Pug with mange

PugLover71

My 1 year old female Pug ( Diva ) was diagnosed with demodectic mange. ( generalized ). The vet had her on Prednisone, Flucanizole, Ivomec, And Pyoben shampoo. The vet told me that Diva should be fixed as soon as she is cured. ( which I agree ). Now for the problem ( ok worse problem) :
Diva was in heat. She still wanted nothing to do with my boy Pug ( Pugly ). So i was keeping them apart. One was always put in a bedroom while other one roamed free. I switched them off. Well went to store and gone for no more then 20 mins when I get a phone call from my son screaming that he let the dogs together ( cause they missed eachother), he was screaming that they were now "stuck togther by the butt". Well I am not sure if she is actually pregnant or not as it was only one time they got locked.
But was worried about giving her the meds the vet had her on "just in case". I called the vet and she told me to take her off everything except the shampoo. Well she told me nothing else I could do that woudl help her. ( she doesnt seem to be itching anymore, But still has quite a few bald patches.
I am now giving her the shampoo plus givng her a daily vitamin and Brewers Yeast. Plus i have a bottle of Benzol Perozide ( zit wash ) and rubbing it on her bad areas.

Can anyone reccomend anything else I can do for her to get her better. The vet said she wont know if she is really pregnant for quite some time and I dont want anything that might hurt puppies if she is.

I know this is all my fault, just want good advice from ppl who can help.

Thank you in advance for any replys

cshellenberger

See if the vet will go ahead and spay, that's the only way you can get her back on the meds. You might also look at the health food stores and see if any in your area carry NEEM OIL, if not it can be ordered online, it's safe and is an effective miticide.

PugLover71

Spaying would be an option if it wasnt for the fact that she may already be pregnant. And that wont be known for quite some time. Until then i am using alot of different things that seem to be safe in case she is pregnant.

Actually the itching has totally stopped. The smell has gone away. Her hair seems to be alot softer and I am even seeing some new hair growth in the bald spots.

I have never heard of neem oil but i will certainly check into it. I have just started putting aloe vera gel on her today. I think she likes all the attention and rubbing down she is getting. It is just very hard to keep my boy pug from licking it all off her.

agility collie mom

Check with your vet. A lot of vets will still spay and dog as long as it is early in the pregnancy. The surgery is a little more complicated but, it can be done.

cshellenberger

A spay can be done on a pregnant bitch. It would certainly be better than her passing the Demodex mite to her pups and any other health problems to her pups, not tometion that a bitch should NEVER have pups before two years old, it's like a 12 year old having a baby

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Willowy

A pregnant spay is much safer than allowing her to have the pups. She's too young, possibly will not care for the puppies (common in young bitches), and stands a high chance of needing a c-section ($$$$), plus I would not want to risk having her pass on the demodex to her pups. That wouldn't be fair to them. Ask your vet about spaying her ASAP. If he doesn't like to do pregnant spays, you can call around to ask other vets.

If you choose to allow her to have the pups, you'll need to keep the emergency vet's number close by, and have all the proper equipment on hand in case you have to bottle-feed the puppies. Pugs almost always need c-sections, so you'd have to talk to your vet about the right time to schedule that, or if you want her to go into labor first (which is more risky). I'd have her spayed.

PugLover71

I thank you all for your input. But i am not goign to be haivng her spayed now while not knowing if she is pregnant or not. I do not beleive in aborting pups just in case something may go wrong as i feel that is the case in every dogs pregnancy. ( something can always go wrong) I know alot of critiics out there will have something to say about that.

Spaying while pregnant is just another word for abortion and I do not believe in that for people nor animals. Plus that kind of surgery while in her condition could be just as risky as going thru with a pregnancy.

She will be spayed once she is either found to not be pregnant or if she is then once i am able to after she has pups.

Willowy

I don't believe in abortion for humans, but the difference between dogs and humans is that most unwanted humans will not be killed after being born, but, statistically, 50% of puppies born WILL be dead before their first birthday, most of them put to sleep at the local shelter. And, when aborted, they are anesthetized, so they don't suffer, but if they're killed after they're born, they will suffer. So I do think it's best to abort the pups if they're unwanted. And it is slightly riskier to allow her to have the pups than it is to spay her while pregnant, although, you are right, a pregnant spay is somewhat riskier than a normal spay. But, of course, this is a decision only YOU can make.

So, now that you've officially become a breeder, you need to educate yourself on the process as much as possible. First, contact your vet. A lot of vets are not terribly knowlegeable about reproductive issues, but it's a good place to start. If you got the dogs from a breeder, contact the breeder. He/she should be able to help you with the whole thing. Like I said earlier, keep the emergency vet's phone number close by. A lot of things can go wrong. Get all the stuff you'll need in order to bottle-feed, just in case.

And you'll need to screen the puppy buyers carefully, so that your pups do not end up being put to sleep because their new owners don't care enough to train them properly. If you contact a Pug rescue or a good Pug breeder, they might be able to give you the standard buyer's contract, with a spay/neuter clause written in, and they can also teach you how to check references from potential buyers. Responsible breeding/re-homing is difficult, but it's worth making the effort so your puppies don't end up dead.

Oh---is the father dog the bitch's brother? If so, the pups may have extra issues. Just a heads-up. And, like I said before, Pugs frequently have trouble with natural births, so you can expect a c-section. Dogs are pregnant for 63 days, so, since you know the day they mated, you should be able to calculate her due date.

PugLover71

First off let me say No they are not related in any way. Both are registered dogs. And they came from homes over 100 miles apart. She is AKC and he is ACA. So the pups will be ACA.

Second: Ler me say while these pups may not have come at the best time, THEY ARE NOT UNWANTED !!!

Third: I have had dogs who have given birth to healthy live pups in the past.( quite a while ago). Yes i know this does not make me an expert, but i do know kind of what to expect. Although we all know the unexpected can and will happen in most cases. ( even with the most healthiest bitches). The vet which I use has a clinic 2 minutes from my house and she lives about 10 minutes from there. They offer 24 hour emergency care if needed. So I will have help in case of emergency. ...... While I do not have the emergency kit yet, that willcome as i found a list off a site that seemed to list everything possibly needed.

Fourth: These puppies would not just go to anyone. Firstly I would charge for the puppies, Not for the money but hopefully someone who has to pay a few hundred for a puppy will be more caring about getting care for it and take the time to train it. Puppies will have their shots and be wormed, an info pack ( like the one I got when I got my pugs) will be sent with each new owner.

Fifth: I had marked on the calandar the date they locked. Diva will be visiting the vet regularly to have her checked over. An ultrasound will be performed when it is time.




For an update on Diva. She is about 75 % better then what she was just 2 weeks ago. The oder from her has gone away. ( except for the neem oil I apply to her). Her hair has grown back in. Almost all the balding spots are either covered fully or new growth can be seen.

She is sort of a chubby little pug, ( not too overweight, but still a little chubby). She is back to her same old wild crazy self. I can just tell she feels completly better. She does not itch at all nor does she appear to be sleepy like she had in past.

I am continueing to treat her like I had been : Neem Oil mixed with oatmeal bath shampoo, Medicated shampoo from vet, Brewers Yeast tablets, MultiVitamin Tablet, Aloe Vera Gel rubbed on her about every 3 days. PLUS TONS OF LOVINGS FROM WHOLEFAMILY.

Willowy

This is sadly not the case. I could tell you about the Lab pup one guy (our next-door neighbor's cleaning lady's ex-husband......this is the main reason he was an "ex") paid $400 for, and a week after he got it, the pup jumped up and scratched his truck, so he shot the puppy . Or about the family that paid $600 for a Miniature Poodle puppy for their 5-year-old son, and they just gave her away free (to a friend of mine) after 2 weeks because "he didn't take care of her". And shelter workers could point you to many, MANY dogs whose former owners paid hundreds of doallr for, but they still didn't bother to train the dog, or care properly for it. Anyway, the point is that no matter how much you charge, you still need to screen the prospective buyers VERY carefully. Call their vets, call their personal references, etc. The world is a different place than it was 20 years ago, or even 10 years ago. You can't be too careful.

I'm glad to hear that your Diva's skin condition is clearing up! It sounds like you've got it under control. I've heard that Demodex is very hard to get rid of.

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