mac looked tired and his faced seemed ... um different...although I couldn't put my finger on it. 5 minutes later I realized that he had his mouth open, which he typically doesn't do. He was slobbering more than usual, leaving his mouth open, and his eyes seemed a little droopy. I began to worry a little, but just watched him closely. As the nite progressed, I became increasingly worried. Mac had a trouble eating and his mouth was still open (hours later). I thought perhaps he was having an allergic reaction and just couldn't breathe through his nose..so was breathing through his mouth instead. I called th e-vet..but they couldn't diagnose over the phone. Because he was breathing normally, had eaten, I decided to monitor him through the night and take him to the vet in the morning (there's an e-vet within 10 min. of my house).

Just before bedtime, I noticed he was drinking...a LOT and leaving a lot of slobber in the bowl. Drooling EVERYWHERE. He slept with me...just in case. I gave him a benadryl in the morning, as things hadn't really improved (except the eyes).

I took him to the vet this morning. He was breathing fine through the nose..The vet asked me if he had experienced and physical trauma yesterday. I was shocked at this question. No. She felt the lymph nodes..and I'm sure some other things I didn't notice. I was starting to get a little nervous at this point. I thought she was going to say, oh..he's got a cold. Here's some antibiotic.

So, she suggested they take xrays of his jaw/head. Of course, whatever needs to be done Nothing. So, she suggested taking them to an orthopedist. At this point...I'm flipping out. Of course, whatever we need to do to make him better. I dropped the films to an orthopedic surgeon. and worried all afternoon.

I got a call around 6 from my vet. The orthopedist didn't find anything (fractures, breaks, dislocations or anything. BUT, he did some research and it just happened that a vet tech of his was actually going through this same thing with her dog. He faxed her a bunch of information (for free it seems) and came up with some different possibilities..but one was especially interesting. It's very rare...and we think it's a disease called trigeminal neuritis. Symptoms are a acute onset of the dropped jaw, no pain associated with the condition, trouble eating/drinking..which is what is going on with him. There aren't any known causes, diagnosis would consist of tissue biopsies and a bunch of other stuff that would probably cost me a fortune. The treatment...nothing. It should get better on its own in 1-9 weeks. Hopefully. I'm also going to do some other tests tomorrow just to rule out some other thing as well (tick borne diseases, and something else I can't remember the name of). Just to make sure.

In the meantime, I have to ensure he gets his nutrients..which may become difficult. I think food should be okay (messy..but doable). Its the hydration I'm worried about. He's trying to drink a LOT... I hand fed him tonight and I've tried administering water with a water bottle and turkey baster. It's messy...but he's trying. I hope he gets better. Soon.

Here's a video of what he looks like...





It's kind of hard to tell in these. I'll try to get some more video/pictures for you guys. Thanks for listening!!!
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Old 10-27-2008, 09:31 PM   #2
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Re: Health Scare for Mac Mac!!!!!!

Wish I had some great advice for ya
since I don't I'm sending tons of get well soon vibes to Mac..hope he feels better ASAP
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Re: Health Scare for Mac Mac!!!!!!

Oh WOW! I hate when things happen right after you do something because it always makes you think it was related to what you just did!

I'm so sorry BigMac(hehe) has to go through that! I was thinking, maybe get a sponge, and sponge water into his mouth.. may be a little easier than a turkey baster.

PLEASE keep us updated on his progress. Does he seem to be in any pain? or is it just like reverse lockjaw?
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Old 10-27-2008, 09:39 PM   #4
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Re: Health Scare for Mac Mac!!!!!!

aawww poor baby - hope he gets better soon... xoxo
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Re: Health Scare for Mac Mac!!!!!!

He doesn't appear to be in any pain. which is good.
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Old 10-27-2008, 09:45 PM   #6
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Re: Health Scare for Mac Mac!!!!!!

Ah, sweet baby Mac. I wish I had some advice. I'll be thinking about you....
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Re: Health Scare for Mac Mac!!!!!!

MACCCCCCCCCCCcc baby boyyyyy.. you are gunna get better... tomorrow.. I can feel it..
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Re: Health Scare for Mac Mac!!!!!!

{{{{{{{{{{{HHHHHHUUUUUGGGGGSSSSS}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} out to Mac (NRoe to) and you for a quick solution to this problem.
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Old 10-27-2008, 10:47 PM   #9
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Oh WOW! I hate when things happen right after you do something because it always makes you think it was related to what you just did!

I'm so sorry BigMac(hehe) has to go through that! I was thinking, maybe get a sponge, and sponge water into his mouth.. may be a little easier than a turkey baster.

PLEASE keep us updated on his progress. Does he seem to be in any pain? or is it just like reverse lockjaw?
hehe...i know. I definitely thought it was because of the hike...the sponge sounds like a good idea...but don't they have stuff in them..even when they are new??? looks like bottle water is working. Seems a lot like lock jaw..but he just cant close it. no pain. i hope he's better soon.

Thanks everyone for your support!!!!!
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Poor guy! Get well soon!
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Poor Guy--thanks for the update--Otis and Ella send big hugs and kisses and lots of good vibes your way!!! Hoping for a quick recovery!
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Hope Mac gets to feeling better soon! We'll be thinking of you guys.
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Re: Health Scare for Mac Mac!!!!!!

Oh..poor Mac! We hope he gets better soon. There is nothing worse than one of your "furkids" hurt or sick...We'll say a prayer.

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Re: Health Scare for Mac Mac!!!!!!

Thanks everyone.

As for an update. We went to the vet today for a tic panel for Rickettsial vasculitis (lyme disease, rocky mountain spotted fever and one other tick borne disease) and Neospora caninum. These were listed as some potential differential dianoses that were a possibility...although trigeminal neuritis seems the most likely diagnosis..I wanted to rule out any other possibilities.

Day 2...Mac still has a dropped jaw. I'm hand feeding him, so he's getting in food. Water intake is my main concern. He's thirsty a lot due to the mouth open constantly. And, he's having trouble getting water in I'm sure. I'm using a water bottle..1 liter he usually gets about 1/4 of it down. the rest falls out into the bowl. He's head shy of the turkey baster..I'm going to try a regular syringe and do it that way I think. Ice cubes too should work well.
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Old 10-28-2008, 03:46 PM   #15
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Re: Health Scare for Mac Mac!!!!!!

I'm glad to hear that he is still hanging in there.
So the results will be back when? What does the veterinarian say about how long he has until its too much to take? Does he seemed stressed? Poor Mac Mac... You all are in our thoughts!
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Re: Health Scare for Mac Mac!!!!!!

You probably have searched the internet for more info, but just in case you didn't see this, I thought maybe this page would be of interest. It is some kind of archived conversation that includes a contribution by a dog owner who's pup had trigeminal neuritis. He mentions some hydration techniques should it be necessary and also discusses steriods as sometimes being of help.

Best to you and your fellow -- I hope he's back to his old self quickly.



http://pet.justanswer.com/vet/yt3t-trigeminal-neuritis
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Re: Health Scare for Mac Mac!!!!!!

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I'm glad to hear that he is still hanging in there.
So the results will be back when? What does the veterinarian say about how long he has until its too much to take? Does he seemed stressed? Poor Mac Mac... You all are in our thoughts!
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I think one of the tests the results are back in like 48 hours..the other longer. Honestly, I forgot to ask today, as I'm 98% sure its trigeminal neuritis and these were tests to rule out these other possibilities. I forgot to ask..I'll check tomorrow. He doesn't seem too stressed. He doesn't have quite as much energy it seems. Since he's not in pain, there wouldn't really be a 'too much'. Typically it goes away on its own in a few weeks (1-3) and sometimes longer (up to 9 weeks). RARELY it's permanent, but if it is, it can be dealt with. My major concern right now is fluid intake.

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You probably have searched the internet for more info, but just in case you didn't see this, I thought maybe this page would be of interest. It is some kind of archived conversation that includes a contribution by a dog owner who's pup had trigeminal neuritis. He mentions some hydration techniques should it be necessary and also discusses steriods as sometimes being of help.

Best to you and your fellow -- I hope he's back to his old self quickly.



http://pet.justanswer.com/vet/yt3t-trigeminal-neuritis
Thanks bearjing..I did see this article last night and found it very helpful. We decided not to use the steroid treatment, articles in the veterinarian database say that steroid treatment doesn't 'appear to enhance or shorten recovery'. Plus, Mac has mange and the steroids would compromise his immune system ...not worth it in my opinion . Good points...and just wanted to clarify why we decided not to go in this direction.

I did express my concern of the water intake...i'm going to watch his hydration level and if we see issues I'll talk with her about administering subcutaneous fluids.

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Re: Health Scare for Mac Mac!!!!!!

Steriods scare me too, and especially if the vet database indicates it doesn't even work... no way!
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Gosh, how scary!!! I have no advice, but you have well wishes from Indiana coming your way.
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My thoughts are w/you, Mac Mac and Roe. Hopefully he will get back to normal soon. "Can you feel the luuuvv Mac?"
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