56 Days Pregnant

Bings · 01-20-2007, 07:59 AM

We had another good night with our female. The panting and agitation of a few nights ago has not returned yet. Also still no signs of nesting. Day 58 and we are thrilled to have made it to another day. Keeping the house quiet and calm. Hard to do with 3 teenagers!!! One teen has gymnastics this morning so I will be away for about 3 hours. After that I am home all weekend.

She is still just nibbling at food all day long, but is showing no loss of energy or ill effects from it. Was sitting here a minute ago, wagging tail and happy.

Husband just got out of bed so both dogs are sucking up to him for thier morning outing. Our male dog walks the fenceline of our property each morning looking for new smells to roll in. YUCK!!! Deer, bear, skunk, ratcoon. He found something gross the other morning. Oh my god, the smell!!! While the male finds gross smells the female, who is more active, just runs and plays. May take 5 minutes, may take 30. But neither will come inside until the male has made it all the way around the property and then gone poop.

The male has been very whinny the past few days. They are a very close pair. I think he "know" something is about to happen.

I will continue to keep everyone updated. Thank you so much for the kind words. Leila, they mean a lot. They help. :-)

Bings

Leila12345666 · 01-20-2007, 09:04 AM

Ok thanks so much i cant wait to see thise cuties! By the way what breed are they?

Bings · 01-21-2007, 08:20 AM

Leila, They are Golden Retrievers.

Another good day and night for our female. At this point she is holding up better than I am.

You can see that she is getting a little agitated, a little restless. Showing small signs of nesting. She goes go her bed, walks around in tight circles, scratches at the bedding, lays down, gets up walks around in circles, scratches at the bedding, lays back down. Constantly cleaning herself. Drinking a lot of water. Nibbling at food all day long. Hasn't lost any of her normal energy sence her eating habits changed so we are no longer concerned that she isn't eating enough.

Will keep everyone posted.

Bings

Leila12345666 · 01-21-2007, 10:08 AM

Ok so far so good then

I cant really wait to see pics! Will you post pictures please?

mistyinca · 01-21-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bings

Almost EVERYTHING Britishbandit posted I know already. But sometimes you can get great little pieces of advice from one person that another person may not mention. For instance, the "booger sucker" (nasal asperator) is very good advice my friend didn't mention although she may have one. I'm simply the type of person who values a second, third or even forth oppinion. You can learn so much from others if they would be more willing to share than to critsize.

I am confused as to what you are trying to do here. Are you simply asking for help so you can throw it back in another's face and say "ha ha, I already knew that."?

Then you want more information?

FranMan · 02-15-2007, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by britishbandit

I interviewed numerous couples and families who were interested in a pup, and found 9 of them awesome homes by 10 weeks of age (and started interviewing and keeping in touch with these people long before that). It was a difficult process, and I declined about 10 people that came, and at least another 10 before an interview had even taken place, they just weren't the kinds of people I wanted these puppies going to, which was my choice. And glad to have went with my gut, as somebody (I can only assume it was one of the people I declined, tried to steal PJ from out of my yard during this time, and nobody in their right minds would approach my dogs at the gate unless they had previously met them). I also aided the chosen owners in which puppy was best suited for them, which turned out excellent and they all agreed that I knew the pups better than they did and whatever I decided was fine with them, in a few cases, the pup they had singled out was the pup I would've chosen for them (and a good thing too or they wouldn't have got one of the pups). I also stated that since there had been no genetic testing done on Tysa and PJ (beside unofficial hips on Tysa), that once PJ turned 2, I would have them both tested and send each owner copies of the results. Obviously this should be done prior to any breeding, but under the circumstances, for my peronal records, there was no rush (and PJ was not yet 2).......but something I feel the new owners had a right to know and if anything tested poorly, they would at least have an idea of what to expect, watch for or try to prevent in future with their new pup. Each and every one of them knew the situation, knew the pups weren't planned, but also respected how seriously I was handling it. Each pup went away with enough food to last them the first week, or for the new owners to mix in with a new food, collars and leashes, a few toys (of the 50 or so I had bought for them), record books and proof of shots/deworming, and handouts in a folder (which ended up looking like a book) I had typed up from scratch on Rottweiler breed information, a list of how to determine a quality dog food (which I also listed "the good, the bad and the ugly" brands, as well as info on RAW feeding), what to expect during the growing stages of a pup/young dog, advice and info on teething, training........put it this way, everything I could think of that may be of use and help.

I had also decided to keep one of the pups, that's where Maya came from, but I also still have Maya's sister who I've named (for now), "Cinder". Cinder's search for a forever home was put to a halt when Tysa was spayed just before Christmas, as Tysa didn't need to have to deal with people coming and going while she was recovering. And I was in no rush to place Cinder. I've just started the process again (the pups are now 15 weeks, today actually). And until that right person/family comes along, she will remain as part of this family. As for Maya, she is setting up to become a Therapy Dog. I have all the infomation and contacts ready, but we cannot start this until she turns a year of age. In the meantime, we are working hard on training and socialization (both her and Cinder).

So yes, in all honestly, I can be labelled a BYB, a title I am not proud of in the least. I do feel this was my fault to this day, despite the fact I was not the one who bred my dogs. (and how sick that makes me just typing it). However, this will not stop me stating my opinion or feeling guilty for doing so. To some it may sound hypocritical, and you're entitled to your own opinions also. If anything, this experience has given me all the more reason to want to educate and promote ethical and responsible breeding. Tysa is now spayed, PJ is getting neutered sometime in March/April (before Maya is old enough to go into heat), and this isn't something that will ever happen again. I have no interest in breeding, and feel this should be left in the hands of those people I admire and respect so highly for breeding to a standard that they take very seriously. I have volunteered at my local humane society for over a year now, an my heart lies in rescue. Well on top of my pets, which of course have embedded thier awesome selves into my heart also. My dream one day is to become a professional dog trainer and behaviorist, and start my own rescue. Whether I am able to make it all the way there or not, I don't know, but no harm in thinking big. If not a rescue of my own, I will do the same thing, just on a smaller scale. I want to take in these "problem dogs" that would otherwise be euthanized due to "behavioral' issues, or those that have just never had any training, and are "too wild" to adopt out. Work with them, and try to save as many from being euthanized as I possibly can. Even being the ethical and responsible breeder I preach about, I would still feel guilty for bringing more dogs into this world when there are already so many in shelters. And I'm not saying those who do it right have anything to be ashamed of, NOT IN THE LEAST! I applaud their efforts, and highly respect them. It's the BYB's and puppymills that are the reason there are so many "unwanted" dogs. And yes, I'm now guilty of having added to the problem, which I can only try and rectify from here on out.

So how much did you sell the puppies for?

britishbandit · 02-15-2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FranMan

So how much did you sell the puppies for?

Well that really is none of your business. Damn, no wonder you've been banned from so many other sites, you are truly ignorant. You should know full well everything that happened concerning the pups, you were a member of ROL and saw all of my posts and concerns. And like you are doing here, you caused problems there too with your bad attitude and got the boot. Put it this way, I didn't even break even on the costs of raising the litter. Now go crawl back into the hole you came from.

FranMan · 02-15-2007, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by britishbandit

Well that really is none of your business. Damn, no wonder you've been banned from so many other sites, you are truly ignorant. You should know full well everything that happened concerning the pups, you were a member of ROL and saw all of my posts and concerns. And like you are doing here, you caused problems there too with your bad attitude and got the boot. Put it this way, I didn't even break even on the costs of raising the litter. Now go crawl back into the hole you came from.

Oh someone is touchy. I am not sure you should be a dog owner. I hope you don't have this temper with your dogs. I didn't follow your threads on ROL. I forgot it was you if you really want to know. I thought the person with 11 pups was a real breeder.

As far as this thread goes... I've meet a lot of people and know that many many people have hidden agendas. I am not saying that is the case with you. But it is pretty odd that someone is pro fixing their dogs and not getting a dog unless you have the money has two unfixed dogs that happen to breed at the time you have no money. 1000 bucks for a rottweiler times 10 can pay some bills.

As far as ROL, me and a mod got in a disagreement in PM's. The rule over there is you HAVE to respect a mod just because they are a mod. If they disrespect you aren't allowed to say anything. I don't agree with that and of course they have ban button. What other forums am I banned from

You say I have a bad attitude because I don't agree with you. If that's how it works then you have a bad attitude also. The point of an open forum is to get all of the options out there not to tell them to "get real".

britishbandit · 02-15-2007, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FranMan

Oh someone is touchy. I am not sure you should be a dog owner. I hope you don't have this temper with your dogs. I didn't follow your threads on ROL. I forgot it was you if you really want to know. I thought the person with 11 pups was a real breeder.

Maybe if you actually took the time to read posts, you would have know the situation. Point is, you only read what you want to read, and hear what you want to hear......the rest is just over your head.

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Originally Posted by FranMan

As far as this thread goes... I've meet a lot of people and know that many many people have hidden agendas. I am not saying that is the case with you. But it is pretty odd that someone is pro fixing their dogs and not getting a dog unless you have the money has two unfixed dogs that happen to breed at the time you have no money. 1000 bucks for a rottweiler times 10 can pay some bills.

Maybe so, but I have no hidden agendas. Would you like to see a copy of Tysa's spay certificate? HAHA I never said I had no money when the pups were born, I didn't at the time she got pregnant, and as stated many times before, this didn't happen in my home, and I did not know she was pregnant. You also would have known Tysa was delayed being spayed earlier because I had a surgery myself, and PJ was not neutered because he was going to be shown. As for $1000/pup, I never asked anything EVEN CLOSE to that much, you are truly deluded. I am also refunding spay/neuter fees once proof is given. As for what I did charge for the pups, it was HALF of what YOU THINK.

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Originally Posted by FranMan

As far as ROL, me and a mod got in a disagreement in PM's. The rule over there is you HAVE to respect a mod just because they are a mod. If they disrespect you aren't allowed to say anything. I don't agree with that and of course they have ban button. What other forums am I banned from

No, you can disagree with the mods, but when you say stupid stuff, get warned and then continue to press the issue (sound familiar?), that's why you get banned. From what I hear you were banned from rott.net also. You don't have a very loyal following do you? I wonder why..

...HAHA.

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Originally Posted by FranMan

You say I have a bad attitude because I don't agree with you. If that's how it works then you have a bad attitude also. The point of an open forum is to get all of the options out there not to tell them to "get real".

No, I am fine with people disagreeing with me, you however are not. The only reason you starting this little arguement (troll), is because I disagreed with you telling someone to use a prong collar on a 5 month old dog, and a shock collar on a Pointer for grabbing food off a counter. You are trying to find some way to get back at me (maybe you think I made you look bad), which isn't working for ya is it? LOL

Keep it up, I'm sure it's only a matter of time before your true self is show and you are banned from here also.

FranMan · 02-15-2007, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by britishbandit

Maybe if you actually took the time to read posts, you would have know the situation. Point is, you only read what you want to read, and hear what you want to hear......the rest is just over your head.

I read your post. Doesn't mean I buy in to it 100%.

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Originally Posted by britishbandit

Maybe so, but I have no hidden agendas. Would you like to see a copy of Tysa's spay certificate? HAHA I never said I had no money when the pups were born, I didn't at the time she got pregnant,

Here is what you said "Point being, surviving was hard enough as it was, so the cost of a spay was just out of the question." You at the time did you know you were going to get back pay????

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Originally Posted by britishbandit

No, you can disagree with the mods, but when you say stupid stuff, get warned and then continue to press the issue (sound familiar?), that's why you get banned. From what I hear you were banned from rott.net also. You don't have a very loyal following do you? I wonder why..

...HAHA.

That doesn't sound familiar. I said very little on ROL. Me and nutz4rots got in to in PM. He didn't like the size of my pictures and PM'ed right after I disagreed about avatar size. Told me I had to resize images, which is fine. He got upset when I asked him why out of the blue it is was problem and not the months before while I was posting them. That upset him in which I was told I had to respect him because he was a mod. It was down hill from there. Of course when I was told I HAD to respect him I knew the site wasn't for me. I am sure the PM's are still in my box over there have the real admin of their forward them to you.

As for rottweiler.net I am not banned from there. That site is horrible though. They filter all your posts. If they don't agree with it they don't approve the post. A site that filters what is said based on their personal opinion is worthless. Freedom of speech is valuable.

As far as my loyal following. I own a couple forums totaling thousands of members. I'd say it is about 50/50 on if they like me

All my members are treated fair tho....

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No, I am fine with people disagreeing with me, you however are not. The only reason you starting this little arguement (troll), is because I disagreed with you telling someone to use a prong collar on a 5 month old dog, and a shock collar on a Pointer for grabbing food off a counter. You are trying to find some way to get back at me (maybe you think I made you look bad), which isn't working for ya is it? LOL

Now the name calling? Debate drives discussion and I am always learning from it. I don't mind being wrong. If I am wrong I'd like to know about it. The problem is when people say I am wrong but don't have any reason why.

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Keep it up, I'm sure it's only a matter of time before your true self is show and you are banned from here also.

As long as the mods are like Curbside Prophet I don't think there will be a problem. While CP and I don't see eye to eye he doesn't ride on the power trip roller coaster. Nothing I say is out of line it is just an opinion.

You did answer my question. If you are really breaking even on the puppies I can respect that you truly had in accident. I've been wondering for a while after reading your post.

britishbandit · 02-15-2007, 03:47 PM

That's fine, you can believe whatever you want to believe. I have nothing to hide here. I've answered anything asked of me, and with complete honesty. I have no reason to lie to a bunch of people I don't know. As for the "name calling", a troll is classified as someone trying to cause problems, flame, pick fights. Which is exactly what you are (or were) trying to do. I don't think it is name calling when when it's the truth though.

You must also remember that a litter of pups isn't raised with peanuts. There is money spent, and since not all of the pups left at 8 weeks, there was additional shots, 2nd and 3rd to be done, vet checks, another deworming (to be safe), larger collars, more food, extra crate and no I did not try to "get more" money for pups that I had spent more on. As I said, I did not even break even covering the costs of having the litter, not by a mile.

bearlasmom · 02-15-2007, 09:45 PM

CAnt we all just get along, lmao

Look ya all, i would love to hear how mom and babies are doing and hopefully i am not upsetting anyone by saying it doesnt matter why someone gets banned from other forums. Sometimes one gets banned for telling other posters taht they should not bash people becuase they come from a sexual gender that a fellow poster did not like or telling someone from a different religious background thatt they are a heathen is wrong. I had been banned from seefido.com because i jumped in aide of posters who were being attacked for asking questions on breeding their dogs and certain others on the forum did not like people breeding period but they were alleged breeders themselves. I also went to the resuce of a person whose sexual preference went under attack because they said they like male dogs not female. and another i backed up because i told them religion was for the religious forum. i pulled out a substantial sized order for supplies from seefido and guess what? banned within seconds. i am glad though because i love this forum and another one that i have been on that specializes in GSD for a long long time. This one i love because the people are truely loving of their dogs. Thank you all now that i have that off my chest.

So how are the babies and mom anyway? PICS!!!!!!!

britishbandit · 02-16-2007, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bearlasmom

So how are the babies and mom anyway? PICS!!!!!!!

Are you asking me or the OP? LOL Well if it's me, Tysa is doing wonderful, she was spayed on December 20th, and healed fairly quickly. She's put her weight back on and back to being my spunky and active gal. I kept one of the pups (Maya), and she's very much a daddy's girl. PJ is such a big softy, and totally adores his daughter.

The pups are all doing awesome, I keep in touch with all the new owners and we set up play dates every couple of weeks. Usually only 2 or 3 of the pups at one time, as not everyone can get out at the same time, same days. They are all enrolled in puppy classes (which was part of their contracts), and are coming along well. I have yet another playdate set up for Saturday, where I'll get to see how Lola and Max are doing.

You can see pics of the pups that I took up until they left, and some of after they left on our playdates on my photobucket account.
http://s37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...dit/?start=all

FranMan · 02-16-2007, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by britishbandit

Are you asking me or the OP? LOL Well if it's me, Tysa is doing wonderful, she was spayed on December 20th, and healed fairly quickly. She's put her weight back on and back to being my spunky and active gal. I kept one of the pups (Maya), and she's very much a daddy's girl. PJ is such a big softy, and totally adores his daughter.

The pups are all doing awesome, I keep in touch with all the new owners and we set up play dates every couple of weeks. Usually only 2 or 3 of the pups at one time, as not everyone can get out at the same time, same days. They are all enrolled in puppy classes (which was part of their contracts), and are coming along well. I have yet another playdate set up for Saturday, where I'll get to see how Lola and Max are doing.

You can see pics of the pups that I took up until they left, and some of after they left on our playdates on my photobucket account.
http://s37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...dit/?start=all

Is that you in the pictures?

britishbandit · 02-16-2007, 09:22 AM

I am in some of them yes. Some have friends, friends daughter, and my mother and her friend are in one also.

Tess&Coco · 02-16-2007, 09:43 AM

The photos are wonderful. They speak volumes of the dedication and care that you and your family/friends etc took of the puppies (and of course Tysa and PJ) regardless of how they came into being. An example of how to turn a potentially bad situation into something positive. It was not your irresponsibility that caused your dogs to breed, but it *was* your responsibility that meant the outcome was 11 well loved and cared for dogs.

FranMan · 02-16-2007, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by britishbandit

I am in some of them yes. Some have friends, friends daughter, and my mother and her friend are in one also.

So that's what you look like

http://s37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...&current=c.jpg

Tess&Coco · 02-16-2007, 09:56 AM

Didn't Britishbandit say somewhere that she's a she??? It's that chromosome thing again, FranMan

Tamara · 02-16-2007, 09:59 AM

Anyway Lady Britishbandit your dogs are gorgeous and Tysa's pups are bouncing beauties

FranMan · 02-16-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Tess&Coco

Didn't Britishbandit say somewhere that she's a she??? It's that chromosome thing again, FranMan