Pregnant dog

Shalva · 11-20-2007, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mastiffmama27

LOL my grandbabies are going to be born in the middle of MY bed because Mama refuses to leave that spot. Cold dog house indeed (harumpfff). Anyone want to help me think of names for the little ones?

ahhhhhhh never jinx a whelping
lets not even think of names until the puppies are born and healthy..... and mom is happy content and nursing........

call me superstitious but ......

oh yeah and call your vet if you don't have an ER clinic around.... just let them know what is going on.....

I am assuming you have all the stuff you need.
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mastiffmama27 · 11-20-2007, 08:05 AM

Yep I think I have everything.
Already called the vet.
She doesn't anticipate any problems.
Just waiting and watching.

ACampbell · 11-20-2007, 06:16 PM

Any pups yet? I'm anxious to hear about the new babies! Since I wont' ever have puppies in my house (I have 2 male dogs, so yeah, unless there's something I don't know about here) and I LOVE puppies to death...can't wait to hear the good news about the new little ones!

mastiffmama27 · 11-20-2007, 06:40 PM

Nope not yet. We had a bit of excitement here last night (prowler) and she got really upset. I don't know if they can 'suspend operations' like a cat can but.She's still really clingy. Problem is that I really have no idea how far along she is just that it is for sure over a month. She has a bit of milk in her teats so it can't be too far off just pinpointing exactly when is hard. So I will continue to keep a close watch on her I guess.

ACampbell · 11-20-2007, 09:12 PM

I've known horses that could "suspend" labor because of being uncomfortable. We had one mare every time she'd foal we'd try to keep a close watch on her (she had foaling trouble on her first one, she got worn out too early and we ended up pulling the foal) and she would be in hard labor, if you came up to check on her, she'd get up like nothing was going on...then next time you come to check on her there'd be a baby on the ground. Lots of our mares would do things like that, I think it's a self preservation thing, since animals are vulnerable during birth and their babies as well...maybe if they feel uncomfortable they can kind of "hold off" until they feel safe.

mastiffmama27 · 11-23-2007, 04:51 PM

puppies were stillborn. Vet says Mama will be fine but keep an eye on her. Spay in about 2-4 weeks.

digits mama · 11-23-2007, 05:02 PM

Sorry Mastiffmama....You did good though.

mastiffmama27 · 11-23-2007, 05:06 PM

Ty digit. It was probably inevetable. Mama was so sick when she came and with all the medications and treatments she had to go through it was too much for the pups. It would have taken even more out of her to nurse them (although I was ready to help with botttlefeeding if needed.

Maybe she'll 'adopt' the baby that's coming tomorrow. Poor thing is going to need all the love he can get.

mastiffmama27 · 11-30-2007, 08:04 PM

OK Mama had two pups that were stillborn and vet says that she is still pregnant????? Anyone ever hear of this before??? This is a totally new one to me and I can't find any info on this anywhere? Help please! Is there any chance that the remaning pups will survive? I feel like a total newbie here.

Shalva · 11-30-2007, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mastiffmama27

OK Mama had two pups that were stillborn and vet says that she is still pregnant????? Anyone ever hear of this before??? This is a totally new one to me and I can't find any info on this anywhere? Help please! Is there any chance that the remaning pups will survive? I feel like a total newbie here.

I have heard of this but have no experience with it. maybe someone else does 007 or wabana perhaps
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mastiffmama27 · 11-30-2007, 08:14 PM

Thanks Shalva. I'm totally clueless here. I've heard of dogs having litters with more than one sire but not having pups at different gestational ages. She seems to be feeling ok, eating ect. The vet said that she had heard of this but never seen it as well. Does anyone know what I should do for Mama? She has been unusually clingy....I attributed it to the loss of her pups but now I'm not sure??

Shalva · 11-30-2007, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mastiffmama27

Thanks Shalva. I'm totally clueless here. I've heard of dogs having litters with more than one sire but not having pups at different gestational ages. She seems to be feeling ok, eating ect. The vet said that she had heard of this but never seen it as well. Does anyone know what I should do for Mama? She has been unusually clingy....I attributed it to the loss of her pups but now I'm not sure??

I doubt that her stillborn pups were fully developed I dont think you have different gestational ages I think what you have is puppies that were spontaneously aborted from just ONE of the uterine horns and puppies that may or may not be alive in the other.

I don't believe that they are different ages.
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mastiffmama27 · 11-30-2007, 08:21 PM

OK thanks that makes sense. Just totally flabberghasted here. From the X-rays it looks like we have two pups still.

ACampbell · 12-01-2007, 01:50 AM

The aborted stillborns were probably natures way of disposing of potentially harmful material...aka a dead fetus retained can be deadly. So are the pups she still has viable or are they retained? How long has it been between the still borns and finding out she's still pregnant?
I agree with Shalva on this one, sounds like she just aborted the dead puppies and hasn't passed the others yet whether they are viable or not.
I've heard of humans passing a dead twin and having a completely normal baby afterwards (though it is rare) but it's usually early on in the pregnancy and the aborted fetus is usually nowhere near a viable age. (usually before 20 weeks in a human) so I'm guessing it's completely possible!

wabanafcr · 12-01-2007, 07:10 AM

I agree with Shalva and AC. I do think that gestational age is the same--dogs ovulate all at once, not days apart, and pups that are runts or born much smaller than the others usually have had something go wrong in the uterus--I think the most common factor in a very small pup is simply poor placental placement.

I would bet that she expelled the puppies from one uterine horn.

Can you tell if she is close to whelping the other two?

mastiffmama27 · 12-01-2007, 10:23 AM

We're not sure if the ramaining pups are viable or not. The vet said to just watch her as long as she is acting ok and is still eating ect.

I'm not totally sure if she is close to whelping or not. She's had milk in her teats for over a week now but that could be due to the early delivery of the stillborns....no idea I'm afraid.

As of today it's been 8 days since she aborted the other two.

wabanafcr · 12-01-2007, 10:38 AM

Does she have any discharge from her vulva?

007Dogs · 12-01-2007, 11:04 AM

Yes, while dogs to ovualate all at once, not all eggs fertilize or implant all at once. Thus the difference in time frames. They have discovered sperm has live 72 hours or longer in the female.

I have had dogs have 3 or 4 pups and 48 hours later have another healty pups. I normally chalked it up to the fact my dogs are small, and it takes the uterus time to shrink down enough to expel that last puppy.

I have a tiny little female, who gave birth to 5 healthy beautiful babies on a Sunday. On Tuesday, I noticed something going on with mom. Seemed she was pushing. I figured retained placenta. So I gave her 1cc of Oxytocin. Waited 45 minutes, nothing. Gave her another cc or Oxy, and waited 20 minutes. That was all the time it took, for the smell to become awful. I called the vet to let them know what was going on, and they we were on our way in. The smell was from a dead puppy. When they detact and die the womb, they fill with gases and will ruputure. Had I not known this smell, it could have been certain death for my little girl. Seems the remaining pup was breech with his little legs tucked up under him, so there was no way he was coming out on his own. Had I not put off the first X-ray, this might have been prevented. But not always the case, we have had puppies that did not show up via an X-ray. So we just have to make sure to pay attention to things that do not seem right, and go with that feeling. If you think there is a problem, no mater what time, day or night, pick up the phone and call the vet. Don't feel like you are over reacting. Best to be safe.

I agree with just watching her for now. Now I would continue to take temps and be watching for a elevated temp. As long as she is eating and drinking. But I personally would ask the vet to start her on a round of Amoxicillin. Just incase the first two pups left something behind. I am surprised this was not done as soon as you discovered there were still pups in there. If she was to get an infection, then the other remaining pups could be compromized.

mastiffmama27 · 12-01-2007, 07:19 PM

No discharge.

Temp 100.5

Taking her back in for a recheck on Tues.

Also (if anyone was worried about this) Elijha is getting neutered on Tues also.